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Aidan Patrick
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:01:00 -
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I was told I should post here by some people in local chat.
Opterion, flipped my can, and based on his info I chose to attack him in retaliation, he demanded a ransom after just sitting there and taking everything I could throw at him in my battleship rigged for mining. He then offered a ransom of 25,000,000 ISK. Which I gladly accepted to prevent loss of my armegeddon which I had just purchase the day before and was raising ISK to pay for the insurance on the ship. After paying the ransom he continued to kill me. Now I am broke, without my battleship (which was also my miner) and I have barely been playing a month and this pirate couldn't honor his own word.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:05:00 -
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Ghey. Tell people in local if he's there and hopefully itll cut down his income.
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Baby B'journ
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:07:00 -
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Personally, I think you should get Concorded for stealing from someones can in high-sec. But no, macro miners being around is going to prevent that.
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Aidan Patrick
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:07:00 -
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woops - posted with wrong toon. lol
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Nidhoggur
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:07:00 -
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One wonders why the hell you thought it would be a good idea to attack a combat BS in a mining BS.
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Aidan Patrick
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Aidan Patrick on 03/05/2007 21:07:45
It wasn't a combat BS. It was a tech 1 punisher. If it would have been anything bigger I would have cut my losses and left, but based on char age I figured my drones should be able to kill him. I was obviously wrong. The point of this post though is to let people know about the pirate who demanded a ransom and still blew up the ship.
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Turbulent
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:14:00 -
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Maybe you should not have attacked a combat bs with a mining fitted bs.As far as the ransom not being upheld thats between you and the pilot tbh.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:23:00 -
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Opterion you say. well if true, then he¦s KOS by all pirates imo.
we pirates here dont have many principles. and we only abstactly understand the word honor. but if there is anything that ****es us off more than anything its a wanna be pirate not honoring ransoms.
on a side note, DAMN, owned by a puni
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Aidan Patrick
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:25:00 -
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That's what 7 mining lasers and a tractor beam equipped on your high slots does for you. :(
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Idaeus
Gallente
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Aidan Patrick
That's what 7 mining lasers and a tractor beam equipped on your high slots does for you. :(
Yes, sadly you can't mine a ship.
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Requiescat
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Baby B'journ
Personally, I think you should get Concorded for stealing from someones can in high-sec. But no, macro miners being around is going to prevent that.
Personally I think you should shove it - Jettison? That means to discard. DISCARD, not put in a safe place so you can pick it up later. It's a can of trash in space, not a cabinet to store your ore in, moron, so pick on someone else. The debate has been going on for ages between people with common sense and miners who are too lazy to use secure cans, get a life and get over it.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.05.03 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
Opterion you say. well if true, then he¦s KOS by all pirates imo.
we pirates here dont have many principles. and we only abstactly understand the word honor. but if there is anything that ****es us off more than anything its a wanna be pirate not honoring ransoms.
QFT, it's just bad buisiness practice. Don't worry most people honor their ransoms. Just the 1% that don't tend to give most pirates a bad name. It's for that very reason that it's VERY bad practice to kill someone after a sucessful ransom unless you have some SERIOUS grudge against that person.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Sabre Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.03 22:00:00 -
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Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called "pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.03 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Duo
Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called "pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
Aye signed
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Saint Lazarus
Blood Stained Angels
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Posted - 2007.05.03 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
Originally by: Janus Duo
Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called "pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
Aye signed
Doubely
When d|ckhead piwates start to dishonur ransoms it gives us ALL a bad name, I have never ONCE even thought about doing it. I beat the ship, I got my prize the only thing left to do is let them go on their way.
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Janus Duo
Gallente
Sabre Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.03 22:36:00 -
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Not to mention that hisec mining BSes drop crap for loot. The guy was doing it just to be a jerk and the killmail!
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Saint Lazarus
Blood Stained Angels
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Posted - 2007.05.03 22:43:00 -
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Just one more reason Killboards suck...
Wants to be a bigshot with a BS kill on the board no doubt loads of points.
Long gone are the days it was just good enough to know yourself you had taken it and didnt need a mail...
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.04 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Janus Duo
Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called "pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
I'll say again what i've said 100 times. 99% probably of ransoms are honoured. this is not a new thing that ppl aren't honouring them but ppl never hear about the one's that are honoured because it's not thread worthy. don't let ppl put u off. if ur offered a ransom then it probably will be honoured. a few bad apples in there but still worth the risk imo if ur gonna save a lot be taking it.
DE
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monkeyduck
Mithril Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.04 03:40:00 -
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OP, if you have the killmail speak with Tyrrax Thorrk, he'll be able to deal with the situation.
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Trade Grim
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Posted - 2007.05.04 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Janus Duo
Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called "pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
I'll say again what i've said 100 times. 99% probably of ransoms are honoured. this is not a new thing that ppl aren't honouring them but ppl never hear about the one's that are honoured because it's not thread worthy. don't let ppl put u off. if ur offered a ransom then it probably will be honoured. a few bad apples in there but still worth the risk imo if ur gonna save a lot be taking it.
DE
Roger that DE is correct, however I commend you on posting the name in the forums so that all can know and see it. Unfortunatly forum posting is the only recourse for carebears that get poped after a ransom is paid and I'm glad to see the name is published. I'll be setting my standings on him to -10...and I ever get the opportunity, he's going down.
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.04 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Baby B'journ
Personally, I think you should get Concorded for stealing from someones can in high-sec. But no, macro miners being around is going to prevent that.
this has been explained before but ill explain it again. you put your ore in a jettison can, as soon as its in a jettison can it is NO LONGER YOUR ORE. if you want to securely mine use giant secure cans. and retaliating was also your fault, i dont agree with not honouring the ransom still, but you could have avoided this.
Awhile ago you didnt even get to attack the person who took your jet can.
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Lavraen
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Posted - 2007.05.04 11:53:00 -
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Hmmm each to their own about the way they pirate.
Personally, I always honour a ransom. In my opinion, if you shoot after a ransom, word would spread and your income would drop drastically. That's the thing with pirates, it's 50/50 on who you are going to get, the only way to be sure, is to not get yourself into the ransom situation in the first place, by taking steps to avoid it.
The thing is, IMHO, you shouldn't really operate ships that you cant afford. I always factor in insurance as part of the ship price, that way you cant go wrong.
Jetcan mining in a BS is absolutely going to attract attention from the local crew.
Your mistake was to engage. If you had cooled down for 10 seconds to re-evaluate the situation you would have saved yourself some ISK. What's worth more 27000 m3 Veldspar or a BS?
I know it's difficult to resist, but you have to understand an ore pirate will want you to engage because he knows that you have highs full of miner II. Right click, look at. Ore pirates aren't stupid. Most likely the ore pirate will turn up in a cheap frigate that has a few nasty surprises on board.
Eve is not all rainbows and glitterdust I'm afraid.
It's hard work when you get bombed back to the stone age but you'll recover.
I find the whole situation strangely amusing though, sorry.
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heheheh
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 12:11:00 -
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1 month old and in a BS :S
you shudnt fly what you cant afford to loose.
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Elles D
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.04 12:47:00 -
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they're more guidlines than rules ar
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Chasm Illyaki
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Posted - 2007.05.04 12:57:00 -
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why do people fight back? if you can gets flipped. invest in a secure can. don't fight people that flip cans. they're prepaired for a fight.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.05.05 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Originally by: Major Stormer
Originally by: Janus Duo
Just wanted to post and say that I am appalled by this recent trend in pirates. In most cases I have found pirates to be much MORE trustworthy than carebears. Seems that there are some bad apples though. I would like to see an IAC (whom Opterion belongs to) post in this thread about this and compensate this pilot for the loss, expel Opterion after podding him a few times, or both.
Just to let you know, I will always honor my ransoms and it really ticks me off seeing other so called
"pirates" cutting into my profit by being jerks. I am a pirate, but I am no jerk. I might try to trick people to gain an advantage, but I will NEVER dishonor a ransom.
-Janus Duo
Aye signed
Doubely
When *snip* piwates start to dishonur ransoms it gives us ALL a bad name, I have never ONCE even thought about doing it. I beat the ship, I got my prize the only thing left to do is let them go on their way.
Please don't try to evade the profanity filter, thanks. - Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Lazarus, when you come to blow me up, I expect you to hail me in local, then blow the crap out of my hauler, and then we can both have a good convo about how Eve makes it exciting for the pirate AND the hauler as well.
Then you can pick up your loot, and I can go refit another ship, and we can play cat and mouse again.
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Gronger
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Posted - 2007.05.05 15:52:00 -
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jetcan = things you have throw away... so no concord here...
"first rule. Dont fly what you cant affort to lose..." in other words. dont fly a bs without insurance. or a Tech II you cant affort to lose, dont fit more than you can affort either...
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vile56
Nubs.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.05 18:14:00 -
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for the dont fly what you cant afford people its not a waaa i got owned post its a he dosent honor ransoms post.
name and shame is always the thing to be done. it takes income away from me
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Aidan Patrick
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Posted - 2007.05.06 06:46:00 -
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Thanks for helping clarify vile56. Unfortunately the fact that it's a name and shame thread has escaped some people here. :) lol It's not that big of a deal though. I got some donations from other players willing to lend a hand. It didn't replace the ship - but it's really helping me get back on my feet. And those of you who donated know who you are, thanks a ton. :)
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Chia Mulholland
Mulholland Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.06 08:41:00 -
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Easy solution: Don't pay ransoms. Yes, you lose your ship and the fittings but hopefully you've insured the ship.
Not paying ransoms has a couple of benefits:
1) You don't run the risk of being shot anyway after paying the ransom.
2) You help make pirating unprofitable.
Also, when a pirate flips your can he knows you can attack him. He's probably considered that and think that he can win a fight. Unless you have a trick up your sleeve, he's probably right, so don't engage him.
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