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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
970
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:22:46 -
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Just robbed Bombers Bar of every ISK they had (just a measly 22 billion) because I couldn't stand the internal drama anymore that's been going on for months. Ask me anything!
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
591
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:42:59 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Just robbed Bombers Bar of every ISK they had (just a measly 22 billion) because I couldn't stand the internal drama anymore that's been going on for months. Ask me anything! Assets and transaction logs
You don't give us much of a story, Linus. Were you actually involved in any of the drama you mention? Is there a narrative?
'Ask me anything' is rarely as good as 'It happened like this....'
If your tale goes something like 'Get Roles - Get Rich - Get Out' - we've probably heard about (or done) it ourselves. If there's more to it than that, and you can outdo our own TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet - why then, I'm all ears!
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
970
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Posted - 2017.03.25 15:48:33 -
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Oh, there's a lot to it.. This story goes a few years back, even, to Winter 2013! I'll write it down in a few hours when I have more time. Promise!
PS: No, it's not one of these usual corp theft stories.. I had access to that money (and more) for over a year now, but only recent events (as in a few hours ago) made me all take it and go.
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Zander Moreau
New Order Logistics CODE.
58
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Posted - 2017.03.25 16:50:25 -
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As my editors are fond of saying: Details! We want more Details!
"We will bring you love... and by love, I mean lasers."
Pope Maximillian Singularity VI, First of His Name
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3940
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Posted - 2017.03.25 17:25:08 -
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Hmm I don't know about this. Claims theft but clearly had been given access to this money and simply used/withdrew it. I'd say if anything this was a case of reappropriation
PS plz post this potential epic story in the pirate story thread. Bob knows it needs love :D. You can find it stikied at the top of C&P
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
970
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Posted - 2017.03.25 18:06:38 -
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Drama added in the first post.
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
593
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:00:00 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:(A story replete with incident and a healthy dose of bitterness - no doubt sweetened by the 22B which accompanied you out the door)
Apart from the use of a word which you somehow failed to asterisk-out, I rather enjoyed this diverting piece of drama. I'm not sure that 'enjoyed' is the right word, but you get my drift.
It does occur to me that, in relieving BB of the isk, you will also have affected those people you mention as being not part of the company of folks whom you disparage. I suppose one has to have a sort of 'disconnect' where such issues are concerned.
It was also a failure on the part of the leadership not to spot this coming several leagues off - if not from you then certainly from some other disaffected party.
Internal politics and ego-trumpeting seem to dilute or destroy the effectiveness of many corps and alliances in EVE. My own theory is that the people who adopt roles in such organisations are not always qualified to do so. Even in RL organisations such tensions exist, but they're usually held at bay by having people who are very good at what they do and at managing people. The opportunities to walk away with cash in a RL organisation - even for a Director - are necessarily limited.
It's difficult to know who to trust in this game. They say 'trust no-one', but at some point you do have to give people access to stuff which has some value. You can only do this on the basis of past behaviour; the rest is up to fate.
I'd forgotten about the Pirate thread; haven't looked at it for months (?years). It certainly sounds that sort of story, though I maintain it's an embellished Roles-Rob-Run tale. Entertaining (that's the word!) stuff Linus; good luck with your small fortune!
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3554
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:04:26 -
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Where's Nova?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
984
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Posted - 2017.03.25 19:19:47 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:(A story replete with incident and a healthy dose of bitterness - no doubt sweetened by the 22B which accompanied you out the door) It was also a failure on the part of the leadership not to spot this coming several leagues off - if not from you then certainly from some other disaffected party. Truth be told, they all knew what I did in my early years in EVE (played 2003 to 2009 with a character that I'm never going to associate myself with, for obvious reasons). I didn't keep it secret that I used to scam and steal on a daily basis. But honestly, up until the shitshow yesterday I never even thought about taking that money and running off. I did consider leaving BB a few times, but it never was my intention to do any harm in the process. That opinion, however, changed after recent events and while I never directly hinted at it, it shouldn't have surprised anyone either that in the end I made off with it, because I complained more and more about all the crap that's going on. Yet not one of them saw this coming and the last famous words I read were along the lines of me "showing where my true loyalties are".
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:good luck with your small fortune! It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;)
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Apart from the use of a word which you somehow failed to asterisk-out Which one? English happens to be my 2nd language, thus I do tend to make the occasional mistake.. Still just a human, after all..
Tipa Riot wrote:Where's Nova? Could fill an entire thread about my "relationship" with Nova.. I kept him out of here intentionally because, even though I continued to bang heads with him, he wasn't relevant in my decision to take that ISK.
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Valkin Mordirc
2719
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:27:38 -
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Why are you doing an AMA here an not on Reddit? I thought that was where all the cool kids hang out.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
985
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:28:39 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Why are you doing an AMA here an not on Reddit? I thought that was where all the cool kids hang out. I despise Reddit and would never create an account on there.
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Valkin Mordirc
2720
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:37:15 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Why are you doing an AMA here an not on Reddit? I thought that was where all the cool kids hang out. I despise Reddit and would never create an account on there.
I like you, 
#DeleteTheWeak
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1315
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:40:50 -
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lol I got here from Reddit
@lunettelulu7
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Mei Long
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
0
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:49:10 -
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Can I still get SRP from you? |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
986
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:49:39 -
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Mei Long wrote:Can I still get SRP from you? Send it to Grath.
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Jonathan Gilt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.25 20:59:29 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;)
But you didn't. You didn't stick to to the Bombers Bar leadership. You stuck it to the Bombers Bar community that benefited from the Bomber's Bar SRP program that the ISK was exclusively used for. |

Sol epoch
Aliastra Gallente Federation
402
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:01:20 -
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Jonathan Gilt wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;)
But you didn't. You didn't stick to to the Bombers Bar leadership. You stuck it to the Bombers Bar community that benefited from the Bomber's Bar SRP program that the ISK was exclusively used for.
There is always colateral damage! |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
986
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:08:22 -
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Jonathan Gilt wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: It's pocket change, really. As someone with trillions of ISK, this wasn't so much about the money as it was about sticking it to those guys ;)
But you didn't. You didn't stick to to the Bombers Bar leadership. You stuck it to the Bombers Bar community that benefited from the Bomber's Bar SRP program that the ISK was exclusively used for. Exclusively? You got the facts mixed up here. I can tell you exactly how much money used to go where and it wasn't nearly as much for SRP as you think it was.
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Irina Surinen
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:12:53 -
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Already replaced, nothing to see here, move along guys...
Just a salty dude who thinks he has to spread something nobody is interested reading... |

Jayne Fillon
836
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:14:02 -
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hi
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
990
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:24:12 -
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I'm still mad, Jayne. I'm still mad!
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2810
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:49:21 -
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Cunts isn't a filtered word, but **** is?
Icelandic profanity filters ftw.
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:50:46 -
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More detail, and my viewpoint at http://www.bombersbareve.com/
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
184
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Posted - 2017.03.25 21:59:10 -
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lmao talk ****, get hit. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1980
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Posted - 2017.03.25 22:06:27 -
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Thats not much 
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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JetStream Drenard
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2017.03.25 22:10:37 -
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If you like what bombers bar stood for, but believe it is being led by bads, then why dont you create a new one that is not bad? |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
993
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Posted - 2017.03.25 22:22:24 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:If you like what bombers bar stood for, but believe it is being led by bads, then why dont you create a new one that is not bad? I liked what BB was up until 2013. Past that it was pretty much just loyalty to a few key people and boredom that kept me there.
I'm not creating yet another NPSI channel for various reasons, but mainly the following two: 1. It's way too much effort for 1 or 2 people on their own. A few years ago? Hell yeah. Today? Waste of time. 2. I don't even play EVE anymore. I haven't actively played the game for a good few years and used it mostly as a glorified chat client with spaceships.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2174
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Posted - 2017.03.25 22:47:52 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Why are you doing an AMA here an not on Reddit? I thought that was where all the cool kids hang out. I despise Reddit and would never create an account on there.
Your jib sir. I like the cut of it.
Have a cookie.
Also.......
Long ago I used to hang out in The Bar. It was a fun place where the cool kids hung out in stealth bombers (back when bombs were actually dangerous...) and we all roamed in packs like feral hyena's looking for Goon..um....nullsec mining ops to play with.
So I poked my nose back into the Bar as it is now....and folks, just stay away. Go make your own Bar. Find like minded killers and have fun.
'Cause I sure didn't see any fun in the Bar now, and that actually saddens me.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
596
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Posted - 2017.03.25 23:52:44 -
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Linus Gorp wrote: It's pocket change, really.
Your 'pocket change' would see me through a rather lengthy campaign of Code-enforcement. Pocket change indeed sir. I must be poor, or something.
p.s. Not a begging letter.....
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 00:07:47 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:If you like what bombers bar stood for, but believe it is being led by bads, then why dont you create a new one that is not bad?
This kind of thing requires too much metagame marketing effort to do, while we just want to play the game.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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JakeMiester
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
24
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Posted - 2017.03.26 00:27:18 -
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Not gonna say I called this literally a year or so ago but...  |

TheInternet TweepsOnline TheInternet
The New Order Gamis Affiliates
45
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Posted - 2017.03.26 00:53:38 -
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Unless this is a link to a page that says "GF", you're doing this wrong. |

Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:14:33 -
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JakeMiester wrote:Not gonna say I called this literally a year or so ago but... 
Oh it's not like we did not also call you'd harm BB in some way and leave :)
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Linkoman
Dutch East Querious Company Asteria Concord.
15
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Posted - 2017.03.26 01:58:05 -
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BB is the only reason I'm still playing Eve today, and I'm really sad to see it go. Thanks Tempelman N and all the other old FCs which made the Bombers Bar a great place to be. RIP |

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
9473
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Posted - 2017.03.26 02:01:01 -
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22b? - boring. |

Mei Long
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:22:22 -
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In all seriousness, I'd like to thank you and Olmecca for your contributions to Bombers Bar. I've flown in quite a few Bombers Bar fleets in the short time I've been playing EVE, and your contributions have positively contribute to my enjoyment of the game. While I disapprove of your actions, (and quite possibly the actions of the other side too) I do truly appreciate all the hard work you both have put into Bombers Bar.
Thanks!
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Drago Tzu
Holesale Holesale Operations
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 03:59:46 -
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You couldn't wait until after SRP was completed for my bomber?!
Can you please SRP my bomber? |

Edwin Bauer
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
6
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:15:36 -
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Can I haz free stuff?
That aside, I'm curious to know where most of that isk came from to begin with? Did it come from donations or from the leadership's pockets?
Also what percentage of the Bar's leadership was 'problematic' from your perspective? My point being, couldn't you and other likeminded people remove the problematic ones and keep running the show? I've only flown with the Bar like twice, but both times it great fun and I think the whole idea behind it was amazing. It's a pity to see it ruined by petty drama. |

Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:16:58 -
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Drago Tzu wrote:You couldn't wait until after SRP was completed for my bomber?!
Can you please SRP my bomber?
Pls send your request to Daenerys Gorp
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:25:58 -
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Mei Long wrote:In all seriousness, I'd like to thank you and Olmecca for your contributions to Bombers Bar. I've flown in quite a few Bombers Bar fleets in the short time I've been playing EVE, and your contributions have positively contribute to my enjoyment of the game. While I disapprove of your actions, (and quite possibly the actions of the other side too) I do truly appreciate all the hard work you both have put into Bombers Bar.
Thanks!
I really appreciate your post. I hope our paths cross again.
When I began this game I tried hard to stay out of political stuff or power play, which I quickly realized was why most relevant people were playing this game. Instead I tried to focus developing my in-game skillset, and hunted alone a lot. That's probably why, when I finally decided playing alone was not enough, I became an NPSI person. No politics, just explosions, if you buy it.
Unfortunately finding yourself in a position of leadership somewhere makes such escape impossible. You start caring about this entity and making it big, more than caring about your own name/experience. But since it's also a collectively owned thing, in a space where other hostile entities exist, political problems arise either from within or externally.
I really wish we weren't in this situation, but here we are. I'll just try to make the best of it.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 04:59:28 -
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Edwin Bauer wrote:Can I haz free stuff?
That aside, I'm curious to know where most of that isk came from to begin with? Did it come from donations or from the leadership's pockets?
Also what percentage of the Bar's leadership was 'problematic' from your perspective? My point being, couldn't you and other likeminded people remove the problematic ones and keep running the show? I've only flown with the Bar like twice, but both times it great fun and I think the whole idea behind it was amazing. It's a pity to see it ruined by petty drama.
BB makes its ISK by killing PvE ships in null. It gives one good item each kill to the hunter of that kill, %50 of the rest of the loot to FC (who then distributes it to crucial roles in fleets), and takes other %50 for SRP. SRP wallet usually sustains itself and does not accumulate, but we had a 5 bil / month sponsorship from evebet and just before the ban we were able to receive some 15 billion from I Want ISK. CCP didn't take it. We did not waste that money for rainy days, and fleets made enough ISK for SRP, so it' was still there. So ISK is from kills and leftover from old sponsorships.
BB was found by Tempelman N, who left the game and left the NPSI at the hands of Nova Valentis about 3 years ago. Besides Nova there were about 11 bartenders, 4-5 of which just joined 3 months ago or newer. All these people have amounts and areas of contribution. The new FCs usually listened the others. There were really a couple of people pushing for things to be greater. And a problem was that, because Nova wanted less bureaucracy, there was no strict division of areas which in return caused lots of people to interfere lots of others' contributions. E.g. I had to spend days to convince Nova on how to do things in the website, for which he spent no hours. Thus his understanding of less bureaucracy led to more headache. Below is a pastebin of a mail from me to the rest of the BB people after I got banned, if you want more on how exactly I thought BB was led in a bad way.
http://pastebin.com/DzwQn0E1
The highest influence on decisions was Nova, then me and the other 2 years old FCs and Linus, after whom all the other FCs. To this day I don't know how exactly BB decides to do things, including kicking me or Linus. They just ask in a slack channel and if nobody objects (often nobody responds) then they take it to themselves to kick people. So basically about 5 people (Nova + two 2 year-olds + two 1 year-olds) decided we should go, and the newcomers did not object, also because they were chosen by Nova to be FCs anyway. This Nova+4 group also spent much social time with these newcomers to have influence over them. Linus and I didn't get the chance.
The issue is that this Nova+4 probably spent less overall effort (in total number of hours or just creative contribution) for BB than me + Linus. So idk who has the `moral rights` to BB.
So that's basically what happened. If we had the main channel rights perhaps we would have kicked them instead. But they had it. But we had the website and access to the ISK. Hence drama.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
831
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Posted - 2017.03.26 05:20:49 -
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TL:DR My brain hurt edition.
Someone "stole" 22b from bombers bar, no-one cares why, or about the "drama"
@JerryTPepridge
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Takedea Miyamoto
Holesale Holesale Operations
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 06:00:57 -
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As ****** of a situation as this is, I'd just like to say thanks to the both of you (Olmeca and Linus). Without getting in to the current situation, I can say I have some damn good memories flying under you. Hell Olmeca you even taught me how to rat with a bomber in LS back in late 2014 I think it was? Whatever happens, thank you for the memories, and all you've contributed to EVE /BB. |

Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 06:41:48 -
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Takedea Miyamoto wrote:As ****** of a situation as this is, I'd just like to say thanks to the both of you (Olmeca and Linus). Without getting in to the current situation, I can say I have some damn good memories flying under you. Hell Olmeca you even taught me how to rat with a bomber in LS back in late 2014 I think it was? Whatever happens, thank you for the memories, and all you've contributed to EVE /BB.
You don't know how much this kind of posts mean to me. Reminds me that I didn't waste all that effort for nothing. Thanks.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Tara Read
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
943
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Posted - 2017.03.26 06:57:32 -
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22 billion isk isn't worth burning yourself over. Excuses aside, BB Leadership is literally retaded but you don't burn yourself over other dumb people. Instead, you make yourself a valuable asset to other groups. If you were as "talented" as you claim you are you could have simply walked away. I'll never quite understand in this late stage in the game and saturation of isk why some people think X is worth trust and reputation. Unless you are leaving with 500 billion + and have an exit strategy and plan or usage for said isk it really isn't worth it. Well maybe just to see BB **** themselves and moan and cry. Now that part is delicious. |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1020
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Posted - 2017.03.26 07:01:55 -
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Tara Read wrote:22 billion isk isn't worth burning yourself over. Excuses aside, BB Leadership is literally retaded but you don't burn yourself over other dumb people. Instead, you make yourself a valuable asset to other groups. If you were as "talented" as you claim you are you could have simply walked away. I'll never quite understand in this late stage in the game and saturation of isk why some people think X is worth trust and reputation. Unless you are leaving with 500 billion + and have an exit strategy and plan or usage for said isk it really isn't worth it. Well maybe just to see BB **** themselves and moan and cry. Now that part is delicious. There's only a handful of people that would actually give a ****. I'm also not looking into joining another corporation or such and taking that ISK wasn't about the ISK at all, it was just a symbolic measure of saying "**** you".
Really, 22B ISK is about 0.2% of my total asset value. I really don't care at all about the ISK.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1020
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Posted - 2017.03.26 07:25:27 -
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Drago Tzu wrote:You couldn't wait until after SRP was completed for my bomber?!
Can you please SRP my bomber? I paid out every request I had and only after that took off with what was left in the wallets. Processing a non-existent SRP request is a difficult thing to do..
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Sarah Pynchon
Madroplast AG
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 07:36:14 -
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Bombers Bar influenced my play style a lot. Therefore I'd like to thank you, Linus and Olmeca, for all the energy you invested into this community. Olmeca's fleets where always great fun. Sad to hear about the Bar's current state. |

Atrol Nalelmir
Sanctuary of Shadows Triumvirate.
29
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Posted - 2017.03.26 07:48:54 -
[49] - Quote
Linus!
Good to see you are still playing dude! Are you going to take your new found wealth to Menzoberranyr? How's that project of yours going anyway? |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1034
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Posted - 2017.03.26 08:06:16 -
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Atrol Nalelmir wrote:Linus!
Good to see you are still playing dude! Are you going to take your new found wealth to Menzoberranyr? How's that project of yours going anyway? Nothing at all has been going on in Menzo for over 3 years and I don't see that changing. And me still playing? Ugh, not really, no. I did manage certain aspects of BB on the side, but I really didn't actively play EVE, just joined the occasional fleet every few weeks / months. Haven't done much more for a few years now and due to real life stuff, I don't see that changing any time soon.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3557
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Posted - 2017.03.26 08:49:43 -
[51] - Quote
Finally caught up reading all about the drama, I was not following bombers bar in the last months because my focus ingame went to other activities.
... I was in a couple of Olmeca's fleets, and they were well organized and fun. I know and acknowledge how much effort he put into that (scouting, preparing hunters, traps, new tactics, etc.), ensuring a safe passage and kills for the fleet. A big thank you for that!
But ... Olmeca, revenge is not enough and somewhat cheap IMO. If you believe in your vision about covert warfare and NPSI, you need to take leadership.
Also Jayne's statement about Spectre striving for the good fights, and BB being the bad boys killing the fun is BS, just that. He may think Spectre is all about Saturday's Ganked fleets, but most of the rest and kills is about ganking ratters. Hell, on a single Dizzop ceptor roam we kill more bears than during a week with BB. This is EvE, if you have a fair fight, somebody has done a mistake.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Atrol Nalelmir
Sanctuary of Shadows Triumvirate.
29
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Posted - 2017.03.26 09:11:00 -
[52] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote: Nothing at all has been going on in Menzo for over 3 years and I don't see that changing. And me still playing? Ugh, not really, no. I did manage certain aspects of BB on the side, but I really didn't actively play EVE, just joined the occasional fleet every few weeks / months. Haven't done much more for a few years now and due to real life stuff, I don't see that changing any time soon.
ohh weird, there was a mail sent out recently to the BB mailing list had Menzo quoted in it, made me think you had restarted it again and it was active, why steal the isk if you're not really playing anyway? Rainy day pvp fund for when you do play? |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1034
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Posted - 2017.03.26 09:47:00 -
[53] - Quote
Atrol Nalelmir wrote:Linus Gorp wrote: Nothing at all has been going on in Menzo for over 3 years and I don't see that changing. And me still playing? Ugh, not really, no. I did manage certain aspects of BB on the side, but I really didn't actively play EVE, just joined the occasional fleet every few weeks / months. Haven't done much more for a few years now and due to real life stuff, I don't see that changing any time soon.
ohh weird, there was a mail sent out recently to the BB mailing list had Menzo quoted in it, made me think you had restarted it again and it was active, why steal the isk if you're not really playing anyway? Rainy day pvp fund for when you do play? Half the channels in that mail are troll channels or not active at all.. Menzo wasn't the only one among them that isn't active.
The 22 billion I took amount to ~0.2% of my total asset wealth. I didn't take the money for the sake of "getting rich" (not with that pocket change, lol), I took it to make a statement. To make a point about how much I despise what BB has become.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1329
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Posted - 2017.03.26 11:23:43 -
[54] - Quote
who cares? 22b? lol.. even I got 40 billion of assets after playing a while.. this pocket money is not even worth a thread
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
1358
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Posted - 2017.03.26 11:39:36 -
[55] - Quote
It is fascinating observing how grown men interact with each other on the internet 
Concord Approved Trader
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Amber Skir
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 11:39:41 -
[56] - Quote
Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died.  |

Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
79
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Posted - 2017.03.26 12:11:32 -
[57] - Quote
Amber Skir wrote:Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died. 
If you think so because his charisma, you are right htat there hasn't been such a charismatic FC after him. Nova tried to approximate, but nobody can be him.
If you think so because content, then BB had much better content only after Tempelman. Best bombing runs, new kind of bombing runs, billions of kills, titan kills, supercap kills all happened after Tempelman.
He was a charismatic guy with a great idea for Eve. He wasn't the best person in implementing the idea. For example, whenever he had a whaling fleet, he would often rely on 1 guy hunting a specific target or a region. It was only after him BB realized distributing multiple hunters inside a jumprange, instead of using 1 guy who aims to take all the credit and glory of hunting, was a best practice in covert ops whaling.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
2943
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Posted - 2017.03.26 12:45:47 -
[58] - Quote
Amber Skir wrote:Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died. 
I would second third and fourth that.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin
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Albert Madullier
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
62
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Posted - 2017.03.26 13:00:01 -
[59] - Quote
so you're an attention seeking **** who stole from a npsi group?
noone cares
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1065
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Posted - 2017.03.26 13:27:46 -
[60] - Quote
Amber Skir wrote:Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died.  Seconded.. Tempelman, while being a massive drama magnet (the biggest I've ever seen, honestly) was also what made BB be BB.. That guy had a real passion for Bombers Bar and covert ops NPSI and he loved taking the guys out..
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Raven644
Gallente Volunteer Defense Forces
0
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Posted - 2017.03.26 14:28:32 -
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bottom line. PL won |

Edwin Bauer
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
6
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Posted - 2017.03.26 16:52:38 -
[62] - Quote
Olmeca Gold wrote:
BB makes its ISK by killing PvE ships in null. It gives one good item each kill to the hunter of that kill, %50 of the rest of the loot to FC (who then distributes it to crucial roles in fleets), and takes other %50 for SRP.
*snipped for brevity's sake*
So that's basically what happened. If we had the main channel rights perhaps we would have kicked them instead. But they had it. But we had the website and access to the ISK. Hence drama.
So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on?
Cheers and best of luck to you both.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1069
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Posted - 2017.03.26 17:52:29 -
[63] - Quote
Internal chatlogs just came in
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1069
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Posted - 2017.03.26 18:06:09 -
[64] - Quote
Edwin Bauer wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:
BB makes its ISK by killing PvE ships in null. It gives one good item each kill to the hunter of that kill, %50 of the rest of the loot to FC (who then distributes it to crucial roles in fleets), and takes other %50 for SRP.
*snipped for brevity's sake*
So that's basically what happened. If we had the main channel rights perhaps we would have kicked them instead. But they had it. But we had the website and access to the ISK. Hence drama.
So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on? Cheers and best of luck to you both. I tried that a few years ago after BB was butchered by Jayne and co. but couldn't quite get it running due to real life constraints. Building up a NPSI community takes more than a good-willed person with an idea. It takes a crapton of marketing (which I really, really, really suck at) and a boatload of work (which I didn't have the time for). The group that I wanted to create was Menzoberranyr (channel still exists, though it's been dead for over 3 years). Basically a improved version of what BB was, which strived to offer more fleet variety, including combat blops fleets to a select few proven people. The only part of Menzo that ever was active at all is the combat blops department, but not in the way that was envisioned. We're a tightly shut off close-knit NPSI blops group of a handful of competent people and the only way to get in is proven combat expertise and a vouch.. But even that group hasn't been active in a while now. Just a channel for shittalking these days.
Olmeca and I both recognize how much work it is to create a NPSI community and keep it running and neither one of us currently has the spare time nor willpower for that. This may or may not change in the future.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
83
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Posted - 2017.03.26 20:31:06 -
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Edwin Bauer wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:
BB makes its ISK by killing PvE ships in null. It gives one good item each kill to the hunter of that kill, %50 of the rest of the loot to FC (who then distributes it to crucial roles in fleets), and takes other %50 for SRP.
*snipped for brevity's sake*
So that's basically what happened. If we had the main channel rights perhaps we would have kicked them instead. But they had it. But we had the website and access to the ISK. Hence drama.
So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on? Cheers and best of luck to you both.
o7
I still do solo things I like to do and they take all time I can allocate to Eve. Building an NPSI from scratch is too hard because Spectre or BB will have the first penetration advantage. I might start a corp in summer. I have a nice idea if it holds. RL is too hectic for me to attempt anything at this point.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2817
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Posted - 2017.03.26 22:25:45 -
[66] - Quote
It's a shame it's all turned toilet. BB was one of those things in Eve that I always wanted to try but never got around to doing.
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20761
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Posted - 2017.03.26 22:42:33 -
[67] - Quote
Mortlake wrote:It's a shame it's all turned toilet. BB was one of those things in Eve that I always wanted to try but never got around to doing. Likewise.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
Lords.Of.Midnight currently recruiting
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
87
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Posted - 2017.03.26 23:18:37 -
[68] - Quote
We got our personal issues in BB but they still have some of the best cloaky FCs in this game. I'm just one guy. I will have fun killing some of their fleets when I have the time but one person won't be able to shut all their fleets down. So just try it. They are still nice people with unique content to offer. It becomes problematic only when you become part of the leadership, realize how much better it could have been, realize you are powerless to push them to be better, then begin having personal problems the more you voice your opinion. That has nothing to do with a newbro's experience so again, just try it.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Angry Dragons The-Culture
807
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Posted - 2017.03.27 06:12:37 -
[69] - Quote
Olmeca Gold wrote:Amber Skir wrote:Templeman N was the only reason to fly with Bombers Bar, when he went BB died.  If you think so because his charisma, you are right htat there hasn't been such a charismatic FC after him. Nova tried to approximate, but nobody can be him. If you think so because content, then BB had much better content only after Tempelman. Best bombing runs, new kind of bombing runs, billions of kills, titan kills, supercap kills all happened after Tempelman. He was a charismatic guy with a great idea for Eve. He wasn't the best person in implementing the idea. For example, whenever he had a whaling fleet, he would often rely on 1 guy hunting a specific target or a region. It was only after him BB realized distributing multiple hunters inside a jumprange, instead of using 1 guy who aims to take all the credit and glory of hunting, was a best practice in covert ops whaling.
As is often the case elsewhere, in bombers bar they remember the charismatic friendly guy much more than the guy working behind the scenes to develop and influence things. Sometimes that can be good though.
Anyway it's pretty crazy to see Bombers Bar STILL going. I joined up in early 2012 when it was just kicking off and our fleets were under 10 people. To see it grow and develop and end up actually hunting and killing caps and supers is amazing.
But on the downside yeah there are a lot of shithead people that drummed up drama and caused problems in order to get themselves ahead. That's the same with just about any organization. The issue with NPSI groups is that they don't have the structure to enforce any form of power model.
I think there was a CSM member or something who said he'd do something about that. Instead CCP made small gang pvp in 0.0 great again. Whatever happened to all that... |

Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
87
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Posted - 2017.03.27 06:44:54 -
[70] - Quote
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:But on the downside yeah there are a lot of shithead people that drummed up drama and caused problems in order to get themselves ahead. That's the same with just about any organization. The issue with NPSI groups is that they don't have the structure to enforce any form of power model. I think there was a CSM member or something who said he'd do something about that. Instead CCP made small gang pvp in 0.0 great again. Whatever happened to all that... 
All big entities need a shared power structure, yet it seems best ones in Eve are dictatorships which are run by smart, visionary people, and sharing wealth and resources seems to be enough for a common ground for null entities. Do you need to share more power in NPSI? Spectre seems to be doing fine (from the outside), due to a more dictatorial structure compared to BB. That's probably because Jayne is such a visionary. We tried a more democratic but also without creating too much bureaucratic structure, because that was how Tempelman found BB. That was also Nova's favorite way of managing BB and he wouldn't let anyone change that. I tried to push a little but man was tiring.
Democracy led to constant making of bad management decisions, resulting in an overall stale situation. Many problems went unaddressed. No bureaucracy led to no area specialization and no conflict resolution system.
Former meant people arbitrarily intervening with jobs that are being done that has nothing to do with them, or which they were no part of, which often made everything a slow painful process and caused lots of arguing. It also led to people doing stuff that others wanted to do (making/promoting a video of a good bombing run, when FC wants to make his own without your knowledge), more conflict.
Latter is the literal reason why me and Linus are out. Everyone is supposed to be equals in BB leadership, yet nobody knows what happens when someone allegedly does something wrong. Two random FCs started a conversation on slack and kicked me because I didn't give them a website. One FC took it on himself to kick Linus. All leading to this much harm. Maybe we could have solved issues if we had a defined process of what would happen. Hell, maybe I would stop posting on reddit about PL and give them the domain if I knew the sanction was getting kicked from my WH as well as getting banned, regardless of how unfair I would think these sanctions are. But nothing is really defined.
Nova thought less bureaucracy is really cool so here we are. This is yet another example on why I keep saying BB leadership lacks vision. I hope they read this and learn a little bit. BB will go on. Despite my awoxes or whatever, they still got great FCs, and will provide good content, often thanks to prior efforts of people like me. They will just not be what they could have been, but that's OK.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2017.03.29 03:17:45 -
[71] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:It is fascinating observing how grown men interact with each other on the internet 
Like some kind of hybrid circle-jerk, and not-so-subtle one-upmanship.
Everyone here is tripping all over themselves to "politely" state that 22B is "so small, my good chap".
But I also see a few requests for some free stuff.
Ah well. |

JetStream Drenard
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
96
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Posted - 2017.03.29 11:56:31 -
[72] - Quote
Olmeca Gold wrote:yet it seems best ones in Eve are dictatorships which are run by smart, visionary people ... Democracy led to constant making of bad management decisions, resulting in an overall stale situation. Many problems went unaddressed. No bureaucracy led to no area specialization and no conflict resolution system.
This is not a surprise at all really. Democracy irl and in games pretty much always fails in the end. 10 people with good intentions < 1 person with a vision and a few loyal captains.
I hope BB sorts itself out, but that probably won't happen at this point. Sometimes, the best thing is to start over. |

Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1150
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Posted - 2017.03.29 12:24:44 -
[73] - Quote
JetStream Drenard wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:yet it seems best ones in Eve are dictatorships which are run by smart, visionary people ... Democracy led to constant making of bad management decisions, resulting in an overall stale situation. Many problems went unaddressed. No bureaucracy led to no area specialization and no conflict resolution system. This is not a surprise at all really. Democracy irl and in games pretty much always fails in the end. 10 people with good intentions < 1 person with a vision and a few loyal captains. I hope BB sorts itself out, but that probably won't happen at this point. Sometimes, the best thing is to start over. It always starts with a few people with good intentions and inevitably attracts corruption at some point, even more so in a game like EVE.
Took them a whole two days without me keeping them in check to commit a felony by breaking into a website and changing the contents and now there's a criminal investigation going on... Because of internet spaceship drama...
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
637
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Posted - 2017.03.29 22:18:31 -
[74] - Quote
JetStream Drenard wrote: This is not a surprise at all really. Democracy irl and in games pretty much always fails in the end. 10 people with good intentions < 1 person with a vision and a few loyal captains.
I suppose Democracy has a chance of working in peacetime (irl), but has absolutely no chance of working in a war situation. Even nominal 'democracies' in wartime have had to allow for 'streamlining the decision-making process', in order to be functional in the drastically altered environment.
In EVE - where war is a hard-wired constant - it's most unlikely that decisions relating to warmongering will be subject to broad discussion and balloting. Fine for the day-to-day non-critical stuff, perhaps.
minerbumping
New Order Audio Archive
NEW! MinerBumping Video Vault
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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
88
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Posted - 2017.03.30 01:01:26 -
[75] - Quote
I have a more optimistic view of democracy IRL in the sense that it's the best we can possibly have. If the system you have lets people to flourish and educate themselves on political issues enough (e.g. Northern Europe) people tend to make OK choices even though there are still problems. If you have a system that cockblocks the said education and flourishing in favor of oppressive groups/people (most authoritarian countries) or economic classes (US) democracy tends to dysfunction.
Good dictators are hard to come by. My country had one (Ataturk) to set it straight a century ago, but then they die and everything else approximates back to a shitshow. Good dictators are also never gonna rise to power given the current economic systems dominating the world, unless its a time of crisis.
Eve is different. The 'dictators' in Eve are often far from 'good', but they can't really cause damage people's real lives like RL dictators. When they create well functioning organizations with proper vision, and you are in their corp/alliance, you just accept that they have your ass. That implies a lot for IRL, but not for Eve. You can simply leave your 'country' and start living somewhere else without costing you much. And the dictatorial entity with good vision will always have the upper hand merely because the less amount of effort it takes to make a decision and act.
Then again another problem is the toxic atmosphere this situation creates. If places like r/Eve is contaminated with hateful toxic rage that's because the conditions in Eve that paves the way for this kind of people to rise to positions of influence.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
Youtube channel.
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Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
875
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Posted - 2017.04.01 11:18:15 -
[76] - Quote
I wasn't good enough of a bomber pilot to fly with BB. :( |

Exaido
Fire Over Light Those Infernal Machines
107
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Posted - 2017.04.01 17:31:41 -
[77] - Quote
I have truly missed C&P |

Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2187
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Posted - 2017.04.02 01:29:49 -
[78] - Quote
Olmeca Gold wrote:decent stuffs
As far as democracy goes, I like to quote Winston Churchill ( at least I think he said this...), who said "Democracy is the absolute worst form of government. But we have tried all the rest....."
YMMV
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1279
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Posted - 2017.04.07 16:31:39 -
[79] - Quote
Atrol Nalelmir wrote:Linus!
Good to see you are still playing dude! Are you going to take your new found wealth to Menzoberranyr? How's that project of yours going anyway?
Edwin Bauer wrote:So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on?
Cheers and best of luck to you both. After some careful consideration, I'm going to give Menzo another try.
I'll try to get some of the old crew together and try to make Menzo what it was created to be. The continuation of Bombers Bar on an improved foundation. The real Bombers Bar of old, not this shell that it now is.
I'm going to try to revive the Bombers Bar that died 3 and a half years ago. It's well beyond time to bring the fun back to covert ops NPSI.
In-game channel is Menzoberranyr
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
1648
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Posted - 2017.04.09 05:26:25 -
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It is pathetic if you have to tell such a story by yourself. If someone accuses you of it via C&P then I can harvest some tears and the perp gets some credit and reputation. Like this it is just sad.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
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CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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