making mining more interactive can resolve this problem?
basically changing the "semi-afk" style that is required right now to mine :)

But the point is, why nerf carrier ratting but leave afk mining alone?.

1) Legit question:
I was away for awhile, and it just hit me I havent seen any ore anomalies since my return.
Did CCP remove them, or did I forget that I filtered them or something?

2) Probing has already become too much of the game.
I get what you mean, but probing itself gets tedious, especially when it starts to be a part of everything.

3) In my proposal, and the image, all you need to do, is click a hex.
Simple as that.

+/-3% per cycle is substantial over time, but its hardly crippling.
If you care enough, you can adjust your hex target on your next cycle.

The real harm from bots is that they can (and will) mine 23.5/7. It doesn't matter what amount of yield they lose, since they mine longer than a human pilot could/would/should. All in all, they're wasting miner cycles on suboptimal asteroids, wasting a whole cycle to mine those last 23 units of veldspar... sho what? They will keep going on until they mine 100% of every rock.

single shard; single account.

single shard; single account.

If you make it impossible for me to use the accounts I have sunk money, time and effort into, wtf am I supposed to do with them?

One step at a time.

Carrier ratting largely only applies to NS.

AFK mining is a more complex widespread issue, but I agree it must be mitigated.

I am saying they are hurting Eve in the way that their game play affect the new to Eve player base. New and not so new players see and compete with these multiboxers and find that there is no way to compete with them on any footing. Then because of this, these people leave Eve and the player base does not grow.

Nonsense.

Are you talking about key broadcasting, or multiple accounts?

They were sure quick to do this to carrier ratting, and did it the wrong way in my opinion by nerfing fighters. But the point is, why nerf carrier ratting but leave afk mining alone? You couldn't actually safely carrier rat afk, and it actually did require some level of activity and clicking. Was still nerfed.

EDIT: I want to clarify - I'm not saying ISK from carrier ratting didn't need to be nerfed - maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I'm saying 1) I was against the way it was done, and 2) why was ISK from carrier ratting deemed too excessive for too little work, while ISK from bot mining is completely AFK?

Everyone who is concerned about this issue needs to enlist in the New Order today.

Don't just complain on forums, do something about it!

Highsec is worth fighting for!

Because there's no such thing as 'AFK mining' it requires clicking.

AFK carrier ratting is a whole different story.

I admit that most of my experiences have been in High Sec. Space.( Mining) Not all of it, but most of it.

What I am having the most difficulty with is the Bot Fleets and the MultiBoxer fleets.........

I do a bit of ratting when I want to relax and I totally understand that not everybody wants to play on an adrenalin rush all the time. But 4 years of mostly highsec mining? That sounds like a second job to me. Well.. people are different, but I would get some extractors and change the profession and give it a chance before I would leave.


AFAIK this are two very separate problems. Mining is a very monotone and simple way to play and because of that one can easily command more than one ship. Having several mining accounts and telling them all to shoot a new rock now and then is fair game to me. Highsec mining is the least complex of the low risc profession and therefore has a bad payout. Multiboxers make it worse, but it was not great to begin with anyway.

Real Boters on the other hand (there are far less than one may think, it is just multiboxing miners most of the time from what I can tell) are a pain and you should report them if you have good prove that this is botting. A couple of ships with nearly the same name shooting the same rocks is not a proof for botting. An nullsec fleet that sync warps to a POS every time someone without blue standing enters the system and mines the whole day is what we are looking for regarding bots.

At what point t does multiboxing become "wrong" to allow? Five, Seven , Twenty accounts all at once?

It never becomes wrong so long as the multiboxer is obeying the rules ie no broadcasting software, not botting. Instead of complaining people should be finding ways to deny the hated multiboxer his content, like paying someone to gank/disrupt his activities, or organizing real miners to out mine his ass and force him to move along (when he can't plex his accounts, he will move).

EVE is a game about figuring out problems, not coming to the forums and begging CCP to do it for you.

Are you are saying that Eve is a game made for multiboxing as one of it's core fundamentals?

A person running two or three accounts at one time is not the issue, but when these larger fleets come into a system and vacume up everything, people get pissed. You only have to read local or fleet chat to see that.

At what point t does multiboxing become "wrong" to allow? Five, Seven , Twenty accounts all at once?

Are you are saying that Eve is a game made for multiboxing as one of it's core fundamentals?