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CCP Falcon 13649	Posted - 2017.03.21 16:41:08 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. CCP Falcon \|\| EVE Universe Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

halfme00 M-M-EXPLORER Nulla Clementia 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:15:12 - [2] - Quote no comment
Kaivarian Coste Placid Peace Corps 139	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:15:17 - [3] - Quote interesting
SIEGE RED The Darwin Initiative 2	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:15:57 - [4] - Quote So no word on the market spikes? Incidentally, well done to engage on concerns!
Brian Paone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:16:17 - [5] - Quote Looks fine. I'm sure you'll keep us posted on the live date. Thanks for the info! o7
Courtie VX9 Industry And Manufacturing Inc 7	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:17:31 - [6] - Quote Don't mess with somethings that's not broken. The current PLEX system works, why change it?
Sylvia Kildare Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:18:21 - [7] - Quote I suppose I'm one of the vast numbers of people with less than 1000 AUR per each account at present. 3 months later is a bit of a wait, but glad to hear we'll be converted eventually, at least.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 540	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:20:40 - [8] - Quote rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free?
Marrisa Flash New Destiny Kingdom 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:23:11 - [9] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? Might wanna redo that math...
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot 75	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:25:08 - [10] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit.

Cristl 572	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:25:22 - [11] - Quote I think that players who were omega status when they received free aurum should get to have it converted. Also those who were alpha but whose account has purchased aurum at any time. Those who received it as an alpha can use the available time to add aurum via plex to make it over 1000 before the conversion date. Those who were alpha when they received free aurum, and who never purchased any with actual money, just have the aurum written off.
Querns GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2740	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:26:53 - [12] - Quote Good looking out on the brokers fee thing. Also, thanks for the clarification on the PLEX granularity thing. I was almost certain that <30 days of subscription time wouldn't happen, but it's still good to see some confirmation. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:27:34 - [13] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. If you need to protect new players, give them a warning if they try to undock with PLEX. This protects new players without destroying player-driven markets. This as bad if not worse than the update that killed the booster smuggling aspect of the game. Please do not destroy existing organic game-play. Dumbing down the game will probably help retain new players, but it will dismantle the things that made Eve great to begin with- an organic player-driven universe. Recent changes have be concerned. I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion. The arbitrary legality of boosters and the introduction of The Vault (aka hyper-spatial commodity teleporter) chips away at that immersion. With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator.
Marrisa Flash New Destiny Kingdom 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:29:06 - [14] - Quote Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. Your math is maybe a little better, but still not right.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 540	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:29:25 - [15] - Quote Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever.
Marrisa Flash New Destiny Kingdom 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:35:41 - [16] - Quote Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. If you need to protect new players, give them a warning if they try to undock with PLEX. This protects new players without destroying player-driven markets. This as bad if not worse than the update that killed the booster smuggling aspect of the game. Please do not destroy existing organic game-play. Dumbing down the game will probably help retain new players, but it will dismantle the things that made Eve great to begin with- an organic player-driven universe. Recent changes have be concerned. I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion. The arbitrary legality of boosters and the introduction of The Vault (aka hyper-spatial commodity teleporter) chips away at that immersion. With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator. I think the strong boosters should still be controlled substances at the least. I do not understand why CCP would remove one of the only mechanics of smuggling in the game.
Cade Windstalker 1142	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:37:35 - [17] - Quote Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. If you need to protect new players, give them a warning if they try to undock with PLEX. This protects new players without destroying player-driven markets. This as bad if not worse than the update that killed the booster smuggling aspect of the game. Please do not destroy existing organic game-play. Dumbing down the game will probably help retain new players, but it will dismantle the things that made Eve great to begin with- an organic player-driven universe. Recent changes have be concerned. I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion. The arbitrary legality of boosters and the introduction of The Vault (aka hyper-spatial commodity teleporter) chips away at that immersion. With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator. This already wasn't much of a concern, because it takes a few minutes and a character slot (and not even that now with Alphas) to buy a PLEX in Jita and then private contract it to your alt, at which point you can activate the PLEX remotely. It has been this way for years. The only people who need to pay something other than Jita prices for PLEX are people who aren't aware of this. The only people moving PLEX around are the few taking advantage of these few ignorant players (which probably won't change too much, let's be honest), RMTers intentionally losing PLEX to transfer ISK, and idiots. The only way this actually destroys your gameplay is if the vast majority of the playerbase suddenly starts reading available information, which seems unlikely.
Cristl 572	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:44:09 - [18] - Quote Con Solo wrote: You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations...I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion...With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator. Well, Mr Immersion, when you transfer money between accounts and people in real life do you carry it in a suitcase full of used bills, or use electronic means to transport it? I don't recall the Somalian pirates ever targeting ships carrying wallets - at least not full ones. I do remember American transport planes losing literally tonnes of US bills in Iraq. Like several Hercules' loads of $100 bills, but that's the exception, not the rule. Also: Americans. Also: RL politics restrictions in here. Google it. Denying people carrying PLEX seems to only hurt RMTers, and help newbies to me. Do you RMT Mr Immersion?
Katrina Bekers Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 266	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:47:19 - [19] - Quote I love how CCP is slowly discovering how its own game works - namely refunds, this time. Better late than never! Cheer!!! << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:51:32 - [20] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. If you need to protect new players, give them a warning if they try to undock with PLEX. This protects new players without destroying player-driven markets. This as bad if not worse than the update that killed the booster smuggling aspect of the game. Please do not destroy existing organic game-play. Dumbing down the game will probably help retain new players, but it will dismantle the things that made Eve great to begin with- an organic player-driven universe. Recent changes have be concerned. I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion. The arbitrary legality of boosters and the introduction of The Vault (aka hyper-spatial commodity teleporter) chips away at that immersion. With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator. This already wasn't much of a concern, because it takes a few minutes and a character slot (and not even that now with Alphas) to buy a PLEX in Jita and then private contract it to your alt, at which point you can activate the PLEX remotely. It has been this way for years. I'm not talking about activating PLEX or even purchasing PLEX for the purpose of activating. I'm talking about players who purchase PLEX w/real money to pump isk into their wallets. They will fill a buy order in their current system if they don't mind the loss of 20-30m if it means they don't have to travel all the way to Jita to get the best price. Of course they could just activate the PLEX on their alt and sell at Jita then transfer the isk. The fact that there is no way to transfer PLEX instantly creates a market where players either make that mistake, or when players pop someone moving PLEX and just want to liquidate in their current region no hassles. PLEX must remain exclusively a tangible movable object for purposes of buy orders. The margins between buys and sells, as well as regional disparity, will cease to exist.

Cristl 574	Posted - 2017.03.21 17:57:54 - [21] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever. No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX. I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were.
Con Solo Ministry of War Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:02:16 - [22] - Quote Cristl wrote: Con Solo wrote: You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations...I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion...With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator. Well, Mr Immersion, when you transfer money between accounts and people in real life do you carry it in a suitcase full of used bills, or use electronic means to transport it? I don't recall the Somalian pirates ever targeting ships carrying wallets - at least not full ones. I do remember American transport planes losing literally tonnes of US bills in Iraq. Like several Hercules' loads of $100 bills, but that's the exception, not the rule. Also: Americans. Also: RL politics restrictions in here. Google it. Denying people carrying PLEX seems to only hurt RMTers, and help newbies to me. Do you RMT Mr Immersion? Well Mr. Commercial Paper- money, bills, and shares all represent something of value, and unless you burn them they generally do not leave the market. Different from PLEX because it is valuable in and of itself; you can buy game time. Because it can be used up and taken away from the total volume of the market illustrates this inherent value. PLEX is therefore more like a usable commodity, and should be treated as a tangible thing. Also, I have no clue what RMT means. I've played Eve for sometime now but haven't heard the term until recently.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3545	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:05:54 - [23] - Quote Good call. I'm my own NPC alt.
MidnightWyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 362	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:09:35 - [24] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: The only way this actually destroys your gameplay is if the vast majority of the playerbase suddenly starts reading available information, which seems unlikely. I got a good laugh out of this one. It'd taking a god damned miracle to get even a small portion of the playerbase to actually pay attention to useful information. Rattati Senpai noticed us! See you in the next FPS! Alts: Saray Wyvern, Mobius Wyvern (Dust 514)
Cristl 574	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:17:00 - [25] - Quote Also, so people who Google stuff don't get confused, pick a new name for the combination currency. Such as MOOLA: Multiple Origin Omnifarious Liquid Asset. Or WONGA, but I can't make that work.
IcyMidnight Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind 11	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:25:48 - [26] - Quote Much better, thanks! Also please consider moving the PLEX Vault to Assets instead of inventory. Makes much more sense there since most of the time you wouldn't need access to it so there's no need to take up UI space. Also, ALSO: 25% SKIN sale so we can spend our AUR!
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3407	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:26:01 - [27] - Quote Seems pretty reasonable to me. Good changes. Signatures should be used responsibly...
Drabbin Mishi Excognative Ignorance Short Bus Syndicate 24	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:34:54 - [28] - Quote What will happen with unredeemed codes for the various Packs (like Explorer, etc.) that include 750 Aurum? Do they need to redeemed before the conversion? Or if they're redeemed after the conversion, will a converted-amount of new-PLEX be delivered instead?
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:35:39 - [29] - Quote Nice job, nicely handled. 10/10 G£à
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6564	Posted - 2017.03.21 18:44:27 - [30] - Quote Cristl wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever. No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX. I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were. Dust Aurum was inflated by a factor of 10. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Krieg Austern 48	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:10:10 - [31] - Quote These are good changes, kudos for listening to feedback. I can understand wanting to delay the changeover on smaller AUR balances, and not wanting to hit the market with a big flood of newplex all at once.
Cristl 574	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:23:23 - [32] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Cristl wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever. No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX. I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were. Dust Aurum was inflated by a factor of 10. A quick google indicates that it was still strictly real cash for dust-aurum though, so shouldn't they get NewPlex equal to their dust-aurum / 70? Otherwise that sounds well out of order. It's the same company after-all. Even big wanky companies like Blizzard, SOE etc allowed you to carry "gamecash" over to other games. That's really poor form
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:30:03 - [33] - Quote For the love of mothershippin' god, CCP, we just told you loud and clear that theft is a felony, but you want to steal at least something so badly you're going for aurum tokens? Can you do anything without theft? Also, the word "adjust" rubbed me wrong. I realize asking for warranties from CCP FullCon, being a full con and ****, is not really a warranty, but please spell out the following for me: "THE CONVERSION OF AURUM ACCOUNTS UNDER 1000 WILL GO AT THE SAME RATE AS THOSE ABOVE 1000, WHICH IS 7:1". Just to assure us "adjust" wasn't referring to the ratio. Also, please state directly that THE VAULT STAYS. I'm desperate for the ganker tears, and the tastiest of them all, RMTears.
Kevin Dogguide EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:32:27 - [34] - Quote I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting of hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players like me the choice to do what we want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way.
Cade Windstalker 1143	Posted - 2017.03.21 19:55:00 - [35] - Quote Con Solo wrote: I'm not talking about activating PLEX or even purchasing PLEX for the purpose of activating. I'm talking about players who purchase PLEX w/real money to pump isk into their wallets. They will fill a buy order in their current system if they don't mind the loss of 20-30m when it means they don't have to travel all the way to Jita to get the best price. Of course they could just activate the PLEX on their alt and sell at Jita then transfer the isk. The fact that there is no way to transfer PLEX instantly creates a market where players either make that mistake, or when players pop someone moving PLEX and just want to liquidate in their current region no hassles. PLEX must remain exclusively a tangible movable object for purposes of buy orders. The margins between buys and sells, as well as regional disparity, will cease to exist if the Vault is introduced. This relies on a lot of assumptions, namely a lot of stupid and that aforementioned ignorance of mechanics, both of which seem unlikely to change as a result of the PLEX vault. First off, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of PLEX is already redeemed in Jita. That's where the best Buy price is, so the only reason to transport it somewhere else is to put up a Sell order. Any higher buy prices are likely scam orders or one of the above ignorant individuals. If you even have access to a station with such an order you can just redeem your PLEX there before selling it if you bought it with real money. On top of that this all relies on the aforementioned ignorance of the mechanics. Anyone, no matter how remotely located, can make a trade alt and buy stuff in Jita. It then takes a grand total of 10k ISK to contract that item to their main, at which point it can be remotely activated no matter where in the universe you are. In short, there's already basically no reason for these disparities to exist, but they still do, because people are bad at reading, game mechanics, and economics. None of these seem likely to change since nowhere in the dev blog do the lines "fixed stupid" appear.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 4027	Posted - 2017.03.21 20:17:29 - [36] - Quote Another way to minimize shock to the new-plex market is to convert AUR under 1000 at the rate of 140 AU per month. It would take 7 months to get to zero, but it would be smoother than one big step. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6566	Posted - 2017.03.21 20:29:24 - [37] - Quote Kevin Dogguide wrote: I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. Uh.... You're _badly_ mistaken. All plex will be broken up into 500. If you want to get 30 days of game time, you use 500 plex (after they're broken up) to get 30 days of game time. There's absolutely no difference there. No need to buy new plex. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Considering that fees are entirely percentile, there's no difference there either. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 282	Posted - 2017.03.21 20:58:29 - [38] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: For the love of mothershippin' god, CCP, we just told you loud and clear that theft is a felony, but you want to steal at least something so badly you're going for aurum tokens? Can you do anything without theft? 1.) If you own aurum tokens, remove from market 2.) redeem as aurum. 3.) Use aurum or wait for changes. 4.) STFU because you sound like a 5yr old instead of an adult like most of us that play EvE. 5.) If you are not an adult, then i apologize and urge you to quit this mostly adult themed and operated player system/world CCP has given us. 6.) Have a nice day.
Agaroth Ethriael Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2017.03.21 21:15:28 - [39] - Quote I use a lot of plexs , I think this is really dumb to do I don't really like the idea
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1324	Posted - 2017.03.21 21:25:58 - [40] - Quote Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. Sorry to tell you but there has NEVER been a reason to haul plex from one system to another aside from RMTing or stupidity. This change does nothing that could not be done at any other time. I traded plex for a long time all over New Eden and never once undocked with a plex in a ship. The only players who need to be concerned with the Plex vault ability to move plex are RMT'rs because they will simply stand out so much.. (Won't stop it happening though) My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1325	Posted - 2017.03.21 21:33:49 - [41] - Quote Kevin Dogguide wrote: I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. "Breaking Plex" as you call it will do nothing to the value of your plex, it will simply appear differently. 1 Plex = 500 NewPlex = Same isk / game time value it has now. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Laechyd Eldgorn 0.0 POWERBLOCK Paisti Syndicate 57	Posted - 2017.03.21 22:12:44 - [42] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: Con Solo wrote: I'm not talking about activating PLEX or even purchasing PLEX for the purpose of activating. I'm talking about players who purchase PLEX w/real money to pump isk into their wallets. They will fill a buy order in their current system if they don't mind the loss of 20-30m when it means they don't have to travel all the way to Jita to get the best price. Of course they could just activate the PLEX on their alt and sell at Jita then transfer the isk. The fact that there is no way to transfer PLEX instantly creates a market where players either make that mistake, or when players pop someone moving PLEX and just want to liquidate in their current region no hassles. PLEX must remain exclusively a tangible movable object for purposes of buy orders. The margins between buys and sells, as well as regional disparity, will cease to exist if the Vault is introduced. This relies on a lot of assumptions, namely a lot of stupid and that aforementioned ignorance of mechanics, both of which seem unlikely to change as a result of the PLEX vault. First off, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of PLEX is already redeemed in Jita. That's where the best Buy price is, so the only reason to transport it somewhere else is to put up a Sell order. Any higher buy prices are likely scam orders or one of the above ignorant individuals. If you even have access to a station with such an order you can just redeem your PLEX there before selling it if you bought it with real money. On top of that this all relies on the aforementioned ignorance of the mechanics. Anyone, no matter how remotely located, can make a trade alt and buy stuff in Jita. It then takes a grand total of 10k ISK to contract that item to their main, at which point it can be remotely activated no matter where in the universe you are. In short, there's already basically no reason for these disparities to exist, but they still do, because people are bad at reading, game mechanics, and economics. None of these seem likely to change since nowhere in the dev blog do the lines "fixed stupid" appear. Nice amount of assumptions right there good sir. Big portion of people are not perfectionists who care about few million isk or making jita alts. It's not that they are stupid they just don't care so someone who cares can haul that stuff and get a little bit isk for it. Also prices have historically gone comfortably up and down so you can make quite nice profit if you are not in hurry. It's not like it takes down eve economy but dumbing down everything doesn't seem best way to do it. I wouldn't expect much since afaik game has gone pretty much magical pony mode, no one even cares about belt rats anymore it just doesn't make money unless you are multiboxing supercapitals.
Laoshi Wang Exul Fossores 0	Posted - 2017.03.21 22:13:52 - [43] - Quote Praise to the EVE team at CCP for listening to and reacting on player (customer) feedback so quickly! Very rare nowadays.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2683	Posted - 2017.03.21 22:25:40 - [44] - Quote woohoo can't wait for my 7 miniplex to show up selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 465	Posted - 2017.03.21 22:55:25 - [45] - Quote What if players could not put PLEX back into the PLEX vault, just out of it? Keep current PLEX activation menu idea filled with the new PLEX options. Just have the wizard select the source; PLEX vault or local hanger. "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Cade Windstalker 1144	Posted - 2017.03.21 23:23:46 - [46] - Quote Laechyd Eldgorn wrote: Nice amount of assumptions right there good sir. Big portion of people are not perfectionists who care about few million isk or making jita alts. It's not that they are stupid they just don't care so someone who cares can haul that stuff and get a little bit isk for it. Also prices have historically gone comfortably up and down so you can make quite nice profit if you are not in hurry. It's not like it takes down eve economy but dumbing down everything doesn't seem best way to do it. I wouldn't expect much since afaik game has gone pretty much magical pony mode, no one even cares about belt rats anymore it just doesn't make money unless you are multiboxing supercapitals. First off, I tried to label all of my assumptions in there, but the main one is pretty much that people will continue to fail to read, transport PLEX stupidly, and thus lose expensive Kestrels. If that wasn't clear enough then consider this formal notification that I consider that to be an assumption on my part, but not a particularly far reaching one. After all you can't patch stupid. Also that note about PLEX prices has literally nothing to do with what I said, or with this change. Nothing here is being "dumbed down". If you put PLEX in your cargo it's going to be just as easy to lose, and only very very slightly easier to avoid doing that entirely if you know what you're doing at all remotely. You appear to have been somewhat misinformed about Belt Rats... those have never been a top-tier income activity and they still aren't. People playing around with Supers and Titans run Anomalies. Belt Ratting in Low and Null is still an intro PvE activity, just as it always has been in High Sec for ages, and people still do it when they can't or won't do Anoms, Missions, or any of the other dozen things that have always paid better.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2017.03.21 23:56:24 - [47] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: 1.) If you own aurum tokens, remove from market 2.) redeem as aurum. 3.) Use aurum or wait for changes. 4.) STFU because you sound like a 5yr old instead of an adult like most of us that play EvE. 5.) If you are not an adult, then i apologize and urge you to quit this mostly adult themed and operated player system/world CCP has given us. 6.) Have a nice day. 1) I don't have to own aurum tokens to consider removing them without compensation an act of theft. Just as threatening to remove my 500 AUR I paid for would've been. 2) Because you personally are not involved, anyone who is should STFU or be accused of misbehaving? Logic, mothershipper, do you speak it? 3) Please let me speak to you as adultiously as you deserved: fork off, sorry ass.
Jerel Andomer Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:14:11 - [48] - Quote Quote: Our current plan is that PLEX will only be redeemed for game time in 30 day chunks, just like now. If you were worried about seeing cyno alts subbed for 3 hours at a time, donGÇÖt worry. Could you be more transparent? Why would players be worried about having more flexibility in how we pay for our play. The only people who care are the accountants because they know and -Hint Hint- so do we that a lot of players would only sub their accounts for the time period they actually want to play for. It's cool that you don't want to do this but don't pretend like you're doing it for our benefit. Just Frig It.
Aves Asio 56	Posted - 2017.03.22 00:21:13 - [49] - Quote Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1?
TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 465	Posted - 2017.03.22 01:09:34 - [50] - Quote Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? The discontinuing of Aurum. "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 285	Posted - 2017.03.22 03:51:45 - [51] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: 1) I don't have to own aurum tokens to consider removing them without compensation an act of theft. Just as threatening to remove my 500 AUR I paid for would've been. 2) Because you personally are not involved, anyone who is should STFU or be accused of misbehaving? Logic, mothershipper, do you speak it? 3) Please let me speak to you as adultiously as you deserved: fork off, sorry ass. 1.) removing them is not theft, not when you have plenty of time to change them into aurum or sell them. So there is no threat as there was to direct aurum itself. 2.) Who says I was not involved? and yes quit your QQ, it is unbecoming of someone with options in regards to the aurum tokens you have no reason for it. (logic) 3.) When you can spoon yourself first then I will Fork off, otherwise this convo is done.......besides why a Fork? are not Sporks more useful?
Professor JinMine Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 8	Posted - 2017.03.22 04:55:25 - [52] - Quote Quote: Hopefully, with adequate warning, orders can be set up with release date in mind to minimize wasted fees. So you will give us 90 days notice, right?
Caitlyn Rempal Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 05:25:09 - [53] - Quote My biggest concern is the HUGE Plex vault being forced into the inventory window - PLEASE just make the vault accessible in the main menu and on the neocom like how we'd access the store in the current implementation. We know the cross-linking is already doable - we do it with skins for example, already.
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 724	Posted - 2017.03.22 06:58:20 - [54] - Quote Team Size Matters wrote: Next up: Aurum conversion for players with Aurum balances of 1000 or less. The goal behind the initial plan was to minimize devaluation of PLEX at launch due to Aurum stockpiles entering the market, which is still a big priority, but, we hear you loud and clear that leaving some balances to not be converted is not a good enough solution. This is what you get from our feedback? Players are pissed that you would just delete their <1000 aurum (and some of them paid RL cash for that currency) not how PLEX would devaluate. In terms of how you get money from players you are walking on thin ice here. Carefull to not fell into cold water. Still didn't see CSM statement about this proposal. None of them thought it would just be stealing from playerbase? Vincent Athena wrote: Another way to minimize shock to the new-plex market is to convert AUR under 1000 at the rate of 140 AU per month. It would take 7 months to get to zero, but it would be smoother than one big step. Listen to The Man. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville If you need a scout mail me.
Luc Chastot 703	Posted - 2017.03.22 07:05:52 - [55] - Quote Got a few questions: 1. Regarding no game time shorter than 30 days: a) Can't you create a new clone state for that? b) Can't you offer weeks instead of hours? 2. Are you planning to offer MCT in smaller chunks of time? Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.
Lavayar russian sobr Dream Fleet 305	Posted - 2017.03.22 08:49:40 - [56] - Quote And what about PLEX Vault? Will it be removed? It is one of substantial points.
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp 290	Posted - 2017.03.22 11:23:42 - [57] - Quote Still the same ridiculocity. Especially ridiculous is a claim of "devaluation of PLEX". It won't "devalue" for more than a single month, if at all. People would rather use up their AUR stock to prolong their own accounts than to crash the market with PLEX. And there was never a reason to "stockpile" AUR in first place. Somebody lost their brains over this topic. Two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. -- Harlan Ellison
Bantara Dolmite Cornerstone 50	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:05:46 - [58] - Quote I was not concerned about 3-hr cyno alts. I was interested in not having to measure my availability to play the game in increments of months.
Bantara Dolmite Cornerstone 50	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:20:58 - [59] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Kevin Dogguide wrote: I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. Uh.... You're _badly_ mistaken. All plex will be broken up into 500. If you want to get 30 days of game time, you use 500 plex (after they're broken up) to get 30 days of game time. There's absolutely no difference there. No need to buy new plex. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Cade Windstalker wrote: The only way this actually destroys your gameplay is if the vast majority of the playerbase suddenly starts reading available information, which seems unlikely.
B Paone Port Nowhere Authority 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 12:39:28 - [60] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: For the love of mothershippin' god, CCP, we just told you loud and clear that theft is a felony, but you want to steal at least something so badly you're going for aurum tokens? Can you do anything without theft? Also, the word "adjust" rubbed me wrong. I realize asking for warranties from CCP FullCon, being a full con and ****, is not really a warranty, but please spell out the following for me: "THE CONVERSION OF AURUM ACCOUNTS UNDER 1000 WILL GO AT THE SAME RATE AS THOSE ABOVE 1000, WHICH IS 7:1". Just to assure us "adjust" wasn't referring to the ratio. Also, please state directly that THE VAULT STAYS. I'm desperate for the ganker tears, and the tastiest of them all, RMTears. Son, you need to calm down and read your ToS and EULA. They aren't stealing anything. They already owned everything in everyone's hangar and game wallet. We don't pay for ownership of digital items here; we pay to rent them, with CCP retaining full control. At least CCP listens to feedback. Ever play a game where the devs didn't do that? Try SWTOR sometime - if you can stomach how "accessible" it's been made. (Would you believe me if I told you that, once upon a time, one had to put a little thought into their characters' builds there? Seems so long ago. And don't get me started on Galactic Starfighter...) This May will mark my 20-year anniversary as an online gamer. Take the observation as you will, but this is definitely one of the more responsive and respectable game companies I've seen. They ain't EA. They ain't Ubi. They ain't Perfect World or Turbine or Frontier or any of those other money-grubbin' wanks. Try not to fire off on these people with the same reckless abandon one would reserve for the aforementioned. (Or don't. I ain't your parole officer, probably.)

El Geo Warcrows 228	Posted - 2017.03.22 13:45:48 - [61] - Quote Maybe some confusion lay in the wording of Team Size Matters wrote: Smaller PLEX The first component of our plan is focused on making PLEX more flexible. Currently, PLEX is rather large. By always existing as a one-month chunk of subscription time, PLEX can be cumbersome to buy and trade. We think it would be great if it could be broken into smaller units that fit your needs rather than always being bound to the size of 30 days. With that in mind, our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 Plex from CCP will instead require 500 Plex. This new PLEX granularity will allow us to sell smaller PLEX packages, and allow you to trade whatever amounts you like with each other. Personally I think it would be amazing if players could get gametime in 5 day increments and would think it a pretty popular choice for more casual players. CDIA Based overlay resource for After Effects 6 Eve pathfinders Youtube
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2017.03.22 13:47:23 - [62] - Quote Idea for the aurum tokens: Make them a useless vanity item and give the people who still have them the equivalent in new plex items. Call it a legacy item from EVE days gone by and let them brag about them without any redemption value?
mkint 1669	Posted - 2017.03.22 14:40:46 - [63] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Idea for the aurum tokens: Make them a useless vanity item and give the people who still have them the equivalent in new plex items. Call it a legacy item from EVE days gone by and let them brag about them without any redemption value? Didn't you get the memo? CCP's only allowed to be quirky and fun around Christmas, and even then only in an artificial manufactured kind of way. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Zinn Tesla Hadron Quantum Convent 40	Posted - 2017.03.22 15:47:53 - [64] - Quote No word on the obtrusive and unnecessary PLEX Vault in the inventory window? Why, other than having a constant advertisement up in a window I have open far more often than the character sheet, is this PLEX Vault placed there? Why can't this remain part of the character sheet? Funny how "Transfer PLEX to another character", ostensibly the reason for this vault to begin with, is not actually one of the option buttons available in the PLEX Vault. Only buttons that, in one way or another, put money in CCP's pocket or convert to another currency (ISK).
Kevin Dogguide EVE University Ivy League 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 17:09:25 - [65] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Uh.... You're _badly_ mistaken. All plex will be broken up into 500. If you want to get 30 days of game time, you use 500 plex (after they're broken up) to get 30 days of game time. There's absolutely no difference there. No need to buy new plex. I have no idea where you got that idea from. Considering that fees are entirely percentile, there's no difference there either. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. It's widely known that you can buy a large thing, break it up into smaller pieces, and sell off the smaller pieces for a larger total sum than you would have received for the single big piece. This happens in every avenue of life. From large companies to the auto scrap yard that buys a $500 junker and sells the parts off for more than what was paid for the car. When you buy a cheesecake slice in the restaurant do you think that small slice is $5?
Sister Stetille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.22 19:36:17 - [66] - Quote Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? It's the next step in going FTP. Eventually the only way to gain SP will be from injectors that can only be obtained from NEX, and 2.4m isk for 4k sp is easier for new players than 1.2b for 2m SP.
Zinn Tesla Hadron Quantum Convent 40	Posted - 2017.03.22 20:52:00 - [67] - Quote Sister Stetille wrote: Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? It's the next step in going FTP. Eventually the only way to gain SP will be from injectors that can only be obtained from NEX, and 2.4m isk for 4k sp is easier for new players than 1.2b for 2m SP. Maybe, prior to such a change, we can get CCP to put another monument in Jita to blow up when the playerbase rages. This^^ WILL be the end of Eve.
Sylvia Kildare Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2017.03.23 02:18:31 - [68] - Quote Zinn Tesla Hadron wrote: Sister Stetille wrote: Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? It's the next step in going FTP. Eventually the only way to gain SP will be from injectors that can only be obtained from NEX, and 2.4m isk for 4k sp is easier for new players than 1.2b for 2m SP. Maybe, prior to such a change, we can get CCP to put another monument in Jita to blow up when the playerbase rages. This^^ WILL be the end of Eve. Yeah... as someone who has never used an injector (sure, my 3 main toons were high enough SP when the system was introduced that they couldn't have participated without a lot of waste)... if passive training for our sub/PLEX was eliminated and the only way to skill was by spending ISK to skill... not sure I'd be continuing to sub/PLEX 3 accounts for much longer.
Sister Stetille University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2017.03.23 03:31:09 - [69] - Quote Sylvia Kildare wrote: Zinn Tesla Hadron wrote: Sister Stetille wrote: Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? It's the next step in going FTP. Eventually the only way to gain SP will be from injectors that can only be obtained from NEX, and 2.4m isk for 4k sp is easier for new players than 1.2b for 2m SP. Maybe, prior to such a change, we can get CCP to put another monument in Jita to blow up when the playerbase rages. This^^ WILL be the end of Eve. Yeah... as someone who has never used an injector (sure, my 3 main toons were high enough SP when the system was introduced that they couldn't have participated without a lot of waste)... if passive training for our sub/PLEX was eliminated and the only way to skill was by spending ISK to skill... not sure I'd be continuing to sub/PLEX 3 accounts for much longer. But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out. They have already made steps this direction, not only with the injectors (which are widely accepted), but also with Alpha clone states (again widely accepted), and the typical FTP dual currency model (also widely accepted). Only a few more changes and they would be ready to flip the switch.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 289	Posted - 2017.03.23 04:35:59 - [70] - Quote Sister Stetille wrote: But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out. I will answer this question of why, The answer is this: You do not kill things for Skill/Experience pts, so your character does not level up. There is no leveling up, just studying as in Real Life. As in Real Life you never stop learning, so even logged out if the que is full/set you never quit skilling up. There is no logic in getting rid of this type of SP gain as there is no other way to gain SP. To go full **** on just buying SP and giving the game free reign to Wallet Warriors only will definitely kill EvE. Might as well just change the name to Vega Conflict @ that point and be done with it because the only people playing soon after (1-3 yrs tops) will be PvP and those who pay only for their stuff with RL cash, cash for SP, cash for PLEX (at first till the farmers finally leave) to buy ships and gear. Sister Stetille wrote:** They have already made steps this direction, not only with the injectors (which are widely accepted), but also with Alpha clone states (again widely accepted), and the typical FTP dual currency model (also widely accepted). Only a few more changes and they would be ready to flip the switch. Hmm flip the switch...........I am sure many like me will leave the game at that point, either just straight quit logging in, RMT their stuff and then quit logging in, or dump everything on the markets destroying them for at least a month then quit..........any which way is death sentence for EvE, what people like you are advocating is the fact EvE is still on life support and you have not realized that yet. Veterans are waiting for something special and you are trying to say its all right to push us out the door. Wake up, its the vets keeping this game alive one way or another not the FOTM wallet warriors that cant handle this game and keep trying to change it into Star Trek, Battlstar galactica, Star Wars, WoW.........and that is a mini short list of the issues the Dev's are doing to this game.

ashton wiler OPERE CA Drifting Sleeper Alliance 5	Posted - 2017.03.23 07:34:31 - [71] - Quote Still not good enough. People paid real money for something you said you would honor. The fact you considered theft of your players is shameful and had you gone through with it would have been a crime and illegal. Now your saying your going to abolish aurum tokens its still THEFT! You created aurum now you get to deal with any problems its caused, not your players. Delaying the conversion is also not tolerable, your essentially freezing someone's bank account. Money they spent to support the further development of eve and supported your paycheck and livelihood. This is fraud. You don't get to take the easy way out here. Your attempting to steal people's money. Its your game and you can do whatever you want but the stain on your reputation not to mention the legal position your putting the company in is astonishing to steal a few bucks from your customers. You are talking about wiping out thousands maybe tens of thousands of dollars worth of money. In what world is that acceptable? Not this one plenty of laws cover this sort of fraud. For your sake I hope you reconsider your stance on aurum. I dont always agree with the things ccp does with eve but this is the first time ive been ashamed of the company enough not to want to spend my hard earned money supporting it. I've read your newest dev blog just wow unacceptable, shameful I still am just disappointed. Welcome to the ****** developers list. This is a new low. Unsubbed...
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1331	Posted - 2017.03.23 11:22:56 - [72] - Quote ashton wiler wrote: Still not good enough. People paid real money for something you said you would honor. The fact you considered theft of your players is shameful and had you gone through with it would have been a crime and illegal. Now your saying your going to abolish aurum tokens its still THEFT! You created aurum now you get to deal with any problems its caused, not your players. Delaying the conversion is also not tolerable, your essentially freezing someone's bank account. Money they spent to support the further development of eve and supported your paycheck and livelihood. This is fraud. You don't get to take the easy way out here. Your attempting to steal people's money. Its your game and you can do whatever you want but the stain on your reputation not to mention the legal position your putting the company in is astonishing to steal a few bucks from your customers. You are talking about wiping out thousands maybe tens of thousands of dollars worth of money. In what world is that acceptable? Not this one plenty of laws cover this sort of fraud. For your sake I hope you reconsider your stance on aurum. I dont always agree with the things ccp does with eve but this is the first time ive been ashamed of the company enough not to want to spend my hard earned money supporting it. I've read your newest dev blog just wow unacceptable, shameful I still am just disappointed. Welcome to the ****** developers list. This is a new low. Unsubbed... Problem CCP is facing (I'm not defending their actions, just putting forth a different scenario) they gave everyone 300 AUR as a xmas gift, converting all that to NewPlex at the time of the changes would have a massive effect on the Plex market. Leaving the conversion of amounts less than 1,000 is not ideal but the best option over just losing it. I have 11 characters received the Xmas gift, I'm ok waiting a while to get free newplex from CCP. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Krieg Austern 49	Posted - 2017.03.23 12:15:47 - [73] - Quote As far as user interface goes, the PLEX Vault should be made part of the wallet, seeing as it's directly tied into cash transactions, whether they be RL PLEX purchases on the site, or buying items from the NES. If you want to carry/sell/something PLEX, you can withdraw any quantity you need to your item hangar then deal with it appropriately, or move it back into PLEX Vault. Seeing the PLEX Vault in every inventory window is highly redundant imho.
TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 467	Posted - 2017.03.23 12:36:44 - [74] - Quote Zinn Tesla Hadron wrote: Sister Stetille wrote: Aves Asio wrote: Whats the point of granularity if you have to inject 500 instead of 1? It's the next step in going FTP. Eventually the only way to gain SP will be from injectors that can only be obtained from NEX, and 2.4m isk for 4k sp is easier for new players than 1.2b for 2m SP. Maybe, prior to such a change, we can get CCP to put another monument in Jita to blow up when the playerbase rages. This^^ WILL be the end of Eve. I would love it for fleets that I join that are not kitchen sink, but where CCP has invented that 1 skill somewhere that I need to fly the fit that I could fly 3 years ago. (Tiercide stuff for example, mostly grid / cpu errors on fits). "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1331	Posted - 2017.03.24 02:25:43 - [75] - Quote Krieg Austern wrote: As far as user interface goes, the PLEX Vault should be made part of the wallet, seeing as it's directly tied into cash transactions, whether they be RL PLEX purchases on the site, or buying items from the NES. If you want to carry/sell/something PLEX, you can withdraw any quantity you need to your item hangar then deal with it appropriately, or move it back into PLEX Vault. Seeing the PLEX Vault in every inventory window is highly redundant imho. Not redundant at all, it is a blatant ploy to get people to buy more plex. For some reason the marketing team are under the illusion that if they push BUY PLEX on the player base at every opportunity - They will. Now to really push the message home the same tactic is to be present for the whole time you are logged in and in a station or Citadel. You are right, the vault should be connected to a players wallet or more appropriately in the mainly unused "Pilot License" section of the character sheet. The only problem with having the vault in an appropriate place is that it isn't in a players face all day and marketing is afraid they won't get that extra person to BUY PLEX if it isn't Highly visible (and totally annoying) by putting it somewhere you can't ignore it. The BEST thing about Eve was knowing no-one was trying to force you to spend more than you could afford or wanted to spend. The current proposed placement of the VAULT changes that to turn CCP into just another money grubbing game publisher. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Suicide Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2017.03.25 00:41:50 - [76] - Quote Few thoughts. First, still hate theo PLEX Vault, you should never be able to safely move items between systems like this. Redeem it where you need it, or learn to take the risks. (And I say this as someone who used to use an alt for moving PLEX's around to play the market. Risk/Reward) Second, the delay on the >1000 Aurum Conversion. Love it. I don't mind delays. That said, if you would let us transfer our Aurum it would make things so much easier. I could have enough on one account for PLEX, or items from the NEX store. Third. Aurum Tokens. Why do you tell us to convert them to the currency? Are you saying anyone not paying attention, or like me unable to log in (I'm away from highspeed net, with a very low data cap atm, unable to download the client :( ) will be SOL when the conversion happens? That seems silly, and wrong. You should convert them too just as if they were in the system already. Last. Aurum Tokens. Please give those of us who still have them some memento from them. Like a single vanity Aurum Token per character/account with the tokens. These haven't been handed out for ages, they are defacto collectors items for many people. I think an ingame reminder of them is earned.
Karmen Baric State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2017.03.26 06:57:47 - [77] - Quote Plex Vault sounds like a good idea and agree that the PLEX Vault should be made part of the wallet. Also great move by spreading AUR to Plex exchange 3 months for limits under 1000AUR. Everyone wins with this solution, no one loses out. As for Aurum Tokens im good with people needing to use them before this change to get thier worth for what the item is.
Richard TheLordOfDance Operation Fishbowl Inc. 21	Posted - 2017.03.27 06:47:29 - [78] - Quote Seeing as the problems with the PLEX Vault was not addressed in the blog I will just quote what I wrote the last time on how you could fix peoples main concerns with it (mine included). Quote: I like all the changes, and understand from a gamedesign point of view why this is happening, except how the PLEX vault would work. So I would like to make some suggestions on how to improve it and fix the main problem. The only real problem with the Vault is that it makes PLEXes a virtual item accessible from anywhere, which goes against the whole philosophy of EVE. To change this I would make the Vault a physical place and PLEXes a physical item. You would still be able to exchange them for game time or use them to shop in the New Eden Store from anywhere in the universe but you would only be able to sell them where they are being stored. If you would like them somewhere else, for selling or any other reason, you would still have to physically move them to that location. Regarding where PLEXes bought from CCP would appear I would make players choose a main Vault the first time they buy PLEX where it will spawn in from then on, you should be able to change this location though to match the current system of redeeming. Moving this location should not move the PLEXes being kept there though only where new ones would appear when buying from CCP. (you could also make it toggleable option so you can choose where they appear for every time you buy them) Since new players not understanding that they can loose PLEXes when they go out flying with them is an issue trying to be addressed, put up some big red letters telling them the risks when choosing your primary vault and when you try to take them out of the Vault. (of course you should be able to choose if the warning should appear every time) Also, there's a spelling error in the first sentence of the blog "Last week we announced plans to update PLEX, which you can ready about here.", just for any devs reading this that likes fixing such things.
Quince Ozuwara Cretus Incendium Electus Matari 0	Posted - 2017.03.27 16:27:04 - [79] - Quote Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: Seeing as the problems with the PLEX Vault was not addressed in the blog I will just quote what I wrote the last time on how you could fix peoples main concerns with it (mine included). Not liking, or not agreeing with, a new feature isn't something the Devs are going to address; the Q& A's posted to date make that abundantly clear. PLEX Vault, and the removal of physical game time and real money theft from the game is welcome. Steal/ gank/ scam all of the in-game items to your hearts content, but it's past time that CCP remove PLEX tanking from the game for good.
Krynn Fennir Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team 5	Posted - 2017.03.28 11:32:21 - [80] - Quote Move the Plex Vault to the bottom of the Inventory Index. For those of us that play EVE, it will be used far less than Ship Hangar, Item, etc.

Khan Wrenth Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation 764	Posted - 2017.03.29 04:32:50 - [81] - Quote Kind of on topic, in a roundabout way. You know how I first heard of EvE online? There was this Cracked.com article written many years ago (quality of content has slipped lately). Anyway, the article was "10 biggest d*k moves ever pulled off in videogames". EvE online had three* entries in that one article. One of those entries was a quick story about a guy who bought a bunch of plex, and well, let's just say the loot fairy said "no". My first impression of EvE was that story. A game where something real and substantial - game time - could be purchased, and if you f*ed up, it was gone forever. No refunds, no restores, no save points, nadda. And in a world where there's a deluge of video games that fill virtually every other category, things like that made EvE stand out. It's obvious that the powers that be have now decided that the vault is going to be a thing. I'm just popping in to say, that it's a bummer. I' not going to rage or pretend I have excessively strong emotions on this one. But yes, I feel it's a bit of a lame move. Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Sylvia Kildare Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2017.04.01 00:17:19 - [82] - Quote Sister Stetille wrote: Sylvia Kildare wrote: Yeah... as someone who has never used an injector (sure, my 3 main toons were high enough SP when the system was introduced that they couldn't have participated without a lot of waste)... if passive training for our sub/PLEX was eliminated and the only way to skill was by spending ISK to skill... not sure I'd be continuing to sub/PLEX 3 accounts for much longer. But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out. They have already made steps this direction, not only with the injectors (which are widely accepted), but also with Alpha clone states (again widely accepted), and the typical FTP dual currency model (also widely accepted). Only a few more changes and they would be ready to flip the switch. I'm sure I'm not the only subber who enjoys the passive 24/7/365 training nature of EVE. If you go to the skills forum, you will find dozens of the super-old/super-dedicated skillers who've managed to get 200 skills to L5 or are at 200,000,000+ SP (naturally, no injectors), etc. All of these things CCP has added to EVE that you mention haven't directly impacted the standard pay to play+skill each month format that so many of us are accustomed to. If CCP doesn't feel anyone who enjoys skilling whether they log in or not each month and "flips that switch," as you say, I think they're going to find a loooooot of people are disgruntled. Way more than usually claim to quit each and every nerf/patch. If their target audience is nothing but new people, then get ready to lose tons of old people (aka the EVE playerbase). Max Deveron wrote: Veterans are waiting for something special and you are trying to say its all right to push us out the door. Wake up, its the vets keeping this game alive one way or another not the FOTM wallet warriors that cant handle this game and keep trying to change it into Star Trek, Battlstar galactica, Star Wars, WoW.........and that is a mini short list of the issues the Dev's are doing to this game. Amen to that. Of course game companies want to get new consumers, but they can't just toss the old ones out with the bathwater. That is a risky move, assuming you can get N+x back to replace the N you've just alienated.
Freelancer117 so you want to be a Hero 526	Posted - 2017.04.04 20:37:28 - [83] - Quote I think the idea of a Plex vault is faulty, New Eden is a dangerous environment with risks (for traders and freelancers) and rewards (for pirates and gankers). If you travel around with one old Plex (or soon 500 mini plex) you bound to get ganked when the risc vs reward favors that, However CCP has made it possible to mitigate the risc vs reward factor by 1/500 coz carrying one mini plex around is soon possible. The Plex vault is superfluous because the capsuleers can decide in an open world sandbox how low or high a risc they want to take Eve online is : A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg http://bit.ly/1egr4mF
Devon Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2017.04.07 01:27:08 - [84] - Quote Freelancer117 wrote: I think the idea of a Plex vault is faulty, New Eden is a dangerous environment with risks (for traders and freelancers) and rewards (for pirates and gankers). If you travel around with one old Plex (or soon 500 mini plex) you bound to get ganked when the risc vs reward favors that, Umm, no, you are the only one faulty here. ISK is not an item you carry around in your cargo hold, or pod. Plex will be as it should have been the whole time, currency.
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2017.04.10 18:24:44 - [85] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. Sorry to tell you but there has NEVER been a reason to haul plex from one system to another aside from RMTing or stupidity. This change does nothing that could not be done at any other time. I traded plex for a long time all over New Eden and never once undocked with a plex in a ship. The only players who need to be concerned with the Plex vault ability to move plex are RMT'rs because they will simply stand out so much.. (Won't stop it happening though) Don't forget the obvious, we have an influx of new players who are buying plex. They are neither stupid or RMT'rs they simply do not know. Whilst some seem to think that a death sentence is perfectly reasonable for not knowing Every aspect of EVE, and some claim that is the reason they joined the game, I find that hardly credible, no one joins a game because it is fun to be screwed over. Maybe they just liked the chance to screw others over? CCP however see that new players, buying and losing plex the first time they spend money know perfectly well, as we should, that that is an unmitigated disaster for them and destroys the likelihood of them staying in the game, and spending money again, ever, and took action accordingly. They would have been stupid, negligent and downright suicidal to do otherwise. Apologies for those who mourn the loss of opportunity to profit from others distress, but HTFU! CCP does not owe players the right, or are players entitled to the perpetual suffering of younger players, at the expense of the wider game.
Benje en Divalone Etnica Holdings Ltd. 0	Posted - 2017.04.11 19:43:44 - [86] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Don't forget the obvious, we have an influx of new players who are buying plex. They are neither stupid or RMT'rs they simply do not know. ... CCP however see that new players, buying and losing plex the first time they spend money know perfectly well, as we should, that that is an unmitigated disaster for them and destroys the likelihood of them staying in the game, and spending money again, ever, and took action accordingly. Losing PLEX to a gank has been a thing for years and CCP hasn't done a thing to mitigate it. Why now? I guess a change of heart is possible. They did announce hi-sec PvE changes at FF. You've got a fairly sizable population in hi-sec so maybe CCP's attitude is changing. Not sure I believe that theory. The clone-state change did bring a bunch of new players (ohai). Perhaps they had a large enough wave of chargebacks which triggered sanctions by their payment processor(s).
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1331	Posted - 2017.04.12 04:57:00 - [87] - Quote Alderson Point wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. Sorry to tell you but there has NEVER been a reason to haul plex from one system to another aside from RMTing or stupidity. This change does nothing that could not be done at any other time. I traded plex for a long time all over New Eden and never once undocked with a plex in a ship. The only players who need to be concerned with the Plex vault ability to move plex are RMT'rs because they will simply stand out so much.. (Won't stop it happening though) Don't forget the obvious, we have an influx of new players who are buying plex. They are neither stupid or RMT'rs they simply do not know. Whilst some seem to think that a death sentence is perfectly reasonable for not knowing Every aspect of EVE, and some claim that is the reason they joined the game, I find that hardly credible, no one joins a game because it is fun to be screwed over. Maybe they just liked the chance to screw others over? CCP however see that new players, buying and losing plex the first time they spend money know perfectly well, as we should, that that is an unmitigated disaster for them and destroys the likelihood of them staying in the game, and spending money again, ever, and took action accordingly. They would have been stupid, negligent and downright suicidal to do otherwise. Apologies for those who mourn the loss of opportunity to profit from others distress, but HTFU! CCP does not owe players the right, or are players entitled to the perpetual suffering of younger players, at the expense of the wider game. This influx of new players I gather you are referring to Alpha's? Many of whom will never buy plex as it is not part of "free to play". And while yes there does need to be some limited protection for "new" players buying plex, that protection could be handled by a warning stating something like "It is not safe to carry this item in your cargo hold" redeem it where you plan on using it. CCP also does not "owe" new players more protection than is afforded to anyone else. Warn them of the risks for sure but never remove risk. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Alderson Point Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2017.04.17 09:30:58 - [88] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Alderson Point wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Con Solo wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey guys, Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX. Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out. Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help. Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread. You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat. Please do not make PLEX a special Item. Sorry to tell you but there has NEVER been a reason to haul plex from one system to another aside from RMTing or stupidity. This change does nothing that could not be done at any other time. I traded plex for a long time all over New Eden and never once undocked with a plex in a ship. The only players who need to be concerned with the Plex vault ability to move plex are RMT'rs because they will simply stand out so much.. (Won't stop it happening though) Don't forget the obvious, we have an influx of new players who are buying plex. They are neither stupid or RMT'rs they simply do not know. Whilst some seem to think that a death sentence is perfectly reasonable for not knowing Every aspect of EVE, and some claim that is the reason they joined the game, I find that hardly credible, no one joins a game because it is fun to be screwed over. Maybe they just liked the chance to screw others over? CCP however see that new players, buying and losing plex the first time they spend money know perfectly well, as we should, that that is an unmitigated disaster for them and destroys the likelihood of them staying in the game, and spending money again, ever, and took action accordingly. They would have been stupid, negligent and downright suicidal to do otherwise. Apologies for those who mourn the loss of opportunity to profit from others distress, but HTFU! CCP does not owe players the right, or are players entitled to the perpetual suffering of younger players, at the expense of the wider game. This influx of new players I gather you are referring to Alpha's? Many of whom will never buy plex as it is not part of "free to play". And while yes there does need to be some limited protection for "new" players buying plex, that protection could be handled by a warning stating something like "It is not safe to carry this item in your cargo hold" redeem it where you plan on using it. CCP also does not "owe" new players more protection than is afforded to anyone else. Warn them of the risks for sure but never remove risk. It can be argued that "I have played longer than you, sucks to be you" is something that needs a little touch of balancing if CCP are not to waste all their hard work. Now players that have spent time improving their skills, and honing their tactics, should certainly have a natural advantage. "I know and you don't " is not really something that deserves rewards on the scale of plex drops.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 280	Posted - 2017.04.18 15:09:48 - [89] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: rofl so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free? No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit. Changes look good to me. i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever. To be fair thats your own fault, it was not hard to be competitive for free at all. Aurum was pointless cause protosuits only cost 100-200k a suit and were easy to skil into.
Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 280	Posted - 2017.04.18 15:15:07 - [90] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: ashton wiler wrote: Still not good enough. People paid real money for something you said you would honor. The fact you considered theft of your players is shameful and had you gone through with it would have been a crime and illegal. Now your saying your going to abolish aurum tokens its still THEFT! You created aurum now you get to deal with any problems its caused, not your players. Delaying the conversion is also not tolerable, your essentially freezing someone's bank account. Money they spent to support the further development of eve and supported your paycheck and livelihood. This is fraud. You don't get to take the easy way out here. Your attempting to steal people's money. Its your game and you can do whatever you want but the stain on your reputation not to mention the legal position your putting the company in is astonishing to steal a few bucks from your customers. You are talking about wiping out thousands maybe tens of thousands of dollars worth of money. In what world is that acceptable? Not this one plenty of laws cover this sort of fraud. For your sake I hope you reconsider your stance on aurum. I dont always agree with the things ccp does with eve but this is the first time ive been ashamed of the company enough not to want to spend my hard earned money supporting it. I've read your newest dev blog just wow unacceptable, shameful I still am just disappointed. Welcome to the ****** developers list. This is a new low. Unsubbed... Problem CCP is facing (I'm not defending their actions, just putting forth a different scenario) they gave everyone 300 AUR as a xmas gift, converting all that to NewPlex at the time of the changes would have a massive effect on the Plex market. Leaving the conversion of amounts less than 1,000 is not ideal but the best option over just losing it. P I have 11 characters received the Xmas gift, I'm ok waiting a while to get free newplex from CCP. Plex prices are too high though. You should be able to get yours to use for yourself or help crash the market to enocurage more little guys to be able to participate in the market

Matthias Ancaladron Wrath of Angels Solitaire. 280	Posted - 2017.04.18 15:19:53 - [91] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Kevin Dogguide wrote: I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. "Breaking Plex" as you call it will do nothing to the value of your plex, it will simply appear differently. 1 Plex = 500 NewPlex = Same isk / game time value it has now. Thats not true. Day 1 neueplex will cost 1.2b no matter where you look to scam people who don't pay attention. Will no be acquirable at legitimate prices. When the scam where's off expect plex to inflate from 2-2.5m to 3m plus. It's gonna end up cost 1.5b to 2b+ to play each month. There's no wiggle room on an item only worth 2m, to have a spread of market prices it's going to inflate wildy just as people put up the orders that were taken down.
Richard TheLordOfDance Operation Fishbowl Inc. 22	Posted - 2017.04.19 17:40:05 - [92] - Quote Quince Ozuwara wrote: Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: Seeing as the problems with the PLEX Vault was not addressed in the blog I will just quote what I wrote the last time on how you could fix peoples main concerns with it (mine included). Not liking, or not agreeing with, a new feature isn't something the Devs are going to address; the Q& A's posted to date make that abundantly clear. PLEX Vault, and the removal of physical game time and real money theft from the game is welcome. Steal/ gank/ scam all of the in-game items to your hearts content, but it's past time that CCP remove PLEX tanking from the game for good. Sorry for the confusion (and the late follow up). When I said "addressed" I didn't mean "changed to how I wan't it to work" but rather "mentioned at all". This is quite a big change and if it's intentional that PLEX will become a "safe" currency with this change then so be it, it's CCP's decisions to make! But it so, since a lot of people have raced concern over just this specific aspect of the change, it might be nice to have them at least say "Yes, it's intentional." and not walk around the subject while addressing other concerns people have. My intention was only to again post feedback that could have been lost in the constant stream of saltiness that was the other forum thread.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1348	Posted - 2017.04.20 11:19:34 - [93] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Kevin Dogguide wrote: I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not. I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others. I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes. Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state. I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way. "Breaking Plex" as you call it will do nothing to the value of your plex, it will simply appear differently. 1 Plex = 500 NewPlex = Same isk / game time value it has now. Thats not true. Day 1 neueplex will cost 1.2b no matter where you look to scam people who don't pay attention. Will no be acquirable at legitimate prices. When the scam where's off expect plex to inflate from 2-2.5m to 3m plus. It's gonna end up cost 1.5b to 2b+ to play each month. There's no wiggle room on an item only worth 2m, to have a spread of market prices it's going to inflate wildy just as people put up the orders that were taken down. If the cost to plex an account rises too much above current prices (which CCP has so far ensured doesn't happen) you can except to see online numbers slowly wane more. I don't think that would be good for CCP's bottom line. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Arkoth 24 Sebiestor Tribe 358	Posted - 2017.04.21 07:06:42 - [94] - Quote Just a small feedback. 1. IMHO new "mini-PLEX" would be just the same "premium currency" as AUR is, so it would be better to keep the name "Aurum" for it. Even if PLEX has such a history. 2. "PLEX-vault" would be just OK as another "wallet", since PLEX will become a currency, not an item. 3. It would be nice to see something like "expired PLEX" and "expired aurum token" as a commodiry then. Thanks. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 330	Posted - 2017.04.21 07:16:24 - [95] - Quote Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all? So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE.
Richard TheLordOfDance Operation Fishbowl Inc. 22	Posted - 2017.04.22 21:07:29 - [96] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all? So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE. That could easily be accomplished by just letting you putt it on the market straight from the PLEX vault. Having you pull it out to sell is just introducing complexity for complexity's sake. Only actual reason I can think of is to be able to say that it's not a safe item because you can technically put it in your cargo hold if you want to.
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1348	Posted - 2017.04.22 23:06:33 - [97] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Richard TheLordOfDance wrote: Edit: Also, if it's the intention to make PLEX a safe item why have the option to take it out of the vault at all? So the option for you to sell it on the market still exists, that is why you can pull it out of the vault. Which is basically the same answer for anybody thinking Plex still will not be an item and just a currency...it will remain to be both, the Gold Standard of EvE. Do you understand why that is just so redundant. The plex vault itself is just advertising for CCP's money grubbing NEX store. Sadly the "Pilot License" section in the character sheet will remain all but useless. (estimated market price for plex isn't even kept current, so why is it even there) Hoping advertising plex so blatantly in game will encourage players to buy more plex for overpriced crap from the NEX store - Will fail. And I'm really sorry but Plex will no longer be an "item" - It is to be pure currency, by design.. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 205	Posted - 2017.04.24 14:40:47 - [98] - Quote Will these plex changes herald in the end of subscription based gameplay and CCP only being funded by NEX crap vanity items being sold to people with more money than sense?
Benje en Divalone 0	Posted - 2017.04.25 13:46:38 - [99] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Hoping advertising plex so blatantly in game will encourage players to buy more plex for overpriced crap from the NEX store - Will fail. Depends on how they manage the store. Offer items that people want to buy for a reasonable price and they'll buy it. Seems easy right? Yet most games developers fail hard on the second and can't quite figure out the first. eg. Station avatar clothing probably won't have a lot of appeal if it's priced north of 25-50 miniPlex. If and when we get the ability for station avatars to mingle then those items would become quite a bit more popular. Ben's arm was a freebie I got with the sub package I bought. While it fits the character concept I have for him I wouldn't have bought store currency for one. EVE-Central is telling me between 2M and 20M which is 4-40 cents. I suppose I could part with that. Good looking SKINs would probably command a higher price. Now all they need are SKINs that look good on the ships that folks actually fly. Considering how fragile people consider the code base I wonder if they really don't have a lot of choice how the PLEX vault is implemented. For mini-plex to be tradable it needs to be an inventory item. The wallet can only handle currency. Sticking it in our cargoholds is the least risky change they can make. Using the PLEX logo is a mistake. Overexposure is just going to inoculate people. Offering items that people want to buy for a reasonable price is the best way to make it work.
Drabbin Mishi Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 37	Posted - 2017.04.27 22:24:09 - [100] - Quote https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items?

Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 336	Posted - 2017.04.27 23:39:27 - [101] - Quote Drabbin Mishi wrote: https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items? you might want to redeem them, seeing as waiting on an answer from CCP has proven to come after the fact.
Devon Stone Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2017.05.01 18:46:09 - [102] - Quote Drabbin Mishi wrote: https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/aurum-and-content-pack-sales-to-end-on-2017-05-02 is still unclear on whether all Content Pack codes need to be redeemed before May 9th. Do they become invalid after that? Or give some microplex instead? Or give only their items? Redeem them if you have them. Not really that hard to comprehend.
Moridunum Kanjus The Graduates The Initiative. 26	Posted - 2017.05.09 15:58:10 - [103] - Quote Can we please have an option to hide the obnoxious plex vault that doesn't fit in with the rest of the UI in any aesthetic way...Why can't we just open the vault via the neocom? or better yet, not have one? I would also appreciate not having plex pushed in my face considering I already pay for the monthly sub, this is blatant paid service advertising that you can't get away from, to me that's not cool. This is not a mobile game.
Black Romero Aviation Professionals for EVE Virtus Crusade Protectorate 19	Posted - 2017.05.09 16:46:21 - [104] - Quote I thought Aurum tokens were getting removed? Still here and still accessible on market.
Mokada Akiga Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm 4	Posted - 2017.05.09 20:46:09 - [105] - Quote just a massive screw job by CCP to the players of eve with the cost of plex. I have the screen shot of the old costs and plex you got, much better then. Nice ream job on your player base jerks.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 524	Posted - 2017.05.10 02:34:14 - [106] - Quote Max Deveron wrote: Sister Stetille wrote: But you would not be the target audience. Imagine all of those people who have quit Eve because they couldn't "catch up". Or all of the people who still want access to new skills. The logic being, if you already pay a sub every month for a set amount of SP, why not just make the trade upfront instead of extending it out. I will answer this question of why, The answer is this: You do not kill things for Skill/Experience pts, so your character does not level up. There is no leveling up, just studying as in Real Life. As in Real Life you never stop learning, so even logged out if the que is full/set you never quit skilling up. There is no logic in getting rid of this type of SP gain as there is no other way to gain SP. To go full ****** on just buying SP and giving the game free reign to Wallet Warriors only will definitely kill EvE. Might as well just change the name to Vega Conflict @ that point and be done with it because the only people playing soon after (1-3 yrs tops) will be PvP and those who pay only for their stuff with RL cash, cash for SP, cash for PLEX (at first till the farmers finally leave) to buy ships and gear. Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors. Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning. A signature :o
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 3979	Posted - 2017.05.10 02:44:40 - [107] - Quote Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors. Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning. And patched out a week later if it's actually a major issue as a result. The 'months' only existed for those who weren't already trained, which meant that the elite who have 10 year old alts actually got to abuse the stupid OP ship for months till enough people got in it for it to become a serious problem overall. A problem being more visible does not mean a problem is worse than what it replaced. @ Mokada, prove it, post before & after screen-shots with evidence that the before shots aren't a special sale.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 356	Posted - 2017.05.10 04:44:51 - [108] - Quote Shallanna Yassavi wrote: Except they already did exactly this with skill injectors. Choice: Plex -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) Play -> ISK -> Injectors (XP) A mix of these two are how we got the Rorqal plague, and how we're getting the supercarrier plague. With most of the other FOTM/Y stuff they've released over the years, it took months to get into the stupid OP ship. Now it's at skill/mastery IV/V 5 minutes after the ink is dry on the spreadsheets and on Youtube by morning. Uhm no they did not. Because of the diminishing returns injectors give the higher you go. It there fore makes it a PLEX/ISK sink. Now maybe if a lot of those veteran pilots whom rid themselves of mining skills, etc had not done so we would not have seen such a rush on these things and newer pilots to the category seeing this following, because. The fact though is that you are missing........ Most games you skill up by completing quests and killing stuff, so basically you only skill up while playing. In EvE you can skill up without playing......selling SP upfront would kill this game so fast. Because: 1.) the ones unable to do so would quit playing, unable to afford it. 2.) the ones able to do so would skill everything and have very little reason to do most of the CCP provided content and eventually quit after a few months.
Keira Jelatin TURN LEFT HYDRA RELOADED 17	Posted - 2017.05.10 15:32:56 - [109] - Quote I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way? I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me.
Karmen Baric State War Academy Caldari State 6	Posted - 2017.05.10 16:48:45 - [110] - Quote Keira Jelatin wrote: I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way? I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me. Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken.

Mindly Com Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.05.10 23:04:00 - [111] - Quote The donate gametime feature was removed. Thus making it very difficult to "replex" multiple accounts. Please readd that feature to the vault... Just to be clear. I do not want to gift plex. I want to donate gametime to a charecter like the old system. AKA no need to go though the same steps on the target account that the main market account does. Old steps: [Main Account] 30day gametime > activeate > donate gametime > charectar name > confirm [done] New steps: [Main Acount] go to station > drag plex to plex vault > open plex vault > gift plex > charectar name > ok confirm [Second Account] open plex vault > use gametime > ok [done] Proposed steps: remotely add asset plex to plex vault via right click or drag > open plex vault > donate game time > character name > confirm [done] Best steps: it would be even better if you could give the plex vault a whole list of characters to donate game time to. -Mindly
Sagara Mithril Cro-Magnons Cavemen. 5	Posted - 2017.05.11 03:30:00 - [112] - Quote I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts. Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time. Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2170	Posted - 2017.05.11 08:56:29 - [113] - Quote Sagara Mithril wrote: I love the new idea of breaking down the Plex into 500 parts. Now if you only have like 3 hours free to play the game, you only activate a few Plexes for those 3 hours and save the rest. You could also play as an Alpha for few days, buy some Plexes, and when you have to go out PVP, you activate the Omega time. Now, would be nice if we had the choice of buying certain quantity of Omega days from the website, maybe breaking the monthly subscription price into 30 parts. It does not work this way. You still only activate 30 days of Omega using 500 X-es. So what you love about these changes again? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Sagara Mithril Cro-Magnons Cavemen. 5	Posted - 2017.05.11 15:45:00 - [114] - Quote Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus...
Jeremiah Saken The Fall of Leviathan 793	Posted - 2017.05.12 06:22:15 - [115] - Quote Sagara Mithril wrote: Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus... Cyno alts everywhere, never gona happen. "I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Timcanpy Yvormes Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group 2	Posted - 2017.05.12 08:24:41 - [116] - Quote Karmen Baric wrote: Keira Jelatin wrote: I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but is it possible to remote move plex to the volt from the asset window like it was possible to activate plex the same way? I've seen the option but it doesn't do anything at the moment for me. Same tried to move plex into vault from Personal Assets window and nothing happens. Seems broken. I've tried the same but with this i can't get more time to play because the plex wont move to my vault. How can i activate the plex to get more time?
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2172	Posted - 2017.05.12 11:04:16 - [117] - Quote Sagara Mithril wrote: Wow, i don't see the point of breaking it into 500 parts if you can't activate hours or days of Omega time, If you would allow this, you would have much more Omega Clones playing at a time, and it would give Alpha clones an incentive to make money and play the game... Jesus... The only real reason for this 'long awaited' change was that some people will spend more money on X buying stuff in NES shop. Anything beyond is just marketing fluff for weak minded people to cover this. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2017.05.23 17:27:10 - [118] - Quote Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight GG CCP
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6727	Posted - 2017.05.23 20:26:02 - [119] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight GG CCP It is certainly an oversight. It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1371	Posted - 2017.05.23 23:28:15 - [120] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Julien Brellier wrote: Being unable to remotely move plex to vault is a massive oversight GG CCP It is certainly an oversight. It's _slightly_ mitigated by the fact that undocking doesn't mean leaving plex behind to keep it safe. Stick it in the vault when you're there. Yes it is so much easier to fly all over new eden to do plex transactions rather than being able to remotely activate it. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 1331	Posted - 2017.06.05 06:17:12 - [121] - Quote The plex vault needs a ledger. Similar to the wallet, that shows transactions. I currently can't track my plex. Cannot see if they have applied to game time, from the vault or store. I also cannot find, in game, when my account expires. Could be a bug?
Sgt Ocker What Corp is it 1374	Posted - 2017.06.05 11:17:13 - [122] - Quote RavenPaine wrote: The plex vault needs a ledger. Similar to the wallet, that shows transactions. I currently can't track my plex. Cannot see if they have applied to game time, from the vault or store. I also cannot find, in game, when my account expires. Could be a bug? Nah not a bug - Account management is the only way currently to see when your accounts expire. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
RavenPaine RaVeN Alliance 1331	Posted - 2017.06.05 16:34:42 - [123] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: RavenPaine wrote: The plex vault needs a ledger. Similar to the wallet, that shows transactions. I currently can't track my plex. Cannot see if they have applied to game time, from the vault or store. I also cannot find, in game, when my account expires. Could be a bug? Nah not a bug - Account management is the only way currently to see when your accounts expire. It used to show in the top left of my login screen, at character selection.
RavenGalactic Korvinus 5	Posted - 2017.06.05 22:23:55 - [124] - Quote Hello, This thread is about PLEX but it is difficult to talk PLEX without talking NES now, considering they are combined. I am a strong proponent of a free-market economy. I am however concerned with the rising prices of not only PLEX but the ease of buying and manipulating the price of its associated NES items 'skill extractors' and 'Multiple-Character Training Certificates,' among others. With Aurum gone, the rub for me is pricing PLEX and these once-stable utilities out of the range of the general EVE community and back into the hands of those few with large wallets, which I understand is one of the reasons that PLEX was split. It's great that NES items have become a stronger commodity under NES PLEX and are actively trading, but I don't agree with them being used in the same manner as the PLEX market. You can purchase these items with PLEX through NES, but in order to purchase them you have to use PLEX, which must be either purchased on the rising PLEX market or by purchasing PLEX IRL. Whether purchased on the market or through EVE Online (which some do not have the real life funds to do), the price of a Multiple Character Training Certificate or skill extractor could eventually be out of the range of the novice or low-wallet buyer. RG


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