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Slightly Annoyed Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.29 16:50:00 - [1] Will someone explain to me the really nice feature the caldari as a race have to offset the fact that they could not solo a tin of baked beans... EWAR alone does not make a race it just means that you will be primary often. PVE is no compensation for having a race lousy at pvp. Who would want to switch to caldari? I would really appreciate some enthusiasm about caldari pvp right now and any advice would be nice...
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.29 16:59:00 - [2] Yeah, that's why I went Amarr...oh wait...
Kather Turbulent	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:00:00 - [3] i'm afraid caldari suck at pvp. so do amarr. mimitar are ok but don't do much damage and don't tank very well gallente are the only race that can pvp. i know all this not based on personal experience, but on what is said on the forums now, from personal experience, caldari are fine. alot of my old corp used caldari just fine. sure, theres no omgpwn solo ships, so fight in a gang. things they can do better than other races, well, sniping maybe? train t2 guns and laugh at everyone else as you shoot them from outside of there range avast, matey! Yarr old sig is too large, the maximum allowed filesize is 24,000 bytes. -Hango
Brastagi Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:01:00 - [4] Hmmm, are we talking about the race... or their ships? --------- Jaw dropping indicate the subject either amused or utterly shocked...
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:07:00 - [5] I love my caldari pvp ty. I fly a Rokh. A blaster rokh to be exact, a very expensive one. Its damage output is insane. To that point, i cannot do the tackling in it. I cannot move fast. How to overcome? Fly with a wingman in a ceptor. They go in first, lock down the person and give me a warp in point. Problem solved. Caldari are like everyone else. Just learn how to play your role. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Slightly Annoyed Who would want to switch to caldari? I did recently. (Although I'm trying other races' ships as well, but I'm tired of Gallente and I'm really liking the Caldari ships.) Gallente ships may have good close range power making for good solo ships, but with a few exceptions (Celestis, Ares, Myrmidon... ) they're freaking boring. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Joebarchuck Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Slightly Annoyed Will someone explain to me the really nice feature the caldari as a race have to offset the fact that they could not solo a tin of baked beans... EWAR alone does not make a race it just means that you will be primary often. PVE is no compensation for having a race lousy at pvp. Who would want to switch to caldari? I would really appreciate some enthusiasm about caldari pvp right now and any advice would be nice... This is ridiculous, with the right fitting a nighthawk can tank as well as Gallente ships. The thing is the duration of the tank and the DPS. To give an example, I am able with a Nighthawk to tank WorldCollide lvl 4, qualite 19 with both groups aggro me. My shield never goes down below 88% and I never warp out. The only issue there is the DPS.
Marquis Dean Energy. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:17:00 - [8] Just because something can't tackle and shieldtank doesn't mean it's bad at PvP. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Slightly Annoyed Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:21:00 - [9] This is ridiculous, with the right fitting a nighthawk can tank as well as Gallente ships. The thing is the duration of the tank and the DPS. To give an example, I am able with a Nighthawk to tank WorldCollide lvl 4, qualite 19 with both groups aggro me. My shield never goes down below 88% and I never warp out. The only issue there is the DPS. I am not interested in what u can do in pve as it is a world away from pvp. I do agree with you about the dps an think the whole problems is that missiles are terrible in pvp and have been nerfed into oblivion-Torps anyone?
Bad Borris Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Marquis Dean Just because something can't tackle and shieldtank doesn't mean it's bad at PvP. Add 'cant deal damage' to that list and you are about right imo.
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:25:00 - [11] Try Amarr
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:26:00 - [12] Caldari are fine for gang PvP, but like Amarr, when it comes to solo things start looking a little less good. But then again I hear that solo PvP sucks anyway. I wouldn't know, I fly Amarr --- ---
Marquis Dean Energy. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:26:00 - [13] Quote: Originally by: Slightly Annoyed This is ridiculous, with the right fitting a nighthawk can tank as well as Gallente ships. The thing is the duration of the tank and the DPS. To give an example, I am able with a Nighthawk to tank WorldCollide lvl 4, qualite 19 with both groups aggro me. My shield never goes down below 88% and I never warp out. The only issue there is the DPS. I am not interested in what u can do in pve as it is a world away from pvp. I do agree with you about the dps an think the whole problems is that missiles are terrible in pvp and have been nerfed into oblivion-Torps anyone? Whether or not you can tank a Lvl4 is immaterial to PvP. Get a clue. Originally by: Bad Borris Originally by: Marquis Dean Just because something can't tackle and shieldtank doesn't mean it's bad at PvP. Add 'cant deal damage' to that list and you are about right imo. Just get a clue. --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Scarlet X Caldari A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:28:00 - [14] and we cant forget that achura can start with the lowest charisma in the game (that's a nice thing)
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:30:00 - [15] Caldari ships are, as a general rule, shield tank ships, geared up to long range combat. This is useful in some situations. I don't think that anyone would dispute that the Raven's very good for running missions. However, 'most' PvP happens at shorter ranges - Around 20km, which is the sphere at which people decloak at gates, and the range of a warp disruptor. Now, the problem is, at this range, Caldari ships don't do so well. They have a 'long range' dps, which is, as rule, lower. Now, the other problem is that a shield tank is midslot intensive. Which means you can fit damage mods with impugnity - armour tankers have to trade tank and gank. But it also means you're trading off your tank, with speed, electronic warfare modules, and cap rechargers. Now, that's not to say they're bad ships, by any means, however I'd still not recommend flying a Caldari ship into PvP - a similarly experienced/skilled pilot in a different races ship will probably beat you. That said, if you're providing support for a gang, Caldari can be very helpful indeed. It may not seem like much, but ECM ships are very effective at increasing the overall power of a gang. The Rokh is a very skillpoint efficient way of getting a sniper. shrug In general though, I feel that Caldari are good 'newbie ships', but lose out at higher skill levels.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Scarlet X and we cant forget that achura can start with the lowest charisma in the game (that's a nice thing) That doesn't mean you have to train Caldari ship skills :)
Scarlet X Caldari A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:36:00 - [17] Originally by: James Lyrus That doesn't mean you have to train Caldari ship skills :) straight to the point! in fact i'm going to skill gallente's ship for some solo PVP but i will still use caldari's for PVE, we must face it: we can't have all
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Bad Borris Add 'cant deal damage' to that list and you are about right imo. And you are about as empty as my wallet after paying bills... Cant deal damage? Bahaha. Buddy. Ok let me add this up for you. my rokh. 8...Nuetron Blaster II's. Damage Modifier on them? 8. something. (Not logged in to check specifically). My rate of fire is also very quick. Granted i do not have the "Alpha" of a minnie arty strike... But the damage is constant. And considering im wrecking for around 1k...:) No damage? Hah. Caldari are middle ground. In the tradeoff between Dmg per hit/ rate of fire...caldari are right in the middle. Methinks someone hoped into caldari ship for first time and was upset. Try..to stick witjh it for a while, youll like it. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Bad Borris Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Vactet Originally by: Bad Borris Add 'cant deal damage' to that list and you are about right imo. And you are about as empty as my wallet after paying bills... Cant deal damage? Bahaha. Buddy. Ok let me add this up for you. my rokh. 8...Nuetron Blaster II's. Damage Modifier on them? 8. something. (Not logged in to check specifically). My rate of fire is also very quick. Granted i do not have the "Alpha" of a minnie arty strike... But the damage is constant. And considering im wrecking for around 1k...:) No damage? Hah. Caldari are middle ground. In the tradeoff between Dmg per hit/ rate of fire...caldari are right in the middle. Methinks someone hoped into caldari ship for first time and was upset. Try..to stick witjh it for a while, youll like it. I was referring more to missiles since many caldari ships are designed to be missile boats. I am aware of the blaster rokh and know that it is also amongst the best sniping ships in the game.
Chewan Mesa coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:46:00 - [20] I'm flying mostly Caldari, and I'm quite happy with it. Okay we dont have the most solo pvp ships, but if I want to solo pvp mainly I train another race. It would be totally boring if all 4 races can do the same things just as well.
Sabian Treehugger	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Sabian Treehugger on 29/04/2007 18:02:57 Caldari don't suck at pvp it's just that people and fleet commanders don't know how to use them. They have many middle slots for ewar and not just ecm but sensor dampners and tracking disrupters and can fit dmg mods without hurting the tank. It's just like with Might As well Train Another Race which is a nice thing to say to a pirate when you're in a pod
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:06:00 - [22] Valid point. Caldari dont do the solo thing all that well... But then again this is not a singleplayer game. Caldari are really suited, it seems, to small gang tactics. The small gang i usually fly with is as such. 1 Ceptor (Crow) 2 NosDomi's w/tackling (To take over ceptor's job so it can get to safety) 2 Blaster-Rokhs (warp in on domi's/ ceptor) 1 Rail-Rokh or Raven 6 Member gang..4 Caldari..2 Gallente. And to boris...you think the Rail rokh is nice? Try a rokh with a full rack of nuetron T2's. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Sean Dillon Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Sean Dillon on 29/04/2007 18:11:32 The problem with most caldari cruisers/battlecruisers and the scorpion/raven is that they have to use missiles for pvp. The big positive thing with missiles is that they let you choose the kind of damage you want to do against your oponent. Neg is that they need time to travel to their target. The big plus about all other races weapons is that they do instant damage. In pve that doesn't matter that much, and for combat around gates its also perfect to use missiles see how good the drake is at it. Its just over longer distances that the travel time becomes problematic, they need 10 secs to travel, whilst instant hit weapons of your gangmates kill the target before your missiles get there. Also the fact that caldari have to sacrafice mid slots for ewar modules and thus have less shield tanking and dont have enough low slots compared to other races to armor tank makes them less favorable. Makes ship with paper tank, although ewar is highly valuable.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:13:00 - [24] It's not just EW though (but the most potent force multipliers in the game are Caldari). If you get away from the idea of trying to solo, the Raven (this is just one example) is an awesome machine in a full Tank/Gank torpedo setup (FYI a fully spec'd Raven in this configuration will probably drive an equivalent Blasterthron off in flames unless the fight starts at 5km or less), you only need to look at the alliance championships to see itÆs effectiveness in small to medium engagements. Yes you don't have an equivalent of the Blasterthron, nor should you, because the game would become very boring very quickly if every race were essentially the same. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:30:00 - [25] I love killing gallentee... I practice alot on the test server to fine tune my setup and get really familiar with it. That said, i use exactly what i do on TQ, implant wise and gear wise (T2 where i can, T1 Named. No faction). Ive repeatedly ripped apart megathron's and the flying buttplug (Forget the name, sue me) at close range when they wanted to get into a blaster fight. Heres why.. Shields got a higher natural resist against hybrid rounds...Armor..not so much. My tank on my rokh is as such..well till i change it again.. 2 Invuln T2's. 1 Xlarge SB T2 1 Shield Boost Amp T2 1 Heavy Cap Booster T2 w/800's 1 Cap Recharger T2 my highs, depending on my mood.. are either 8 Nuetron Blaster T2's. Or 6 Nuetron Blaster T2's and 2 Heavy Dim's. Point is..in a close up fight...megathron/hyperion (I remembered) loose. Again, the one problem with the setup is the lack of catching you. Again..point of having a ceptor pilot as my wingman. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Bad Borris Originally by: Vactet Originally by: Bad Borris Add 'cant deal damage' to that list and you are about right imo. And you are about as empty as my wallet after paying bills... Cant deal damage? Bahaha. Buddy. Ok let me add this up for you. my rokh. 8...Nuetron Blaster II's. Damage Modifier on them? 8. something. (Not logged in to check specifically). My rate of fire is also very quick. Granted i do not have the "Alpha" of a minnie arty strike... But the damage is constant. And considering im wrecking for around 1k...:) No damage? Hah. Caldari are middle ground. In the tradeoff between Dmg per hit/ rate of fire...caldari are right in the middle. Methinks someone hoped into caldari ship for first time and was upset. Try..to stick witjh it for a while, youll like it. I was referring more to missiles since many caldari ships are designed to be missile boats. I am aware of the blaster rokh and know that it is also amongst the best sniping ships in the game. Well from a quick review of KB's Drakes seem to do fairly well in PvP. Dal. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Templer Relleg Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:37:00 - [27] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 29/04/2007 18:34:33 Edited by: Templer Relleg on 29/04/2007 18:34:13 Edited by: Templer Relleg on 29/04/2007 18:33:52 No. My drake have killed 2 ravens just this weekend, and almost a vaga, before he ran While you might not be able to fit that much ewar, which is the downside, i think caldari is fine. The fix is, dont tank your mids, tank with rigs! Ewar in mids is better then a tank! You can shoot at pretty much any range. Abuse it.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:52:00 - [28] if you take out the ? out of the title theres my answer --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.29 19:39:00 - [29] Just train Guns and Drones like all good Caldari before you.
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.29 20:08:00 - [30] Try telling Fleshdiver that Caldari are rubbish at solo pvp. That guy solos everything in his Ravens ------------ Combat miner
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.29 20:47:00 - [31] errrm, Rohk with 425 mm rails and antimatter charge butchers everything man... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Kramer Verone Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.29 21:23:00 - [32] PVP does not stand for solo combat, and that's the only caldari weakness.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.04.29 22:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Amantus Try telling Fleshdiver that Caldari are rubbish at solo pvp. That guy solos everything in his Ravens I know a few folks that have fought his Ravens. Very tough ship, nice tank and great damage output.
Psorion Absolute Wrath Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.29 22:41:00 - [34] I love Caldari. I must admit around 3mil skillpoints I was like 'WTF.. cant do anything', then I got Frigates V, and then I got Rigging trained up and learned the value of skills. Now after another few mil skillpoints, its turning the corner. Caldari , easy to learn, very difficult to master. You may be 'sucking at PVP' because like the previous posters said, 'More success in numbers', 'Careful fitting for the strength of the ship', and 'Know when to run, when to fight'. BTW you will find alot of 'shield tanking' ships can shine if you Armor tank them and take advantage of the mids. Cloaked and AFK at a system near you...
Joebarchuck Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.29 23:02:00 - [35] For those of you that read my post earlier, it only mentionned full aggro on World Collide so show how well it tanks. Of course pvp is a different world but I needed a comparaison. Anyway, the nighthawk main wikness is the low DPS but the tank is amazing with the right fitting. I have destroyed, Rohks, Ravens, and even EOS with my nighthawk with going below 70% shield. Heck, last time, I took two raven but could only web scramble one. Anyway, both stayed until the first one was dead and my tank never went below 70%, they were shooting EM. I think it all comes to fitting and the way to solo play but caldari are just amazing when fitted correctly.
Calarn Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.29 23:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Kather i'm afraid caldari suck at pvp. so do amarr. mimitar are ok but don't do much damage and don't tank very well gallente are the only race that can pvp. i know all this not based on personal experience, but on what is said on the forums now, from personal experience, caldari are fine. alot of my old corp used caldari just fine. sure, theres no omgpwn solo ships, so fight in a gang. things they can do better than other races, well, sniping maybe? train t2 guns and laugh at everyone else as you shoot them from outside of there range
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.29 23:57:00 - [37] Caldari assault cruisers are pretty damn mean. An Eagle appearing 200KM away is very bad news to any frigates with you. We had an awesome brawl on a gate against Snigg/Sniggwaffe a few weeks ago. They were mostly in T2 frigs and recon cruisers. One our guys warped into it with a Cerberus and went through them like a chainsaw. A Raven, up close and throwing T2 torps, will do very bad things to you. Just don't expect it to tackle unless you're armor tanking it.
Soulight	Posted - 2007.04.30 10:30:00 - [38] Edited by: Soulight on 30/04/2007 10:27:57 Erm I love my Eagle and if you look at many an allience killboard Im sure you will see the Crow around the top of the heap.
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.04.30 18:43:00 - [39] It seems like so (To me). Missiles, easy to get into, hard to master. Guns..hard to get into, harder to master. Caldari really emphasizes the getting what you put into it. You put the time and training and yeh..you dont suck. The ones that suck are the ones that put 1Mill SP into caldari stuff and go "WHY CANT I WTFPWNZORU!" Time and effort wins the race. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.30 19:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Petrothian Tong errrm, Rohk with 425 mm rails and antimatter charge butchers everything man... Yeah, from about 40km and out. Get within 30, and if its smaller than a cruiser or faster than a speeding bullet, the Rokh is hosed. I've been tinkering with a Blasterokh, and I've stumbled into a few fun arrangements. I'm still only able to use Tech I Large blasters, but I'm seeing potential in a Tacklerokh. Ok, stop laughing. Seriously. Just one webber, that's it. Its not going to wtfpwn whole squads with a full midslot tackling set up, just hold that one pesky bastard still long enough to line'em up. If you're going to properly lock a ship down, someone's got to get close enough to web/scram it. I have toyed with the idea of a MWD fitted Rokh, and its a fun cruiser, but speed just isn't its game. You can still run a sweet midslot tanking scheme, low slots for PDUs, Stabs (I prefer Tracking Enhancers for tracking speed). I just don't have the skills yet to pull it off. I'm just over 4.3 million SP, and I'm WAY behind on training up the gunnery skills because I'm picking up drone abilities right now. But I see promise there, its just going to take time. For a Tech I Blasterokh, I'd recommend Uranium rounds. AM damage is nice, but lacking speed, you'll need a little more reach to do the job. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:04:00 - [41] Caldari what at PvP??? LOL I've seen solo ravens drop in on a gatecamp, pop a ship or three, warp out, come back & do it again. One of our pilots is notorious for it. During a 0.0 raiding op 5 T2 frigs and a single interdict were running around blowing up all sorts of stuff from frigs & haulers to BS. We even shredded a couple of drakes. Then we encounter one particular drake and 4 of us go pop before we do so much as dent the drake's shields. It was that fast... a volley per T2 frig, 2 volleys for the dictor, and the one pilot to warp in slower than the rest turned around and got out whole. It's not the ship, it's not the race, it's the experiance of the pilot first and the skill of the character second. I've seen relatively new characters with moderate or even low skillpoints rip apart far older 'higher skill' characters while flying little more than T1 gear... and I've seen it done with all races. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Dark Fetish	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Slightly Annoyed PVE is no compensation for having a race lousy at pvp. Oh really? Tell that to an Amarr pilot. The majority of our ships suck at both PvP and PvE... unless you have 20mil skill points or more. At least you can farm iskies to replace your loses a gazillion times faster than me.
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.04.30 20:20:00 - [43] omg that's such a retarded setup! what a noob! should be like this highs whatever lows win YAAARRRR I havent lost a single ship with this setup for the last 16 months check killboards and imagine a semi naked chick in my sig
Slayton Ford Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.30 21:05:00 - [44] Before you say that caldari ships suck at PvP, I suggest you look up the BE fitting on a raven.
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.30 22:45:00 - [45] BE fitting... can you be more specific so I can actually find it?
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.30 22:50:00 - [46] I like be support in a fight tbh, altough i do have a gallente inty alt which is hella'fun ------------------------------------------------------------------
Erim Solfara Amarr Tarlos INC	Posted - 2007.04.30 22:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Slightly Annoyed PVE is no compensation for having a race lousy at pvp. At this point I stopped reading. New ship class
William Alex Caldari Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.01 13:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Erim Solfara Originally by: Slightly Annoyed PVE is no compensation for having a race lousy at pvp. At this point I stopped reading. Didn't stop you from posting i see... Originally by: G.W. Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the facts is what you're going to do about it.

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