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N'Fran D'Larn
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Posted - 2004.01.02 05:55:00 -
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Unbelievable, but it seems true. Players are moving away from EVE at an unbelievable rate and I fear its the end of EVE and all the fun its been.
I power-played since beta, rode all the changes, been instrumental in building arguably the best mega corp in EVE and I am blown away by how unfun they have made the game. Solo NPC farming the hardest spawns to provide uber loot for my corp is dead. Pvp is all but dead. I have no intention of ****ing around doing stupid agent missions and I've mined my 1000 hours, don't want to do anymore. 7 million skill points and nothing to do.
Many of you know me out there, friend and foe alike. I don't flame on the forums or in local channels because and I try to treat everyone with respect, 'cause I'm here to have fun. So don't be insulting or condescending, it only falls on deaf ears and I won't respond. But really? After the last patch and the unbelievable changes, where is the fun anymore?
One last thing. So after all these months of playing a game that was grounded in building large, strong, happy corporations so that you can get ahead, be successful, "win the game", now all a nOOb has to do is run agent missions for a few weeks and they can get a billion isk bp?
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2004.01.02 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Belzavior on 02/01/2004 06:04:02
hmm... last couple times I've logged on I've see numbers like 4800 and 5400 and higher. Higher at least than a month or two ago.
I was thinking of the opposite actually and the game was starting to pick back up.
As for the changes to castor, I thought they made the game more of an mmporg now than the space sim it was befor. Teamwork is now needed to survive. Solo Farming the hardest spawns just means that the game was unbelievably simple and easy.
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Soren
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:02:00 -
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now all a nOOb has to do is run agent missions for a few weeks and they can get a billion isk bp?
It's not quite that easy, If you want a billion isk BP, it takes some of work to get there, and I'd say anyone that does get there is no longer just a "n00b"
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:06:00 -
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God forbid a new player should be able to choose between ways of making money. Because before, the only REAL choice was between hunting and mining. And we all know which of those is more profitable for a new player to do. Now they can choose between several types of agent missions in order to make money.
Anyway, none of this is any indication that EVE is dying, as you put it. In fact if you take a look at the server population numbers as of late you'd notice that they've been averaging higher than before.
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N'Fran D'Larn
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: N'Fran D'Larn on 02/01/2004 06:18:03
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It's not quite that easy, If you want a billion isk BP, it takes some of work to get there, and I'd say anyone that does get there is no longer just a "n00b"
Of course, that's fair. But it's not remotely comparable to the manhours required by an entire corporation to get the isk to buy a tier 2 BS bp. It just strikes me as a fundamental shift in mechanics which runs contrary to how the game was founded and been played for the past 9 months.
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God forbid a new player should be able to choose between ways of making money.
I'm all for adding ways for players to make isk and adding enrichment to the enviornment. But as I said above, from the start the game has been about working cooperatively so that as a group/corp you can gain and share the uber items. Passing everything out by "winning the lottery" seems to run very contradictory. I also don't believe that any single player needs a billion isk.
and again, I started this to ask where the fun was, not rag on Castor. Where is the fun? What are you all enjoying doing - other than agent missions.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:11:00 -
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i feel the other way around, EVE is starting to become alive, and i se new players comming everyday.
i have made an observation- people who post about that they are leaving seem to be all from the beta period, perhaps you guys started in the game to early, myself is perfectly happy whit the game, however im new. i cant compare on how it was in beta but maybe this is what you are doing a bit o much, im happy that i dont know how it was like before, then i have nothing that i can miss.
i would suggest you try and leave the beta period behind and go on and explore all the new stuff that is comming, live in the moment, dont live in the past :)
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Ooke
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:30:00 -
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every mmog has it's chicken littles...
would you be one of EVEs?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:31:00 -
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I'm all for adding ways for players to make isk and adding enrichment to the enviornment. But as I said above, from the start the game has been about working cooperatively so that as a group/corp you can gain and share the uber items. Passing everything out by "winning the lottery" seems to run very contradictory. I also don't believe that any single player needs a billion isk.
I'm not 100% positive I like the lottery concept either, but then again NEITHER of us has seen it in action yet, now have we. Sure it's possible a totally new player could come up the winner, but then again why should the spoils be limited to only the superpowers in the game?
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:42:00 -
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Due to the number of people using research agents, and the many corporations who have nearly all their members using research agents, it is HIGHLY unlikely that a "noob" would get his hands on a tech level 2 blueprint.
Moreover, don't forget you need science level 5 to train any of the new research skills, not to mention the ability to take out some fairly tough NPCs as part of the missions (tough for n00bs anyway).
You are really looking at the process through the lense of your 7 million skillpoints and unlimited resources. Try looking at it from the perspective of a true newbie with a couple basic skills, an ibis, a basic miner and a civilian gatling railgun.
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Myros Glimmbrand
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:45:00 -
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Quick note on server pop. The free time "come back" offer ended Jan 1st, could have been the reason why you saw increased pop last week and a decrese again now.
I hope EVE does continue to grow but it seems as though the Devs are continuing to try to remove as much fun as possible with each major change. I respect them for holding to their vision but IMO quite a few of these changes have had a negative impact on EVE and its ability to draw and hold players.
We'll see I guess.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.02 06:46:00 -
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Due to the number of people using research agents, and the many corporations who have nearly all their members using research agents, it is HIGHLY unlikely that a "noob" would get his hands on a tech level 2 blueprint.
Moreover, don't forget you need science level 5 to train any of the new research skills, not to mention the ability to take out some fairly tough NPCs as part of the missions (tough for n00bs anyway).
Science 5 + a companion skill also at level 5. It's possible for someone with really good skill training built the necessary skills to start research by now. And it'll take a lot of luck to to nab a bp with the RP they may have accumulated. I've got 600 RP myself in a non-bonus skill (Mechanical Engineering).
Okay, so highly improbable that someone in their first month will land a bp. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.01.02 07:06:00 -
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the Wright Bros were'nt rich but they made the first plane
I personly like the idea that anyone that can use the R&D agent can have a chance to get a T2 bp
of course if they cant use it then they can sell it
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2004.01.02 07:14:00 -
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i do think agents got too high of a boost lots of people are running agent missions, some whole corps are all in empire solo playing eve in the hopes of having the next miner 2
but of course i find agents to be boring soo its not for me
btw i think the man hours needed for a level 2 BS BP0 for me is 155 im sure its less for other
and im sure the uber and firt lotto winners will mostly have spent more man hours hauling trash 8 jumps for their agents...i hope so
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.01.02 07:40:00 -
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Are we playing the same game?
A month ago I despaired that it truly was dying: CCP had made some rather awful decisions and population was dwindling. I hardly played the game myself.
But no more. Despite some flaws in Castor, and a few things I don't agree with (primarily the method of DCM), the game is actually worth playing again, and I'm seeing more people on every day.
Sure, not a lot of people were on between Christmas and New Years, but that's expected: many people are doing family stuff and don't have time for online gaming.
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LoCht'Rath
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Posted - 2004.01.02 08:31:00 -
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I must say this:
With the view you have, that is almost exactly like how the Yber dudes in real life thinks.
They dont have anymore fun, they want more power but cant get any higher, so the only way for them is to hold the "little" people down.
You see, i dont see it the way you do, im a relative new in this game.. i played 3-4month in the last part of the Beta and ive now played for 3weeks.
I dont have to join a corp if i dont want to, but it will make me advance more quickly if i do. Tho i can stay solo if i want anyway.
The agentmissions have made it possible for us noobs to gain money without having to mine Veldspar for the rest of our lives.
All the ore, like Omber and such is mined out in the safe 1.0 systems by the huge corporations and time.
The noobs that want to mine can only mine Veldspar, if they want other ore then they have to get to a system <0.7 and can only stay in a belt for 3min, then a bunch of npc pirates comes and they have to run away.
So there are alternative stuff todo.
I feel that CCP is adding more flexibility to the game and they make it possible for everyone to have a chance to experience every part of the EVE experience.
I myself never do agentmissions, i hunt npc rats in belts to gain money instead.
I just hate those rocks, so mining ore is nothing for me, i had enough from Beta.
It takes alot of time to gain money like this with a frigate, but its more fun than make love to a piece of rock.
They game will be more alive if more noob people have a chance in the universe.
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Ywev
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Posted - 2004.01.02 08:48:00 -
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everyone was sent a 10 day come back free trial, all accounts were activated, not sure how many will stay, since tech 2 really isn't ingame, and people are trying to do agent missions to get a bp to drop. They aren't there, its false advertising..
lol
but kills went up over xmas break :)
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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Talia
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Posted - 2004.01.02 08:53:00 -
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Goodbye
I am cancelling my account.
Not selling on ebay. Not giving to a friend. Not stepping away for a few weeks break while a skill trains. Just cancelling.
It's just not fun.
I tried very, very hard to enjoy it. Goodness knows I spent enough actual game time mining trying out all sorts of different things trying to find something that was fun. I dunno, I just couldn't.
I could go on a long rant about the aspects of Eve that make it unfun for me (and I do *not* mean stupid, shallow things like mining being boring). But not today. I'm just going to say it isn't fun and it's getting less so every moment I play.
And I tell ya, through no special fault of CCP's, recently I've been realizing that it's thoroughly unproductive to send $12US to Iceland for the honor of having all my free time (thousands of hours) converted into hemmerhoids. D'OH!!
Oh, and by the way, castor f-ing sucks! What were you CCP dorks thinking?? And haven't you ever heard of incremental f-ing updates?
And what's with naming yourself after the Chinese Communist Party, anyway?
Now I'm off to cancel my account. Bye everyone. And good riddence to me.
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2004.01.02 08:55:00 -
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Ywev,
Should they have advertised Tech 2 after all the BPs were already lottoed out? No, they advertise tech 2 in advance of the lotteries so that people will have a chance to be a part of the lottos...
It isn't false advertising
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Jain Zarr
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Posted - 2004.01.02 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Zarr on 02/01/2004 09:18:49
I have been playing this game a long time. Up until castor I was as addicted to this game as any one of the most hardcore of you out there. I have 2 accounts which have been logged onto the servers all over the christmas period. However I have played NO eve at all. Since Castor patch this is one of the most boring games imaginable. Now I know alot of people like this patch, fair enough. However you will be astounded by the amount that hate it with a passion, but just dont post about it. I know 10 people I speak to on a regular basis and they are all so fed up and close to quiting. I have yet to do dealings with one person in game who actualy likes this patch. The problem is you now have no CHOICE. If you do not belong to a large corp you basically have to run missions, hunt lame spawns in empire space or mine low end ores in empire space.
There will be a good number of people quitting in the new year if more exciting things to do do not open up.
I basically agree with the original poster. There is no fun at the moment for a lot of people. I can see that there is a good deal of fun for people if they want to run missions or hunt/mine in large numbers with corp mates.
For those of us that dont want to get a large group of people together to do everyting but missions there isnt.
And before you all flame, no i dont want to mine arc/bist on my own, that SHOULD be for mega corps along with hunting million isk bs pirates. I would like something in between that dosnt involve missions tho.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.01.02 09:40:00 -
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Player numbers over 5000 last night.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.02 09:42:00 -
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the Wright Bros were'nt rich but they made the first plane
Fella called Cayley built the first plane, more than 80 years before the Wright brothers.
Didn't fly, of course. He didn't have an internal combustion engine, or it would have done.
First *working* plane, now ... and even that only counts if you ignore airships.
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Gandy
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Posted - 2004.01.02 09:58:00 -
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I've quit the game 'cos castor killed it for me, theres no more fun in the game and to me most important no more FREEDOM in the game, I've not played since castor came out, which is strange for me as like most peeps I loved this game, but yeah I think the fun has gone at least for freelancers and small corps.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.01.02 10:13:00 -
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It's just a combination of holidays plus big patch.
Things will pick up in the next 5 or 6 days and, hopefully with the optimism of a bright new year, they'll see what the patch brings rather than what it takes away.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.01.02 10:33:00 -
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I've quit the game 'cos castor killed it for me, theres no more fun in the game and to me most important no more FREEDOM in the game, I've not played since castor came out, which is strange for me as like most peeps I loved this game, but yeah I think the fun has gone at least for freelancers and small corps.
Is this not syptomatic of the attitude of the 'I hate castor' mob.
He has not played sinse castor, yet is quiting because it has killed his fun?????
How can you make any judgement on something without even trying it?
Oh and for all the Doom and gloomers, 5400 logged on last night.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.02 11:03:00 -
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According to the frontpage it says:
Tech2 has been released, but so far only mining laser tech 2 and some cargo expander bp has been released (where the hell is it?).
Were still where we were when we played TQ, but now the NPC's got harder, got better gear and ores are redistributed and refining causes more loss of minerals.
Personally i suggested a higher ammount of lower minerals to be produced from ore so that the price would drop and the market collapsed on those minerals making it less profitable and more profitable to mine megacyte instead of other minerals. But with the npc's beeing so darn hard and strong its insane to mine in 0.0 space, for every mil isk you mine you need a new ship.
Im not saying it should be darn easy, but also not impossible. Cuz thats how it is now.
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Ankh
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Posted - 2004.01.02 11:32:00 -
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I agree with N'Fran that Castor has slowed the game down, everything is slower except the rate at which my cap now drains.
Yes, the fun element seems to have slowed down too, I now seem to spend most of my time approaching stargates. The 'buzz' seems to be getting more elusive but EVE is still a good game and I'll be around for a while yet.
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.01.02 11:33:00 -
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I'm a long time player. All I did untill now was Sci/production in station and some mining. With Castor approaching I made my char ready to fly Cruiser and do agent missions.
And you know what? I'm having fun now!
Agent running is fun be corurse is challenges me to do it fast to get bonuses, and that I cannot do without beeing involved. Combat is exiting be course it's HARD. Everytime I set out to do combat I know there is a real chance of failure (getting all my stuff blown up).
(Now all I need is a real risk if you die. Its still to easy to come back even if you are podded. You should loose at least a coupple of percent off all skills if you die...)
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Lyckety Splyt
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Posted - 2004.01.02 11:54:00 -
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i feel the other way around, EVE is starting to become alive, and i se new players comming everyday.
I think so. I have canceled my account some weeks before castor-patch. My account is activate, after testing Castor. CCP is back to the roots of thinking Eve as a game (content), a mmog grats CCP
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.01.02 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: IZON on 02/01/2004 12:30:40
There seems to be a near 50/50 split in those that love and hate Eve. I'm in the middle somewhere - in that I still play, but turn a blind eye to the most irritating game-killing aspects of Castor; my biggest gripe is the near absence of 'pace' thoughout the game, most especially when running agent missions.
Also, I think Eve would have benefited greatly had it been designed around the æNewtonianÆ model for ship movement using joystick controls. The current point and click mouse system is too sedate for EveÆs ambitions.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.01.02 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: IZON on 02/01/2004 12:30:40
my biggest gripe is the near absence of 'pace' thoughout the game, most especially when running agent missions.
I have only quoted your post as it is the last one with speed in the comments.
If anything the game has increased in pace, my frigate runs missions at 1500m/s and jumps at 3au/s. So unless you are using an indi or cruiser to run them I don't see how. If you are using an indy or a cruiser maybe a change is in order?
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