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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.04.18 15:19:53 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Kevin Dogguide wrote:I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. "Breaking Plex" as you call it will do nothing to the value of your plex, it will simply appear differently. 1 Plex = 500 NewPlex = Same isk / game time value it has now. Thats not true. Day 1 neueplex will cost 1.2b no matter where you look to scam people who don't pay attention. Will no be acquirable at legitimate prices. When the scam where's off expect plex to inflate from 2-2.5m to 3m plus. It's gonna end up cost 1.5b to 2b+ to play each month. There's no wiggle room on an item only worth 2m, to have a spread of market prices it's going to inflate wildy just as people put up the orders that were taken down. |
Richard TheLordOfDance
Operation Fishbowl Inc.
22
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Posted - 2017.04.19 17:40:05 -
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Quince Ozuwara wrote:Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:Seeing as the problems with the PLEX Vault was not addressed in the blog I will just quote what I wrote the last time on how you could fix peoples main concerns with it (mine included). Not liking, or not agreeing with, a new feature isn't something the Devs are going to address; the Q& A's posted to date make that abundantly clear. PLEX Vault, and the removal of physical game time and real money theft from the game is welcome. Steal/ gank/ scam all of the in-game items to your hearts content, but it's past time that CCP remove PLEX tanking from the game for good.
Sorry for the confusion (and the late follow up). When I said "addressed" I didn't mean "changed to how I wan't it to work" but rather "mentioned at all". This is quite a big change and if it's intentional that PLEX will become a "safe" currency with this change then so be it, it's CCP's decisions to make!
But it so, since a lot of people have raced concern over just this specific aspect of the change, it might be nice to have them at least say "Yes, it's intentional." and not walk around the subject while addressing other concerns people have.
My intention was only to again post feedback that could have been lost in the constant stream of saltiness that was the other forum thread. |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1348
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Posted - 2017.04.20 11:19:34 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Kevin Dogguide wrote:I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. "Breaking Plex" as you call it will do nothing to the value of your plex, it will simply appear differently. 1 Plex = 500 NewPlex = Same isk / game time value it has now. Thats not true. Day 1 neueplex will cost 1.2b no matter where you look to scam people who don't pay attention. Will no be acquirable at legitimate prices. When the scam where's off expect plex to inflate from 2-2.5m to 3m plus. It's gonna end up cost 1.5b to 2b+ to play each month. There's no wiggle room on an item only worth 2m, to have a spread of market prices it's going to inflate wildy just as people put up the orders that were taken down. If the cost to plex an account rises too much above current prices (which CCP has so far ensured doesn't happen) you can except to see online numbers slowly wane more. I don't think that would be good for CCP's bottom line.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Arkoth 24
Sebiestor Tribe
358
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Posted - 2017.04.21 07:06:42 -
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Just a small feedback.
1. IMHO new "mini-PLEX" would be just the same "premium currency" as AUR is, so it would be better to keep the name "Aurum" for it. Even if PLEX has such a history.
2. "PLEX-vault" would be just OK as another "wallet", since PLEX will become a currency, not an item.
3. It would be nice to see something like "expired PLEX" and "expired aurum token" as a commodiry then.
Thanks.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
330
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Posted - 2017.04.21 07:16:24 -
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Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:
Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all?
So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE. |
Richard TheLordOfDance
Operation Fishbowl Inc.
22
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Posted - 2017.04.22 21:07:29 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:
Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all?
So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE.
That could easily be accomplished by just letting you putt it on the market straight from the PLEX vault. Having you pull it out to sell is just introducing complexity for complexity's sake. Only actual reason I can think of is to be able to say that it's not a safe item because you can technically put it in your cargo hold if you want to. |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1348
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Posted - 2017.04.22 23:06:33 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Richard TheLordOfDance wrote:
Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all?
So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE. Do you understand why that is just so redundant. The plex vault itself is just advertising for CCP's money grubbing NEX store. Sadly the "Pilot License" section in the character sheet will remain all but useless. (estimated market price for plex isn't even kept current, so why is it even there)
Hoping advertising plex so blatantly in game will encourage players to buy more plex for overpriced crap from the NEX store - Will fail.
And I'm really sorry but Plex will no longer be an "item" - It is to be pure currency, by design..
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
205
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Posted - 2017.04.24 14:40:47 -
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Will these plex changes herald in the end of subscription based gameplay and CCP only being funded by NEX crap vanity items being sold to people with more money than sense? |
Benje en Divalone
0
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Posted - 2017.04.25 13:46:38 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Hoping advertising plex so blatantly in game will encourage players to buy more plex for overpriced crap from the NEX store - Will fail. Depends on how they manage the store. Offer items that people want to buy for a reasonable price and they'll buy it. Seems easy right? Yet most games developers fail hard on the second and can't quite figure out the first.
eg. Station avatar clothing probably won't have a lot of appeal if it's priced north of 25-50 miniPlex. If and when we get the ability for station avatars to mingle then those items would become quite a bit more popular. Ben's arm was a freebie I got with the sub package I bought. While it fits the character concept I have for him I wouldn't have bought store currency for one. EVE-Central is telling me between 2M and 20M which is 4-40 cents. I suppose I could part with that.
Good looking SKINs would probably command a higher price. Now all they need are SKINs that look good on the ships that folks actually fly.
Considering how fragile people consider the code base I wonder if they really don't have a lot of choice how the PLEX vault is implemented. For mini-plex to be tradable it needs to be an inventory item. The wallet can only handle currency. Sticking it in our cargoholds is the least risky change they can make.
Using the PLEX logo is a mistake. Overexposure is just going to inoculate people. Offering items that people want to buy for a reasonable price is the best way to make it work.
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Drabbin Mishi
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
37
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Posted - 2017.04.27 22:24:09 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items? |
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
336
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Posted - 2017.04.27 23:39:27 -
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Drabbin Mishi wrote:https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items?
you might want to redeem them, seeing as waiting on an answer from CCP has proven to come after the fact. |
Devon Stone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:46:09 -
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Drabbin Mishi wrote:https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items?
Redeem them if you have them. Not really that hard to comprehend. |
Moridunum Kanjus
The Graduates The Initiative.
26
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Posted - 2017.05.09 15:58:10 -
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Can we please have an option to hide the obnoxious plex vault that doesn't fit in with the rest of the UI in any aesthetic way...Why can't we just open the vault via the neocom? or better yet, not have one?
I would also appreciate not having plex pushed in my face considering I already pay for the monthly sub, this is blatant paid service advertising that you can't get away from, to me that's not cool. This is not a mobile game.
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Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE Virtus Crusade Protectorate
19
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Posted - 2017.05.09 16:46:21 -
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I thought Aurum tokens were getting removed? Still here and still accessible on market. |
Mokada Akiga
Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm
4
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Posted - 2017.05.09 20:46:09 -
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just a massive screw job by CCP to the players of eve with the cost of plex. I have the screen shot of the old costs and plex you got, much better then. Nice ream job on your player base jerks.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
524
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:34:14 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Sister Stetille wrote:
But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out.
I will answer this question of why, The answer is this: You do not kill things for Skill/Experience pts, so your character does not level up. There is no leveling up, just studying as in Real Life. As in Real Life you never stop learning, so even logged out if the que is full/set you never quit skilling up. There is no logic in getting rid of this type of SP gain as there is no other way to gain SP. To go full ****** on just buying SP and giving the game free reign to Wallet Warriors only will definitely kill EvE. Might as well just change the name to Vega Conflict @ that point and be done with it because the only people playing soon after (1-3 yrs tops) will be PvP and those who pay only for their stuff with RL cash, cash for SP, cash for PLEX (at first till the farmers finally leave) to buy ships and gear. Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.
Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3979
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Posted - 2017.05.10 02:44:40 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.
Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.
And patched out a week later if it's actually a major issue as a result. The 'months' only existed for those who weren't already trained, which meant that the elite who have 10 year old alts actually got to abuse the stupid OP ship for months till enough people got in it for it to become a serious problem overall.
A problem being more visible does not mean a problem is worse than what it replaced.
@ Mokada, prove it, post before & after screen-shots with evidence that the before shots aren't a special sale. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
356
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Posted - 2017.05.10 04:44:51 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors.
Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP)
A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning.
Uhm no they did not. Because of the diminishing returns injectors give the higher you go. It there fore makes it a PLEX/ISK sink.
Now maybe if a lot of those veteran pilots whom rid themselves of mining skills, etc had not done so we would not have seen such a rush on these things and newer pilots to the category seeing this following, because.
The fact though is that you are missing........ Most games you skill up by completing quests and killing stuff, so basically you only skill up while playing.
In EvE you can skill up without playing......selling SP upfront would kill this game so fast. Because: 1.) the ones unable to do so would quit playing, unable to afford it. 2.) the ones able to do so would skill everything and have very little reason to do most of the CCP provided content and eventually quit after a few months. |
Keira Jelatin
TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED
17
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Posted - 2017.05.10 15:32:56 -
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?
I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me. |
Karmen Baric
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.05.10 16:48:45 -
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Keira Jelatin wrote:I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?
I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me.
Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken. |
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Mindly Com
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.05.10 23:04:00 -
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The donate gametime feature was removed. Thus making it very difficult to "replex" multiple accounts. Please readd that feature to the vault...
Just to be clear. I do not want to gift plex. I want to donate gametime to a charecter like the old system. AKA no need to go though the same steps on the target account that the main market account does.
Old steps: [Main Account] 30day gametime > activeate > donate gametime > charectar name > confirm [done]
New steps: [Main Acount] go to station > drag plex to plex vault > open plex vault > gift plex > charectar name > ok confirm [Second Account] open plex vault > use gametime > ok [done]
Proposed steps:
remotely add asset plex to plex vault via right click or drag > open plex vault > donate game time > character name > confirm [done]
Best steps: it would be even better if you could give the plex vault a whole list of characters to donate game time to.
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Sagara Mithril
Cro-Magnons Cavemen.
5
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Posted - 2017.05.11 03:30:00 -
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I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts.
Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time.
Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2170
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Posted - 2017.05.11 08:56:29 -
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Sagara Mithril wrote:I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts.
Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time.
Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts. It does not work this way. You still only activate 30 days of Omega using 500 X-es.
So what you love about these changes again?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Sagara Mithril
Cro-Magnons Cavemen.
5
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Posted - 2017.05.11 15:45:00 -
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Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus... |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
793
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Posted - 2017.05.12 06:22:15 -
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Sagara Mithril wrote: Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus...
Cyno alts everywhere, never gona happen.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
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Timcanpy Yvormes
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
2
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Posted - 2017.05.12 08:24:41 -
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Karmen Baric wrote:Keira Jelatin wrote:I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way?
I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me. Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken.
I've tried the same but with this i can't get more time to play because the plex wont move to my vault.
How can i activate the plex to get more time? |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2172
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Posted - 2017.05.12 11:04:16 -
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Sagara Mithril wrote:Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus... The only real reason for this 'long awaited' change was that some people will spend more money on X buying stuff in NES shop. Anything beyond is just marketing fluff for weak minded people to cover this.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2017.05.23 17:27:10 -
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Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight
GG CCP |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6727
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Posted - 2017.05.23 20:26:02 -
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Julien Brellier wrote:Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight
GG CCP
It is certainly an oversight.
It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1371
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Posted - 2017.05.23 23:28:15 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Julien Brellier wrote:Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight
GG CCP It is certainly an oversight. It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there. Yes it is so much easier to fly all over new eden to do plex transactions rather than being able to remotely activate it.
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If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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