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Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 970	Posted - 2017.03.25 15:22:46 - [1] - Quote Just robbed Bombers Bar of every ISK they had (just a measly 22 billion) because I couldn't stand the internal drama anymore that's been going on for months. Ask me anything! When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 970	Posted - 2017.03.25 15:48:33 - [2] - Quote Oh, there's a lot to it.. This story goes a few years back, even, to Winter 2013! I'll write it down in a few hours when I have more time. Promise! PS: No, it's not one of these usual corp theft stories.. I had access to that money (and more) for over a year now, but only recent events (as in a few hours ago) made me all take it and go. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 970	Posted - 2017.03.25 18:06:38 - [3] - Quote Drama added in the first post. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 984	Posted - 2017.03.25 19:19:47 - [4] - Quote Sasha Nemtsov wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: (A story replete with incident and a healthy dose of bitterness - no doubt sweetened by the 22B which accompanied you out the door) It was also a failure on the part of the leadership not to spot this coming several leagues off - if not from you then certainly from some other disaffected party. Truth be told, they all knew what I did in my early years in EVE (played 2003 to 2009 with a character that I'm never going to associate myself with, for obvious reasons). I didn't keep it secret that I used to scam and steal on a daily basis. But honestly, up until the shitshow yesterday I never even thought about taking that money and running off. I did consider leaving BB a few times, but it never was my intention to do any harm in the process. That opinion, however, changed after recent events and while I never directly hinted at it, it shouldn't have surprised anyone either that in the end I made off with it, because I complained more and more about all the crap that's going on. Yet not one of them saw this coming and the last famous words I read were along the lines of me "showing where my true loyalties are". Sasha Nemtsov wrote: good luck with your small fortune! It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;) Sasha Nemtsov wrote: Apart from the use of a word which you somehow failed to asterisk-out Which one? English happens to be my 2nd language, thus I do tend to make the occasional mistake.. Still just a human, after all.. Tipa Riot wrote: Where's Nova? Could fill an entire thread about my "relationship" with Nova.. I kept him out of here intentionally because, even though I continued to bang heads with him, he wasn't relevant in my decision to take that ISK. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 985	Posted - 2017.03.25 20:28:39 - [5] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Why are you doing an AMA here an not on Reddit? I thought that was where all the cool kids hang out. I despise Reddit and would never create an account on there. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 986	Posted - 2017.03.25 20:49:39 - [6] - Quote Mei Long wrote: Can I still get SRP from you? Send it to Grath. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 986	Posted - 2017.03.25 21:08:22 - [7] - Quote Jonathan Gilt wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;) But you didn't. You didn't stick to to the Bombers Bar leadership. You stuck it to the Bombers Bar community that benefited from the Bomber's Bar SRP program that the ISK was exclusively used for. Exclusively? You got the facts mixed up here. I can tell you exactly how much money used to go where and it wasn't nearly as much for SRP as you think it was. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 990	Posted - 2017.03.25 21:24:12 - [8] - Quote I'm still mad, Jayne. I'm still mad! When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 993	Posted - 2017.03.25 22:22:24 - [9] - Quote JetStream Drenard wrote: If you like what bombers bar stood for, but believe it is being led by bads, then why dont you create a new one that is not bad? I liked what BB was up until 2013. Past that it was pretty much just loyalty to a few key people and boredom that kept me there. I'm not creating yet another NPSI channel for various reasons, but mainly the following two: 1. It's way too much effort for 1 or 2 people on their own. A few years ago? Hell yeah. Today? Waste of time. 2. I don't even play EVE anymore. I haven't actively played the game for a good few years and used it mostly as a glorified chat client with spaceships. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1020	Posted - 2017.03.26 07:01:55 - [10] - Quote Tara Read wrote: 22 billion isk isn't worth burning yourself over. Excuses aside, BB Leadership is literally retaded but you don't burn yourself over other dumb people. Instead, you make yourself a valuable asset to other groups. If you were as "talented" as you claim you are you could have simply walked away. I'll never quite understand in this late stage in the game and saturation of isk why some people think X is worth trust and reputation. Unless you are leaving with 500 billion + and have an exit strategy and plan or usage for said isk it really isn't worth it. Well maybe just to see BB ** themselves and moan and cry. Now that part is delicious. There's only a handful of people that would actually give a . I'm also not looking into joining another corporation or such and taking that ISK wasn't about the ISK at all, it was just a symbolic measure of saying "** you". Really, 22B ISK is about 0.2% of my total asset value. I really don't care at all about the ISK. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1020	Posted - 2017.03.26 07:25:27 - [11] - Quote Drago Tzu wrote: You couldn't wait until after SRP was completed for my bomber?! Can you please SRP my bomber? I paid out every request I had and only after that took off with what was left in the wallets. Processing a non-existent SRP request is a difficult thing to do.. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1034	Posted - 2017.03.26 08:06:16 - [12] - Quote Atrol Nalelmir wrote: Linus! Good to see you are still playing dude! Are you going to take your new found wealth to Menzoberranyr? How's that project of yours going anyway? Nothing at all has been going on in Menzo for over 3 years and I don't see that changing. And me still playing? Ugh, not really, no. I did manage certain aspects of BB on the side, but I really didn't actively play EVE, just joined the occasional fleet every few weeks / months. Haven't done much more for a few years now and due to real life stuff, I don't see that changing any time soon. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1034	Posted - 2017.03.26 09:47:00 - [13] - Quote Atrol Nalelmir wrote: Linus Gorp wrote: Nothing at all has been going on in Menzo for over 3 years and I don't see that changing. And me still playing? Ugh, not really, no. I did manage certain aspects of BB on the side, but I really didn't actively play EVE, just joined the occasional fleet every few weeks / months. Haven't done much more for a few years now and due to real life stuff, I don't see that changing any time soon. ohh weird, there was a mail sent out recently to the BB mailing list had Menzo quoted in it, made me think you had restarted it again and it was active, why steal the isk if you're not really playing anyway? Rainy day pvp fund for when you do play? Half the channels in that mail are troll channels or not active at all.. Menzo wasn't the only one among them that isn't active. The 22 billion I took amount to ~0.2% of my total asset wealth. I didn't take the money for the sake of "getting rich" (not with that pocket change, lol), I took it to make a statement. To make a point about how much I despise what BB has become. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1065	Posted - 2017.03.26 13:27:46 - [14] - Quote Amber Skir wrote: Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died. Seconded.. Tempelman, while being a massive drama magnet (the biggest I've ever seen, honestly) was also what made BB be BB.. That guy had a real passion for Bombers Bar and covert ops NPSI and he loved taking the guys out.. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1069	Posted - 2017.03.26 17:52:29 - [15] - Quote Internal chatlogs just came in When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1069	Posted - 2017.03.26 18:06:09 - [16] - Quote Edwin Bauer wrote: Olmeca Gold wrote: BB makes its ISK by killing PvE ships in null. It gives one good item each kill to the hunter of that kill, %50 of the rest of the loot to FC (who then distributes it to crucial roles in fleets), and takes other %50 for SRP. snipped for brevity's sake So that's basically what happened. If we had the main channel rights perhaps we would have kicked them instead. But they had it. But we had the website and access to the ISK. Hence drama. So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on? Cheers and best of luck to you both. I tried that a few years ago after BB was butchered by Jayne and co. but couldn't quite get it running due to real life constraints. Building up a NPSI community takes more than a good-willed person with an idea. It takes a crapton of marketing (which I really, really, really suck at) and a boatload of work (which I didn't have the time for). The group that I wanted to create was Menzoberranyr (channel still exists, though it's been dead for over 3 years). Basically a improved version of what BB was, which strived to offer more fleet variety, including combat blops fleets to a select few proven people. The only part of Menzo that ever was active at all is the combat blops department, but not in the way that was envisioned. We're a tightly shut off close-knit NPSI blops group of a handful of competent people and the only way to get in is proven combat expertise and a vouch.. But even that group hasn't been active in a while now. Just a channel for shittalking these days. Olmeca and I both recognize how much work it is to create a NPSI community and keep it running and neither one of us currently has the spare time nor willpower for that. This may or may not change in the future. When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1150	Posted - 2017.03.29 12:24:44 - [17] - Quote JetStream Drenard wrote: Olmeca Gold wrote: yet it seems best ones in Eve are dictatorships which are run by smart, visionary people ... Democracy led to constant making of bad management decisions, resulting in an overall stale situation. Many problems went unaddressed. No bureaucracy led to no area specialization and no conflict resolution system. This is not a surprise at all really. Democracy irl and in games pretty much always fails in the end. 10 people with good intentions < 1 person with a vision and a few loyal captains. I hope BB sorts itself out, but that probably won't happen at this point. Sometimes, the best thing is to start over. It always starts with a few people with good intentions and inevitably attracts corruption at some point, even more so in a game like EVE. Took them a whole two days without me keeping them in check to commit a felony by breaking into a website and changing the contents and now there's a criminal investigation going on... Because of internet spaceship drama... When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 1279	Posted - 2017.04.07 16:31:39 - [18] - Quote Atrol Nalelmir wrote: Linus! Good to see you are still playing dude! Are you going to take your new found wealth to Menzoberranyr? How's that project of yours going anyway? Edwin Bauer wrote: So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on? Cheers and best of luck to you both. After some careful consideration, I'm going to give Menzo another try. I'll try to get some of the old crew together and try to make Menzo what it was created to be. The continuation of Bombers Bar on an improved foundation. The real Bombers Bar of old, not this shell that it now is. I'm going to try to revive the Bombers Bar that died 3 and a half years ago. It's well beyond time to bring the fun back to covert ops NPSI. In-game channel is Menzoberranyr When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

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