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Grand Moff Tarkin1 Half Moon Mining 0	Posted - 2017.03.08 20:56:26 - [1] - Quote Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1340	Posted - 2017.03.08 21:09:42 - [2] - Quote NO! As a miner HELL NO!! Broken rorquals are bad enough for mining but alpha barges is unacceptable. Now another mining ship perhaps for alphas but my question to you is game play vs safety vs isk making and the ability to bot and afk. Where would the gain be? What risks would you build into the system inherently? Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 873	Posted - 2017.03.08 23:21:17 - [3] - Quote With mining 4 you can fit T2 mining lasers. Mining upgrades 4 lets you fit a T2 Mining laser upgrade and Mining frigate 4 gives you most of the hull bonus. A maximum skill Alpha Venture really isn't that far behind a minimum skill Procurer. Factor in the speed with which the frigate can unload and you're probably close to 2/3 the yield. Focus on an ore like Plagioclase that contains a decent amount of Mexallon and you can make a living Venture mining. Buy orders for compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISK in Jita. If you want more - subscribe. If you enjoy the game it should be worth 28 cents a day to have full access using the upgrade promotion https://secure.eveonline.com/upgrade/ Add some passive income activities like PI and you'll probably be in a position to PLEX the account before the subscription is up for renewal.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 47244	Posted - 2017.03.08 23:45:34 - [4] - Quote No. Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more. I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe.
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1264	Posted - 2017.03.08 23:56:57 - [5] - Quote The price of the ship is based on the materials that go in to it plus whatever mark-up the market will bear. There is a way to get to use a mining barge with a huge price mark-up. You go buy a PLEX roughly 1 billion isk each month. This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1497	Posted - 2017.03.09 00:47:28 - [6] - Quote Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote: Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) I don't agree, but still I'd like to ask you two questions: Do you have any arguments to back your claim? Why the procurer? Why not the Retriever or the Covetor? Remove standings and insurance.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1343	Posted - 2017.03.09 00:49:23 - [7] - Quote You know... on second thought I think the OP has a good idea.... We need a gold procurer. It can be bought for the price of a single plex, every month and it will be shiney golden in color. If you dont pay for it every month it wont be gold and its just a deal for alphas. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
hmu-smh Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2017.03.09 01:27:29 - [8] - Quote Calm down, miner..
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3730	Posted - 2017.03.09 07:35:21 - [9] - Quote It should definitely be the Covertor the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 404	Posted - 2017.03.09 08:43:41 - [10] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: No. Since the introduction of Alphas we've seen several threads asking for more stuff for Alphas. Give me more, give me more, give me more. I understand the sentiment, I just don't agree with it. If you want more, subscribe. give a man an inch and he'll take a mile. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1345	Posted - 2017.03.09 14:40:28 - [11] - Quote I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr. But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5968	Posted - 2017.03.09 14:55:40 - [12] - Quote Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote: I like the Venture... And the Procurer can be yours for the low, low price of $9.95USD per month! Everybody wins! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 101	Posted - 2017.03.09 15:37:21 - [13] - Quote I am absolutely against giving alpha players access to more than they already can, but ESPECIALLY not mining barges! He abuse would begin immediately in hisec, good luck finding a backwater system that doesn't have 25 alpha clones stripping belts.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 1185	Posted - 2017.03.09 18:49:55 - [14] - Quote Yeah, no barges for alphas. Sorry... *Highsec is owned by players now.* Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Nicolai Serkanner Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 624	Posted - 2017.03.09 18:58:56 - [15] - Quote Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote: Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) No.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 10549	Posted - 2017.03.09 19:04:47 - [16] - Quote I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Cade Windstalker 1029	Posted - 2017.03.09 20:04:24 - [17] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1625	Posted - 2017.03.10 12:49:02 - [18] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Ijon-Tichy Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2017.03.10 13:52:38 - [19] - Quote Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote: Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) Raise the price a LOT? A LOT is multiplying the price, so wie are talking about 30 to150 mio. ISK Procurers? The point of the Procurer is that it has a good risk/profit ratio. If it was a LOT more expensive this would kill the ship's concept. There would be zero point in using a Procurer because it would go from "last ship to gank" to "first ship to gank". It is 75 times the price of a Venture already, make it 150+ times the price and everyone will tell you: "Don't use the Procurere, it is a trap."
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5985	Posted - 2017.03.10 16:06:20 - [20] - Quote I think we should remove the ability for Alphas to start threads on these forums. Better yet, read only. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Thomas Lot Astrocomical Warped Intentions 119	Posted - 2017.03.10 17:06:21 - [21] - Quote Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote: Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT! I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining) No
Djsaeu Xx-illuminati-xX 48	Posted - 2017.03.10 21:05:46 - [22] - Quote Go old school, before the Venture and barges, everyone used the Scythe, It makes a pretty good mining ship. You should give it a try.
Cade Windstalker 1062	Posted - 2017.03.10 22:15:53 - [23] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. Except there's no easy way to actually run 10 alphas on the same computer. You can do VMs, if you're really smart and careful, but a computer that can run 20 Eve Clients will run a quarter or less of that in VM'd Eve clients, and that's really not worth it. According to the first graph on the latest MER Ore value mined is up almost 1 Trillion ISK per day since the launch of both the new Rorqual and Alpha Clones. Considering what a Venture mines in comparison to a Hulk belts would literally have to be swarmed with Ventures for Alphas to be making up any appreciable fraction of that influx.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 59922	Posted - 2017.03.11 04:53:22 - [24] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr. But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy. Gotta say I kinda like this idea. CCP, make it so. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 175	Posted - 2017.03.11 11:44:38 - [25] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. Having venture mined. No. It's really not a mix. Venture is pretty much trash. With max skills you make 500-600k in 12-13minutes or so for a full 5k load. It's nothing special.
Kathern Aurilen 182	Posted - 2017.03.12 22:55:40 - [26] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr. But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy. I like it +1. I wondered a while back why a deep core mining laser couldn't do moon mining or pi mining. I would say that p0 stuff could be abstained like that if your planet is needing something else to make p3 or p4. One load of a venture is half a p1 so it's not really worth it unless you need a little something extra. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 1247	Posted - 2017.03.13 08:38:03 - [27] - Quote Do Little wrote: Focus on an ore like ~~Plagioclase~~C320 Fullerite Gas ~~that contains a decent amount of Mexallon~~ and you can make a ~~living~~mind blowing fortune Venture mining. Buy orders for ~~compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISK~~*C320 are at ISK45,000* in Jita. FTFY. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
000Hunter000 Missiles 'R' Us 148	Posted - 2017.03.13 19:31:32 - [28] - Quote Yes please? Can we have all the benefits from Omega's for Alpha's? So i can cancel my subscription?
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2017.03.14 00:29:57 - [29] - Quote I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with.
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2716	Posted - 2017.03.14 03:11:36 - [30] - Quote By Grabthar's Hammer, no! If you want more from this game (and there is a lot more to be had) the solution is easy: subscribe Alpha clones are essentially an unlimited trial so people can check out EvE without time pressure and decide if they want to subscribe to the game. ugh EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf EvE links
Alasdan Helminthauge HC - Razorback Roadhouse 44	Posted - 2017.03.14 07:57:58 - [31] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: It should definitely be the Covertor and whenever an alpha undock his covetor he'll be flagged as suspect. The timer will keep refreshing every second he's still in covetor and last for 15 minutes after he dock up or eject.
Kathern Aurilen 183	Posted - 2017.03.14 14:01:47 - [32] - Quote I'm an alpha, I upgrade periodically as I have time to play and really lean hard on the game. As a alpha, I make a good bit of ISK mining and scanning sites... In my scan venture, scan while I mine. When I pick up something I zoom and get the aproprate ship needed. Sometimes my speed salvager Atron, or my salvage venture, or algos, or even my vexor. I have plenty of other ships, but that's the main ones I love. I've made almost 700 mill ISK and 300,000 m3 of ore waiting to be refined for me by my corp in 2 months since being an alpha playing maybe a hour a day. That's not a whole lot but I make due. Yes I miss my Mack and mining barges, I would be well over 2.5 mill in ore with it big difference, but not insurmountable. I've been thing about jumping over to FW and do a little bit of that to get in the store. But what am I making all this money for I don't even really plan on going battleship or higher. The only reason I really need to sub for is my barges back and A lot of skills to 5 in industry and scanning and a lot of ship command and weapons and a core skills. Eve is very open to all alphas and no limit on how much they can make, it just takes longer and no passive income like pi and farming(skills blocked). I would be very grateful if I had a mining barge... But there is such thing as to much for nothing. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1661	Posted - 2017.03.14 14:20:00 - [33] - Quote Moved to Player Feature and Ideas. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 184	Posted - 2017.03.14 15:12:32 - [34] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. That would be cool. 10-15k ore hold My only stipulation is holy **** ccp STOP MAKING THEM YELLOW. yellow is the worst color. And even with skins you cant get rid of the nasty yellow trim on ore ships. It makes ore ships completely unusable.
Ajem Hinken Quaice Industries 46	Posted - 2017.03.14 16:16:14 - [35] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: Elenahina wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: I don't know... One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way. One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much. But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game. Mr Epeen It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. Having venture mined. No. It's really not a mix. Venture is pretty much trash. With max skills you make 500-600k in 12-13minutes or so for a full 5k load. It's nothing special. You're wrong. I'm not even maxed, in a venture, with T2 drills, and I make 700k a trip, and about one trip per ten minutes. The venture is awesome, especially when twenty or thirty minutes in it pays for itself and then some.
Ajem Hinken Quaice Industries 46	Posted - 2017.03.14 16:17:52 - [36] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. You can do that with jetcanning if you want - you can fit two times the drills on a destroyer than you can in a Venture, at the cost of a decent ore hold.
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2017.03.14 18:01:50 - [37] - Quote Ajem Hinken wrote: Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. You can do that with jetcanning if you want - you can fit two times the drills on a destroyer than you can in a Venture, at the cost of a decent ore hold. Go to a 0.7 system or lower, two things: - ORE is richer, more variety and, - You can anchor secured cargo cans. I've seen a lot of people set up rings of cans around a belt that lets them mine and dump the ore into a Giant Sec. Cargo can. Then they come back later in a industrial and haul it off. In the days before Orcas this was the way to go for a solo miner with out mining barge skills.
Kathern Aurilen 183	Posted - 2017.03.14 20:22:19 - [38] - Quote I'm an alpha, I upgrade periodically as I have time to play and really lean hard on the game. As a alpha, I make a good bit of ISK mining and scanning sites... In my scan venture, scan while I mine. When I pick up something I zoom and get the aproprate ship needed. Sometimes my speed salvager Atron, or my salvage venture, or algos, or even my vexor. I have plenty of other ships, but that's the main ones I love. I've made almost 700 mill ISK and 300,000 m3 of ore waiting to be refined for me by my corp in 2 months since being an alpha playing maybe a hour a day. That's not a whole lot but I make due. Yes I miss my Mack and mining barges, I would be well over 2.5 mill in ore with it big difference, but not insurmountable. I've been thing about jumping over to FW and do a little bit of that to get in the store. But what am I making all this money for I don't even really plan on going battleship or higher. The only reason I really need to sub for is my barges back and A lot of skills to 5 in industry and scanning and a lot of ship command and weapons and a core skills. Eve is very open to all alphas and no limit on how much they can make, it just takes longer and no passive income like pi and farming(skills blocked). I would be very grateful if I had a mining barge... But there is such thing as to much for nothing. What I really want is some of the pirate frigs and cruisers and sister ships, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't plan on really subbing at all. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew! No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Kathern Aurilen 183	Posted - 2017.03.14 21:13:37 - [39] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. alphas can't mulitibox thank god. I'm sure I would have 4or5 out there just so I don't feel lonely lol No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Kathern Aurilen 183	Posted - 2017.03.14 21:17:28 - [40] - Quote Ijon-Tichy wrote: If CCP would see the need to do more for mining Alphas (personaly I don't see it) the Venture is a great little ship) they would probably do something to make players work togther, like bringing back the Primae as a (limited?) "free for all" mining booster ship. Just thinking, you could use the Gnosis for that, right? it get's a 25% bonus to links, that should work with mining links too. Anyone seen a Gnosis boosted fleet of Ventures out there? And it can fleet a set of Mining Drones too. plus there would be a gank security. Proper mining fleet with proper escort. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1373	Posted - 2017.03.14 23:00:59 - [41] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=514157&find=unread If anyone that liked, disliked or wanted to flame away on my idea wants to comment or troll. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Ajem Hinken Quaice Industries 46	Posted - 2017.03.15 00:31:50 - [42] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Elenahina wrote: Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. alphas can't mulitibox thank god. I'm sure I would have 4or5 out there just so I don't feel lonely lol Technically they can - it's just hard. You can use two computers for two accounts, and more if you use VM's, if I recall. Ofc, I never tried it cuz it might fall under exploits.
Kathern Aurilen 184	Posted - 2017.03.15 01:59:17 - [43] - Quote Ajem Hinken wrote: Kathern Aurilen wrote: Elenahina wrote: Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel. alphas can't mulitibox thank god. I'm sure I would have 4or5 out there just so I don't feel lonely lol Technically they can - it's just hard. You can use two computers for two accounts, and more if you use VM's, if I recall. Ofc, I never tried it cuz it might fall under exploits. True.... But I was thinking normal mulitibox like through the launcher. Not some 5 different sandbox programs nightmare No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Kathern Aurilen 184	Posted - 2017.03.15 23:38:57 - [44] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. That's funny now that u mention it... The badges and exumers are the same size as a destroyer class ship. With only 2 size classes, friggets are the bottom 50% of the T1 ship scale. No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 121	Posted - 2017.03.16 00:29:42 - [45] - Quote Kathern Aurilen wrote: Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"? I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with. That's funny now that u mention it... The badges and exumers are the same size as a destroyer class ship. With only 2 size classes, friggets are the bottom 50% of the T1 ship scale. If you go by the rigs then they are medium size, though clearly that doesnt mean much in practice. Skiffs and procurers tank more like BS and BC than cruisers, macks fair okay mostly but really don't really tank heavy dps super well. Hulks meh.

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