Yesterday I jumped out of my expensive implants and went on a public roam.
After the roam I got back into my implants asap for faster training.
That was the smartest thing I could do at the time.

Today, I heard there's another public fleet, I didn't know about it yesterday so couldn't plan ahead.
But there's a timer until I can clone jump again.
I've trained up the skills to reduce the timer, but it still means I can't go on today's roam without risking my expensive clone, and that's not worth it.

So I'm logging off for today.
Fun ruined because of implants.

I'll agree to disagree on +y sp/hr implants being a good thing, because I still see it as a pay wall, and one that stops them using implants that actually benefit their ship as well. But you are right that it is a middle ground if CCP are too worried about the impact on the LP market to actually remove them, and allows for removing the worst part of the problem (the attributes themselves)

OK, So I've been reading the link about Upwell Structures posted earlier. I don't mind admitting I didn't know about that, and having read it I still don't really get it. I'll try and explain my thoughts, and hopefully you won't just fling insults back...

the link again: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/209985225-Upwell-Structures-Quick-Facts

I'm assuming these things are Citadels, it doesn't actually say and I don't see how I'm supposed to know that. I don't know if all Citadels are Upwell, or if all Upwell are Citadels.

My experience of Citadels is in 0.0 and I've learnt they are dangerous, with odd tethering mechanics so I never really know what I'm dealing with and end up avoiding them altogether.

I don't know why they're even allowed in high sec. I'd be very worried about putting my stuff in someone else's structure. I've heard about people losing stuff and clones because of that.

The notes about cloning are:

Cloning Service

- The cost of installing a jump clones is set by the structure's owner.
- Jump clones and their implants are lost when a structure is destroyed or unanchored.
- If you jump clone to a clone you have at the Upwell structure you are currently located in, then you receive no activation delay to jump clone again.

So it sounds like someone can change the cost. Are there any restrictions on that, e.g. timers to stop them from 100x-ing the cost every few seconds?

I have no clue about how destroying or unanchoring Citadels works, what concord would do, how reinforcements work, do you have to declare war, what happens if they declare war on you, etc. I'm not planning on using or owning a Citadel so you don't need to explain it. But I do know that Citadels come and go, so it's not unusual for these things to happen.

It used to be that jumping to the same station would destroy one of your clones. So I really don't know what would happen if I jumped to the same location in a Citadel OR in a regular station. I really like the intent of this though -
to say if you're not travelling there's no timer, that's exactly what I want. I am really only trying to go from one station to another within the same system (I'd have them all in the same station if I could), and therefore there'd be no need for a timer to apply to me.

And just because you have ISK doesn't mean you should waste it. (same as RL money)

And well, that newbie just lost their clone when the perimeter market wars blew the citadel up as well.

And you don't see any problems here at all?

There's no timer if you jump between clones in the same citadel

I've never heard of this before.

So it's a citadel-specific function? Why can't I do that in a station?

So it's a citadel-specific function? Why can't I do that in a station?

I feel like removing attributes all together including attribute implants would appease 90% of the game. Just make everyone train at the same rate not implants.

I've decided to stop caring about training speed.

I'm not replacing implants on any of my characters once they get lost. I found myself worrying too much about training time and figured that since I can already fly stuff I'm happy using... I can afford to wait longer to move up to cooler toys in exchange for not worrying about what might be in my pod.

perhaps a year from now I'll be kicking myself... but I'm having more fun now.

I've heard a few ideas I think are better than the current system.

I had an idea but nobody liked it. Still, I think it would be highly effective relative to how easy it would be to implement:

Illegal pirate training implants. They are farmed entirely in nullsec but are common and much cheaper than the same legal types you get from empire space. These implants are illegal to take with you into empire space and if any customs agent finds them in your head, they'll be removed and you'll be docked some security status.

For extra flavor, they could each grant a tiny bonus and penalty, further explaining why they are illegal without giving them much room for use other than as attribute implants. Example: +1% shield hit points, -0.8% shield resists.

And consider those who do run missions for whatever reasons. No more implants may very well mean one less source of ISK for such players.