1) the specialized industrials have always been a bit weird. But it's not a big enough problem to be worth fixing just for alphas. As you said. Roll a gallente alt. Or go omega. Problem solved.

2) you already have a specialized mining frigate. It's called the venture. And believe it or not it didn't always exist. No it wasn't designed specifically for alphas. But it was designed to fill precisely rhe role that you are describing.
And it is also one of the only pirate faction ships that alphas are able to fly at all. Which already is a bonus. They could have kept things limited to ONLY your racial shops and NO pirate faction ships at all... I remember mining in a probe back in the day before ventures. So be grateful for what you gave.

So here is a solution to both of your problems. One that I used myself back in the day. Use a destroyer. Even without a mining bonus it can actually pull in higher yield due to the number of extra turrets.
Now it doesn't have an ore hold. So you will need to use a jet can or a secure container to hold the ore as you mine. But when you have a good load. Simply swap to your hauler and pick it up.

Even better grab a friend. Both of you mine together. And when the can starts to get full one of you runs back for a hauler.

Alpha clones are free, if you need a ship you cannot fly because of alpha clone restrictions then start a new clone. Yes I know having multiple free accounts accomplishes the same basic thing because those other accounts will give you as a person access to ships you currently cannot fly, but to be honest that was the intent from the beginning. CCP wants to limit what a single alpha character can do so they limit that character to a single race of ships plus a few others like the Genosis. As a person they do not want to force you into that single race of ships restriction so they allow you to have multiple accounts with the added penalty of only having one online at a time.

Another reason to deny your request is the proverbial where does it stop. At least once every week we get a new alpha clones need to have access to _____ ( you fill in the blank) if CCP gave into those requests they might just as well remove ALL restrictions on the alpha clones which would be really bad for their cash flow.

Given that CCP needs to keep heavy restrictions in place on the alpha clones why do you think they should make your requested change and not any of the other change requests that have come before yours?

Personally I agree this is non-optimal and could be improved on, but this could be more easily fixed by just allowing every clone to train every Racial Industrial to 1.

Do you feel you're not getting your $0/month out of your alpha clone?

Easy solution, don't let alphas use a gnosis, and don't let them use gallente haulers. $10.95/mo is nothing. Buy a subscription.

2 options for your hauler.

First - compress your ore and haul it in the Venture. Compression is 100:1 so you can haul the equivalent of 500,000 M3 of ore in your Venture. I don't recommend it - that value will make you an attractive gank target but you don't need to haul a full load and the Venture is fast. Note that most public Citadels offer ore compression free of charge.

Second: the standard racial industrial can easily be fit to haul 25,000 M3 using cargo rigs and modules. It's less than a Miasmos but still pretty decent.

An Alpha can fit T2 mining lasers and a T2 mining upgrade. With level 4 skills for the hull bonus, a Venture will harvest a lot of ore - especially if you join a fleet with boosts. If you want more - subsccribe.

Do you feel you're not getting your $0/month out of your alpha clone?

Easy solution, don't let alphas use a gnosis, and don't let them use gallente haulers. $10.95/mo is nothing. Buy a subscription.

I remember mining in a probe back in the day before ventures. So be grateful for what you gave.

A reply with depth. I paid 5 months already. Its not about the money here or about me. I have plex in station if I would want to activate it but I don't want to right now. Im having fun on alpha account and while doing so I noticed that not all factions are equal in balance and not all actions are equal in profitability. I simply propose to make it more balanced. Alpha offers quite a lot for a free account, but there is no reason why should those who doesn't want to pay be forced to create another character from opposite faction just to overcome the limit of the faction they chosen for their first character.

So again, and I can talk slower, you're paying CCP $0/month right now. You have no say in asking for more.

$10.95/month is the cost of buying a single lunch. If that's too expensive for you, then you need to spend less time playing games and more time looking for a job IRL.

I understand that the main purpose of alpha is to convince peoples to subscribe, but the current alpha could still take few changes to make it more enjoyable or rather less annoying. Even players who are not paying the game are benefiting the game.

1) Move Miasmos, Kryos, Epithal and possibly Hoarder into special edition ships. Gallente has too big advantage in hauling or rather other factions are in disadvantage. If you mine a whole day in venture and want to transport the ore somewhere to compress it or reprocess it its a real pain without Miasmos. All this does is to force players to create a Gallente alt for this task which should not be needed. And yes I am aware you can contract the ore to corp/friend or use courier contract - that doesn't make this a non issue though.

2) While PvE and PvP is good especially thanks to Gnosis and recent addition of Sunesis, ore mining is way too inefficient. Mining gas is profitable enough even for alpha, but ore mining sucks hard. To change that, I propose a new ORE mining frigate or perhaps even different class of ship available to alpha clone (so its not as fast/small as venture) which will have:
- 100% bonus to mining yield, but no bonus to gas mining
- 10.000m3 ore cargohold
- possibly also 2 low slots (but then it can't have the warp stab role bonus obviously)
Such change would make ore mining on alpha bit more profitable. The ship should cost around 15mil ISK - that would make it risky too because of suicide gankers.

Yes I understand there are a lot of request add this and that to alpha. Usually cloak, cyno, PI or something like a beta concept. I read it - those request are not even describing why should CPP do it - why would such change be reasonable. I tried to explain why I think the change I propose is reasonable. And the resposes here did not prooved me wrong.

The only responses till now were:
- just make and alt (alt account)
- its not a problem because you can create an alt

Why is anything you can workaround via creating alt(s) suddenly not a problem? I don't think that creating dozen alts to deal with any problem you run into is healthy.

Currently if I want to play alpha clone and be independed on alts/friends (and friends are not always in same sector/logged at same time) it must be Gallente. Even if I like to fly Caldari ships because they are cool looking and I like them, Caldari alpha is in disadvantage when it comes to hauling ore/minerals/pi. Given that the main activity for new player is mining, being able to move the 1m veldspar you just mined 5+J away is quite a basic task.

So yes I believe there is a need for one additional ore mining ship flyable by alpha clone. The best would be somehow to guarantee you get the bigger profit if you mine in lowsec - which is currently not true. But I don't know how could that be done on alpha clone give its skill limitations.

It may surprise you, but CCP pay-¦s their employers with $, not ISK !

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Not this tired old crazy argument again. By the way you are wrong here.
Using plex or paying cash for your sub simply does not matter CCP gets real cash money either way.
If you use plex someone, somewhere and at some point in time had to pay real cash money to buy that plex from CCP.

As mentioned above given that your change would require ALL of the Omega clone characters to train yet another skill so we can continue to fly a ship we can already fly you lose and will just have to start yet another FREE TO PLAY clone.

I believe there point was, if alpha clones are made to the point people wanted to play them unsubscribed then there would be no $ for CCP to pay there employees with.

Its not expensive for me. I have PLEX already in cargo, therefore I paid CPP already. I just didn't activated it because I am taking a break from this game and I want to take it slowly therefore I play on alpha clone right now.

You seems to have a problem with peoples who are on alpha, don't you? Well guess what, its a legitimate way of playing this game. I don't want more from alpha, I want only balance it.

1: I think the special haulers should be converted to ORE industrials, so alphas can't use them at all. This solves the current faction balance issue caused by industrials. This would also mean the Occator's blueprint would need to be changed to use the Itreon V as a base instead - as it should be by the way.

thats also a solution I am comfortable with, but it causes a problem Donnachadh pointed out - it would force many players to train a skill to fly a ship they can fly already

Which is why alpha "failed". It didn't offered enought to attract those masses of new players who tried it when eve went into f2p.

There must be a balance between both states. If alpha is not enjoyable to play no new players will stay. If alpha is too good, noone will subscribe. It needs to offer exactly so much that you get into a game, enjoy it and want more.

And believe it or not, even players who doesn't pay CPP are beneficial to the game. Every new player in eve is adding a content to others no matter if he is alpha or omega. And more content means more players willing to pay for omega.

You paid CCP cash for plex instead of earning it with ISK? That was pretty stupid. If you did earn it with ISK, you didn't pay CCP a dime. So again, are you not getting your $0/mo worth out of alpha clones?

But then again, you have plex in your cargo, so you don't have to be alpha, which means your opinion here means nothing. If you want to take a break and take it slowly, don't complain about a game you get to play for free. Jesus kid...

Its not expensive for me. I have PLEX already in cargo, therefore I paid CPP already. I just didn't activated it because I am taking a break from this game and I want to take it slowly therefore I play on alpha clone right now.

You seems to have a problem with peoples who are on alpha, don't you? Well guess what, its a legitimate way of playing this game. I don't want more from alpha, I want only balance it.

This is... really not true for everyone. When I started playing the cost of an Eve sub was most of my discretionary spending for the month (I was young) and not everyone with a computer that can play Eve can just casually drop ~$120-180 a year.

While I generally agree that Alphas should be limited, for balance at the very least, I don't agree that they should be completely neglected on the balance front, and this sort of attitude that seems to say "Alpha players should be irrelevant" doesn't do the game or the playerbase any favors.