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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2017.03.04 19:53:25 -
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Soel Reit wrote: specially if you hit approach with a taranis against a nado *boom! headshot! oneshotted*
An artillery fit ship (especially LARGE artillery) cannot hit a frigate if the frigate knows what he is doing. But approach the 'nado, by all means. For some reason they usually end up running from me. Or they die if I get in tackle range. |

Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.04 20:00:38 -
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Ptraci wrote:Soel Reit wrote: specially if you hit approach with a taranis against a nado *boom! headshot! oneshotted*
An artillery fit ship (especially LARGE artillery) cannot hit a frigate if the frigate knows what he is doing. But approach the 'nado, by all means. For some reason they usually end up running from me. Or they die if I get in tackle range.
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Amojin
Entropic Synergies Research
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Posted - 2017.03.04 20:05:27 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What is this fair that the OP speaks of?
A rather antiquated ethical view once shared by a great many people. You can still see images of their great deeds of combat on artful pottery, coins, and frescoes of the ancient world. As civilization advanced, however, and weaponry became more deadly, and you could annihilate first 10 enemies, with a new technology, people realized that their ethics would have to be someone blunted. Then came 100 people, and a thousand, and tens of thousands, the societies creating those weapons wanting to use them, a further erosion occurred.
You can see in their surviving documents, a shift from 'this is right and good,' to more of a 'this is so much power, and so efficient' stance. As they enriched themselves, physically, however, there was a notable drop off in the complexity of their culture. Why bother culturing methods of peaceful interaction, when you can just push a button and annihilate them?
Clearly, the OP is from one of these less advanced cultures, and should be annihilated?
Hmm, that sounds like something Daniel Jackson would say on SG-1... Oh well, I liked him. |

Charley Varrick
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.04 20:57:27 -
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I gotta ask...What exactly makes a main your main? The toon you spend the most time on? The one with the most skill points? Most ISK? The one you designed to look like your real self? |

Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.04 20:59:02 -
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the only character you have? 
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Amojin
Entropic Synergies Research
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Posted - 2017.03.04 20:59:31 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:I gotta ask...What exactly makes a main your main? The toon you spend the most time on? The one with the most skill points? Most ISK? The one you designed to look like your real self?
Everyone will have a different answer for that. For me, it's the one that is easiest for me to play, without thinking, what WOULD this toon do? For me, it's this one, that does resemble me, and has skills and goals that match what I would actually have, were this space-game a real thing. But, your mileage may differ, as they say. |

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2017.03.05 04:53:47 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:I gotta ask...What exactly makes a main your main? The toon you spend the most time on? The one with the most skill points? Most ISK? The one you designed to look like your real self?
the one with the beard.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.03.05 07:25:32 -
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Cherry Sulphate wrote:you know when you're winning a fair fight and some teet suckling ****** warps in an alt? please see thread title and lash on.
Welcome to war, nobody promised you a fair fight 
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:06:48 -
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A fair fight can only result in stalemate.
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:15:49 -
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If you want safe spaces, go be a SISI. |

Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:18:31 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:A fair fight can only result in stalemate. Huh? |

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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:26:37 -
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Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:A fair fight can only result in stalemate. Huh? The only fair fight, would be two identical entities fighting in a system of exactly equal circumstances.
This will result in an endless fight if not restricted by time or other resource limitations.(stalemate) If resources are finite, though one side or the other will win each time, the average will remain a perpetual 1:1 win/loss ratio for both sides. (Stalemate)
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:38:04 -
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Winning/losing is the result of unequal qualities/quantities between two participants.
Thus unfairness is infact that which decides whom wins/lose, as skewing the balance which in a fair fight will otherwise lead to stalemate.
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Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:43:22 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:A fair fight can only result in stalemate. Huh? The only fair fight, would be two identical entities fighting in a system of exactly equal circumstances. This will result in an endless fight if not restricted by time or other resource limitations.(stalemate) If resources are finite, though one side or the other will win each time, the average will remain a perpetual 1:1 win/loss ratio for both sides. (Stalemate) Lol. You're joking. Surely. Please tell me you're joking. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:47:19 -
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Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:A fair fight can only result in stalemate. Huh? The only fair fight, would be two identical entities fighting in a system of exactly equal circumstances. This will result in an endless fight if not restricted by time or other resource limitations.(stalemate) If resources are finite, though one side or the other will win each time, the average will remain a perpetual 1:1 win/loss ratio for both sides. (Stalemate) Lol. You're joking. Surely. Please tell me you're joking. Joking?
How? Explain.
No. Im not joking.
If I beat you in arm wrestling, its cos i had qualities/quantities greater than yours.
The fight was never fair to begin with.
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Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.05 08:59:34 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:A fair fight can only result in stalemate. Huh? The only fair fight, would be two identical entities fighting in a system of exactly equal circumstances. This will result in an endless fight if not restricted by time or other resource limitations.(stalemate) If resources are finite, though one side or the other will win each time, the average will remain a perpetual 1:1 win/loss ratio for both sides. (Stalemate) Lol. You're joking. Surely. Please tell me you're joking. Joking? How? Explain. No. Im not joking. If I beat you in arm wrestling, its cos i had qualities/quantities greater than yours. The fight was never fair to begin with. If we had equal qualities/quanities (ie: fair) neither of us coyld win, resulting in stalemate. Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's defined by honesty/integrity/impartiality/lack of favouritism.
In game, as used by the OP, it is seen as not blobbing people, sticking to 1v1 committments, equal numbers (not equal abilities) of opposing fleets.
Fairness certainly doesn't mean only stalemate. That's ridiculous. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 09:18:28 -
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Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's defined by honesty/integrity/impartiality/lack of favouritism.
In game, as used by the OP, it is seen as not blobbing people, sticking to 1v1 committments, equal numbers (not equal abilities) of opposing fleets.
Fairness certainly doesn't mean only stalemate. That's ridiculous.
There is no perfect equality of skill in EVE. Fairness is not defined by honesty/interity/impartiality/fsvoritism, except as qualities/quantities you or you oppent have, or do nor have.
The fight would only be fair if you and the opponent are identical.
You are confusing fairness to be a moral measure, which is subjective value, to fairness in who wins, which is an objective measur of unfairness.
Honesty, integrity, etc will not help you win a fight. Otherwise, it would be so that if I am more honest than everyone in EVE,I would win every spaceship fight with the sheer power of my honesty.
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Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.05 09:24:05 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's defined by honesty/integrity/impartiality/lack of favouritism.
In game, as used by the OP, it is seen as not blobbing people, sticking to 1v1 committments, equal numbers (not equal abilities) of opposing fleets.
Fairness certainly doesn't mean only stalemate. That's ridiculous.
There is no perfect equality of skill in EVE. Fairness is not defined by honesty/interity/impartiality/fsvoritism, except as qualities/quantities you or you oppent have, or do nor have. The fight would only be fair if you and the opponent are identical. You are confusing fairness to be a moral measure, which is subjective value, to fairness in who wins, which is an objective measur of unfairness. Honesty, integrity, etc will not help you win a fight. Otherwise, it would be so that if I am more honest than everyone in EVE,I would win every spaceship fight with the sheer power of my honesty. I guess English isn't your first language. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 09:40:15 -
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Alpha CEO wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's defined by honesty/integrity/impartiality/lack of favouritism.
In game, as used by the OP, it is seen as not blobbing people, sticking to 1v1 committments, equal numbers (not equal abilities) of opposing fleets.
Fairness certainly doesn't mean only stalemate. That's ridiculous.
There is no perfect equality of skill in EVE. Fairness is not defined by honesty/interity/impartiality/fsvoritism, except as qualities/quantities you or you oppent have, or do nor have. The fight would only be fair if you and the opponent are identical. You are confusing fairness to be a moral measure, which is subjective value, to fairness in who wins, which is an objective measur of unfairness. Honesty, integrity, etc will not help you win a fight. Otherwise, it would be so that if I am more honest than everyone in EVE,I would win every spaceship fight with the sheer power of my honesty. I guess English isn't your first language.
Fairness doent mean what you think it means.
You arguments dont mean what you think they mean.
Unfairness in the qualities/quantities between two opponents is what decides the winner from the loser.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2017.03.05 09:47:18 -
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fairness -êf+¢-Én+Ös/ noun noun: fairness
1. impartial and just treatment or behaviour without favouritism or discrimination. |

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.05 09:55:14 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Fairness doent mean what you think it means.
You arguments dont mean what you think they mean.
Unfairness in the qualities/quantities between two opponents is what decides the winner from the loser.
Right back at you... Fairness doent mean what you think it means. While it is a definition. Though there are some consensus, about many definitions, they can vary from person to person. There are no universal definitions, there are only man made deifnitions, and they can mean different things for different people. The definition you want everyone to apply, is just amde by you. It is not universal, hence it is superstupid you keep making these kind of arguments.
You are not the universal judge of definitions, so just accept that you could be wrong in how you define things, and stop killing discussions by saying that arguments who don-¦t follow your logic and definitions are invalid.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:05:48 -
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He thinks EVE is unfair, cos all fights are unequal.
I think EVE is fair, cos all fights are unequal.
Make your choice.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:25:50 -
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While I'm all for One Sub One Account,.......and a long time ago so was CCP.......the simple math is that alts mean Mo Money for our Icelandic Overlords. Learn to deal, because it ain't ever changing.
Hell, I was surprised they banned IS boxing, tbh.
Guess a dev or GM got jumped once too often by a one man/20 alt stealth bomber fleet.
Would also explain why they nerfed my glorious bombs.
MAH BOMBS
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Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:48:50 -
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"Waaah, this was not a fair fight!"
"You have no honesty/integrity/honor! Thats whyi lost!"
"Fight my superior fit ship 1v1, you coward!"
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.05 11:38:28 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:What is this fair that the OP speaks of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bN99mPddNI |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
2060
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Posted - 2017.03.05 15:07:48 -
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Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's about how you treat people.
I see no people. I only see targets. Killmails waiting to happen. Maybe this is where you're going wrong. In warfare the first thing you do is dehumanize the enemy. It's the only way you can kill him and stay sane. |

Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.05 16:00:58 -
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FWIW, multi-boxing PvP is hard and gives you twice as much opportunity to screw up and lose more assets.
At least that's my experience trying it. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 17:31:59 -
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Ptraci wrote:Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's about how you treat people.
I see no people. I only see targets. In warfare the first thing you do is dehumanize the enemy. It's the only way you can kill him and stay sane.
This is not conducive to sanity.
The correct attitude in war, is you must kill them before they kill you, or those that fight with you, or those you are defending.
If you see people merely as targets in war, youve already lost your sanity.
When you dehumanize the enemy, you dehumanize yourself.
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Amojin
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Posted - 2017.03.05 17:46:10 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ptraci wrote:Alpha CEO wrote: Fairness is not defined by equality of skill, it's about how you treat people.
I see no people. I only see targets. In warfare the first thing you do is dehumanize the enemy. It's the only way you can kill him and stay sane. This is not conducive to sanity. The correct attitude in war, is you must kill them before they kill you, or those that fight with you, or those you are defending. If you see people merely as targets in war, youve already lost your sanity. When you dehumanize the enemy, you dehumanize yourself.
I have to disagree, here. While I'm no super-hero spec ops guy, I did have a humble role in the military as a low enlisted rank. You absolutely DO dehumanize your enemy. If you think about it too much, you will go insane. Especially when you're lobbing a grenade or using anything other than your M-16 to pick off a single target.
Any time you use a weapon that does 'area damage,' you are putting potential innocents at risk. We try to minimize that, but it does happen. You can't think about it. If you can wrap your mind around the idea, it's also best when you arrive in a combat zone, to assume you're ALREADY dead. Then you can take actions that you would not normally take, being even more aggressive, and potentially saving your life or the lives of the unit.
Hate to have to agree with 'Ms. DNA,' but in this case, she's right. |

Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.05 17:53:40 -
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Amojin wrote:You absolutely DO dehumanize your enemy. If you think about it too much, you will go insane. Especially when you're lobbing a grenade or using anything other than your M-16 to pick off a single target.
That's because you had lacking training to help you understand your purpose as a soldier.
This is not about death of innocents due to explosives or unjustified fire. Those aren't targets anyways. They are casualties of war. War is hell.
You dont need to dehumanize an enemy, inorder to kill them. Killing them before they kill you, your mates, or those you are defending, or when they impede your mission, are justification enough. None of which dehumanize the enemy, as people, which they are.
If you start dehumanizing people, that is when you will no longer care about lobbing a grenade into a household full of innocents. That is when you lose your sanity.
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