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Mohamad Transporte
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.12.28 13:40:00 -
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Just wondering why do alliances risk their assets into pvp-ing with other alliances without having a clear output from such war....
I mean i understand why PL wages war... (clearly to improve their profits through accepting contracts - so the motive is isk)
And i understand why NRDS forces in Provi and catch do it (they believe in NRDS concept and fight for it - so the motive is ethical lets say)
But alliances like FA and Razor and others whom participating with goons to take the tech moons system in the north (and these moons will go to Goons themselves most probably)... whats their motives... ?! (same goes for DRF.. but i guess i understand the bond in DRF more)
is it for the sake of maintaining blue standing towards goons? .. if yes .. then wouldn't they lay under the mercy of future resets?
is it for gaining experience of Large scale wars?
Or is it that they like to pew pew without considering the financial benefits (aka they kill & loose for pure fun? ) |
Ventro69
Manson Family
Corcoran State
62
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Posted - 2011.12.28 13:58:00 -
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For the gudfights.
Or do you think people go to Geminate for the tech?
Thank you Mario! But our princess is in another castle!
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Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:05:00 -
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Because they are our allies. Allies do that kind of thing. You know, help each other out and such. If one of us gets attacked, we know that the entire CFC would have our back, and would come to defend us.
Also, last time I checked, we play this game for fun, not for profit. WN has been a "bit" short on fighting, but it has been fun steamrolling their timers. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Tactical Narcotics Team
29
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:19:00 -
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Actually without Razor, FA, Gents, TNT & other allies, the Goons would not be getting to take all the tech moons.
Because the allies are the REAL force behind the goons. :P
P.S. Goons only fly rifters so we are teaching them how to fly bigger ships. |
Mohamad Transporte
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.12.28 14:42:00 -
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Zagam wrote:
Also, last time I checked, we play this game for fun, not for profit. .
I wonder.. do u have fun if you loose all your alliances ships and didn't get anything in return... ? would this concept be ok for goons for example... i mean steam roll the wn area and give it to FA for "friendship" reasons?
Or maybe the so called "Pet" alliances do seem to occur... |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2011.12.28 15:50:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:Just wondering why do alliances risk their assets into pvp-ing with other alliances without having a clear output from such war....
I mean i understand why PL wages war... (clearly to improve their profits through accepting contracts - so the motive is isk)
And i understand why NRDS forces in Provi and catch do it (they believe in NRDS concept and fight for it - so the motive is ethical lets say)
But alliances like FA and Razor and others whom participating with goons to take the tech moons system in the north (and these moons will go to Goons themselves most probably)... whats their motives... ?! (same goes for DRF.. but i guess i understand the bond in DRF more)
is it for the sake of maintaining blue standing towards goons? .. if yes .. then wouldn't they lay under the mercy of future resets?
is it for gaining experience of Large scale wars?
Or is it that they like to pew pew without considering the financial benefits (aka they kill & loose for pure fun? )
Unfortunately your obviously leading question falls down when you take into consideration that CFC members do indeed get paid in tech moons in return for participating in campaigns.
edit; also yeah goodfights
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
thetwilitehour
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:28:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:Actually without Razor, FA, Gents, TNT & other allies, the Goons would not be getting to take all the tech moons.
Because the allies are the REAL force behind the goons. :P
P.S. Goons only fly rifters so we are teaching them how to fly bigger ships.
The thing you're not understanding is that those rifters are the true heroes, they are battle standards that reach into the hearts of our allies and summon them forth, yearning to blob and kill our opponents mercilessly. Without the heroes, our 50m t2 skilled battleship pilot fleets of 250-500 are meaningless.
Here's to the heroes. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
332
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:49:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:Zagam wrote:
Also, last time I checked, we play this game for fun, not for profit. .
I wonder.. do u have fun if you loose all your alliances ships and didn't get anything in return... ? would this concept be ok for goons for example... i mean steam roll the wn area and give it to FA for "friendship" reasons? Or maybe the so called "Pet" alliances do seem to occur...
Here's the thing... the CFC works together. We live together, we die together. Nothing is simply given out of "friendship", but rather it is earned. For example, FA is in Fade because we played a large part in helping stop the DRF in Dek. How Branch will be divvied up when/if it is taken is immaterial. Goons worked with all of the CFC alliances in planning this campaign, and as a member of the CFC, we fight alongside all of the others.
Its not about winning or losing - if we lose, we lose. Coalitions are strong because the stand together. If everyone tried to be xenophobic and only work on their own, large areas of sov wouldn't exist, and sov would change hands so quickly that there is actually LESS incentive to hold sov. Instead of seeing it as separate nations working together without apparent bonds, try seeing it as states within a larger nation working towards a common goal.
Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
332
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:50:00 -
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thetwilitehour wrote:The thing you're not understanding is that those rifters are the true heroes, they are battle standards that reach into the hearts of our allies and summon them forth, yearning to blob and kill our opponents mercilessly. Without the heroes, our 50m t2 skilled battleship pilot fleets of 250-1000 are meaningless.
Here's to the heroes.
Quoting for Truth.
...probably bad posting |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.12.28 17:07:00 -
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Kyt Thrace wrote:
P.S. Goons only fly rifters so we are teaching them how to fly bigger ships.
You guys have no idea how true this is |
Tiberu Stundrif
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.12.28 17:07:00 -
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If once we got our space, we reset most of the allies which helped us get the space in the first place, we'd have a new name:
White Noise.
We all see how they're doing. |
TatooHead
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
18
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Posted - 2011.12.28 18:30:00 -
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Zagam wrote:Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance.
Coming from a pet that doesn't really sound convincing :) |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:04:00 -
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TatooHead wrote:Zagam wrote:Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance. Coming from a pet that doesn't really sound convincing :)
Oh...the irony of this post.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Tiberu Stundrif
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:25:00 -
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TatooHead wrote:Zagam wrote:Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance. Coming from a pet that doesn't really sound convincing :)
Coming from someone who bought their space from Evoke, then lives under the protection of CVA... I find this statement quite entertaining. |
Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
340
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:46:00 -
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Tiberu Stundrif wrote:TatooHead wrote:Zagam wrote:Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance. Coming from a pet that doesn't really sound convincing :) Coming from someone who bought their space from Evoke, then lives under the protection of CVA... I find this statement quite entertaining.
Indeed.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
353
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Posted - 2011.12.28 19:49:00 -
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TatooHead wrote:Zagam wrote:Also... about "pet" alliances... none of the CFC members are "pets" of another, or beholden to any single other alliance. Coming from a pet that doesn't really sound convincing :)
I remember when Sev3r4nc3 was relevant... wait... no I don't.
...probably bad posting |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
31
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:19:00 -
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The answer to this question lies not with huge alliances, who risk a tiny fraction of their assets for their allies but with small ones. We risk a large amount of our own captial to help out their blues.
We risk because we want to continue what we are doing. When we are threatend and we need some major backup, we know that the relationships we build is what really matters. The relations between the alliances do differ with distance, but when you get multiple small alliances in the same area, you get a large network of people that are able help each other when **** goes down. (which right now, **** is going down in the south)
In the end, we all do it for the lulz.... together! So we can defend ourselves from other people's lulz
P.S: Since when was Catch a NRDS region? I mean I would ask people wtf they are doing down here if I never saw/heard their corp before. They are shoot on sight as far as I have known. (It has been this way for sure 1 year.) |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
174
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:32:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:Just wondering why do alliances risk their assets into pvp-ing with other alliances without having a clear output from such war....
I mean i understand why PL wages war... (clearly to improve their profits through accepting contracts - so the motive is isk)
And i understand why NRDS forces in Provi and catch do it (they believe in NRDS concept and fight for it - so the motive is ethical lets say)
But alliances like FA and Razor and others whom participating with goons to take the tech moons system in the north (and these moons will go to Goons themselves most probably)... whats their motives... ?! (same goes for DRF.. but i guess i understand the bond in DRF more)
is it for the sake of maintaining blue standing towards goons? .. if yes .. then wouldn't they lay under the mercy of future resets?
is it for gaining experience of Large scale wars?
Or is it that they like to pew pew without considering the financial benefits (aka they kill & loose for pure fun? )
you think we're losing in that war?
Have you EVEN bothered to read or check the stats/kills/DOTLAN statistics? Half the tmie WN doesn't even show up!!! bloody war is a landslide at best...even the troops are getting restless wanting an actual bonnafide fight. (Feel free to correct me goons) |
Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
346
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Posted - 2011.12.28 20:40:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:Just wondering why do alliances risk their assets into pvp-ing with other alliances without having a clear output from such war....
I mean i understand why PL wages war... (clearly to improve their profits through accepting contracts - so the motive is isk)
And i understand why NRDS forces in Provi and catch do it (they believe in NRDS concept and fight for it - so the motive is ethical lets say)
But alliances like FA and Razor and others whom participating with goons to take the tech moons system in the north (and these moons will go to Goons themselves most probably)... whats their motives... ?! (same goes for DRF.. but i guess i understand the bond in DRF more)
is it for the sake of maintaining blue standing towards goons? .. if yes .. then wouldn't they lay under the mercy of future resets?
is it for gaining experience of Large scale wars?
Or is it that they like to pew pew without considering the financial benefits (aka they kill & loose for pure fun? ) you think we're losing in that war? Have you EVEN bothered to read or check the stats/kills/DOTLAN statistics? Half the tmie WN doesn't even show up!!! bloody war is a landslide at best... even the troops are getting restless wanting an actual bonnafide fight. (Feel free to correct me goons)
Reset Test!
j/k
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies
Fidelas Constans
174
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Posted - 2011.12.28 21:37:00 -
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Zagam wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:Just wondering why do alliances risk their assets into pvp-ing with other alliances without having a clear output from such war....
I mean i understand why PL wages war... (clearly to improve their profits through accepting contracts - so the motive is isk)
And i understand why NRDS forces in Provi and catch do it (they believe in NRDS concept and fight for it - so the motive is ethical lets say)
But alliances like FA and Razor and others whom participating with goons to take the tech moons system in the north (and these moons will go to Goons themselves most probably)... whats their motives... ?! (same goes for DRF.. but i guess i understand the bond in DRF more)
is it for the sake of maintaining blue standing towards goons? .. if yes .. then wouldn't they lay under the mercy of future resets?
is it for gaining experience of Large scale wars?
Or is it that they like to pew pew without considering the financial benefits (aka they kill & loose for pure fun? ) you think we're losing in that war? Have you EVEN bothered to read or check the stats/kills/DOTLAN statistics? Half the tmie WN doesn't even show up!!! bloody war is a landslide at best... even the troops are getting restless wanting an actual bonnafide fight. (Feel free to correct me goons) Reset Test! j/k
 
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Syndic Thrass
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.12.28 21:44:00 -
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For the love of god, Stahlregen, change your sig. It is making my ******* eyes bleed much like the OP's... incredible overuse...... of ellipsis.... also..... op... gudfites and we do give people tech moons.... learn what a colon is. hth..............
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White Tree
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
679
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:53:00 -
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Good post, Syndic. |
White Tree
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
679
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Posted - 2011.12.29 01:54:00 -
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Psyche! No it wasn't. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
242
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Posted - 2011.12.29 02:18:00 -
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gnarly burns yo~ |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:58:00 -
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Syndic Thrass wrote:For the love of god, Stahlregen, change your sig. It is making my ******* eyes bleed much like the OP's... incredible overuse...... of ellipsis.... also..... op... gudfites and we do give people tech moons.... learn what a colon is. hth..............
okay, whatever you say, nerd!
EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
394
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Posted - 2011.12.29 08:02:00 -
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Syndic Thrass wrote:For the love of god, Stahlregen, change your sig. It is making my ******* eyes bleed much like the OP's... incredible overuse...... of ellipsis.... also..... op... gudfites and we do give people tech moons.... learn what a colon is. hth..............
If I had another dread to lose right now, I'd lose it because of this post.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Syndic Thrass
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:44:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Psyche! No it wasn't.
I can't be -repped here though so never stop posting and whatnot. |
Themick Mccoy
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:38:00 -
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Zagam wrote: Allies do that kind of thing. You know, help each other out and such.
This, They believe in this concept much like you and yours believe in what you do. It is a wee bit short-sighted to not grasp that others may not be as evil as popular opinion may have them.
I'm a noob! If you catch me ingame, don't bother with a ransom, I ain't paying! I'm still learning the pvpies, plus, I'm a Jew. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
215
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:51:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:Zagam wrote:
Also, last time I checked, we play this game for fun, not for profit. .
I wonder.. do u have fun if you loose all your alliances ships and didn't get anything in return... ? would this concept be ok for goons for example... i mean steam roll the wn area and give it to FA for "friendship" reasons? Or maybe the so called "Pet" alliances do seem to occur...
You really dont understand do you? Is it just that your leaders have brainwashed you into believeing all the propoganda, or are you just as thick as your posts seem to imply?
The CFC work TOGETHER to further its power, not Goonswarm power, CFC power. We make no secret of it, GSF lead, and they lead from the front, but the rewards go all accross the CFC. Sov and moons go to the alliances who earn it and to those who need it, the wealth is shared here, something you folks wont ever believe or understand.
So, what does that mean for the man on the frontline? More ships reimbursed, some corps such as ours use our isk to buy capitals for its linemembers, alliances secure and use isk to empower corps. This is the truth behind the CFC but you wont believe it because you have been told not to.
Carry on believing we are evil and corrupt, it means we get to shoot you.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Max50
Parental Control
HELL4S
1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:28:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:[quote=Zagam]
Also, last time I checked, we play this game for fun, not for profit. . So, what does that mean for the man on the frontline? More ships reimbursed, some corps such as ours use our isk to buy capitals for its linemembers, alliances secure and use isk to empower corps. This is the truth behind the CFC but you wont believe it because you have been told not to. Carry on believing we are evil and corrupt, it means we get to shoot you.
Nobody can hate a group of people that think that grinding structures with BSs for the wallet of their directors is good forthemselves.
Actually we would love to see you come closer and live near us.We love you that much |
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