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mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.07 04:19:00 - [31] Edited by: mazzilliu on 07/05/2007 04:17:06 this thread is stupid. after i put the poses everywhere i started messing with fuel and anchoring stuff, but i really do not know anything about poses and didnt realize anything about the differences between larges and small poses. as for not thinking nol was your home system... theres hundreds of bob elsewhere in eve and only ~ten in nol every time i passed through on tranq, so forgive me if i didnt think it was a system of any major importance to you. at some point some other corp(friendly to us on tranq) took the same station and took away docking rights from BOB, and i asked a snigg pilot to afk pound on the station so i could give it back. after this point ive not been able to log in but belieeeeve me ive told the rest of the corp not to take away rights from bob to access anything or else they get punished on tranq because i did not want this stupid argument to continue on. anyways i am going to unanchor the towers in a few days when i get access to the computer with my singularity client on, because i cant spend this much time on eve anymore. or if you cant wait for me then take this post as my express permission for bob or isd to pop the towers in NOL. Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 06/05/2007 02:15:07 The point is that it does make a difference and it is a hassle for those involved to try to get/claim/etc these places in these situations. There does need to be a rules set established, IMHO, about outpost and station testing and sovereignty claims... Having been slightly involved with the matter as well, I'd say that Sniggerdly are indeed doing this just to be a pain. Mazz never needed sovereignty of the system to do his mass freighter fuel test, but he did need to do it with large towers to keep the realism in-check. hi, were you the one that wouldnt stop talking to me on IRC? Demon Womb 0.0 NPCing corp. 0.0 access for 20% corp tax! Join now! when in doubt,
Bloedkopp Minmatar Simian Cell Systems	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:15:00 - [32] , BOB whines about being not able to test the newest hax on SiSi
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 08:29:00 - [33] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 07/05/2007 08:25:39 Originally by: Bozse He said (iirc) which he didn't as i said later. Anyway i'll stop posting in this thread now, what needs to be said about the issue is said and the bitterness from some people will only make it end worse then it allready has become. Pointing out that the basis for this complaint (being denied access to convenient, fully seeded markets) is false isn't exactly bitterness ;) Also, care to rephrase that first sentence ? I'm having trouble making any sense out of it at all.
Bozse Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.07 09:00:00 - [34] Bahh i'll do one more then for clarification. Dian said in he's post "(iirc)" meaning if u don't know (not meant as offensive) if i recall correctly , he didn't do that as all outposts are seeded and allso some npc stations. Just after the server was mirrored i anchored a tower to gain sov and build super caps, next time i log in snigg is in process of taking the station and some discussion start, during this we see that they had filled all moons besides the one i had a tower at which ofc causes a problem if they where to go for sov as that would waste the time i had spent seting mine up. After some discussion they where given rights to dock and refit at the station dispite the fact that there was several other systems they could take there testing to, this was done under the condition that they would not claim sov. Next time i log in they are switching the towers out to large with the intent to take sov and had allso taken the station. I don't know about u but to have some one waste your time spent on setting up a pos which isn't the most fun thing u can do in eve isn't realy what i would call in the spirit of a test enviroment especialy after the agreement that they would not go for sov and the fact that there is several other systems. If it isn't clear or u have anything else to direct at me then pm me ingame and i'll answer there as i won't reply to this post. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
Copine Callmeknau Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 07/05/2007 12:09:34 Want me to call a wahmbulance? Move to one of the thousands of other seeded stations, quit ***ing. This is Dian, his dime a dozen system was taken on the test server, harden the up Dian. ----- Originally by:** Uncle Chop Chop Harden the **** up
Major Stallion The Dark Horses Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 12:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Von Druid Aren't there NPC stations in Delve that have all items at 100 isk too? Some items, yes, but (iirc) NOL is the only "fully seeded" market. wonder why....nothing to do with dev connections, right? ;)
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Von Druid Aren't there NPC stations in Delve that have all items at 100 isk too? Some items, yes, but (iirc) NOL is the only "fully seeded" market. wonder why....nothing to do with dev connections, right? ;) Ah yes, that must be it, because NOL is the ONLY system that has this, in teh ENTIRE game, right? Quick, tell d2 about bkg yeh? The bitterness of you guys really does warm my heart, so glad to have been of service to you Reikoku Diplomatic Forums

CCP Oneiromancer	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:07:00 - [38] sigh We will draw some rules concerning sovereignty and station ownership on the test server, if it really must come to this. For now, the rules of thumb are: 1. First person to put up a sovereignty-claiming POS in a system should have the sovereignty of that system, as long as it's not done in a malicious manner (intended to prevent other players from testing). 2. The corporation that takes over a conquerable station should allow all other players access to that station. However, the case in question is a bit tricksy. Yes, the BoB player was entitled to sovereignty in that system and he was understanding enough and picked another system for testing. I chose this approach because it's unreasonable to ask someone to scout a few dozen moons just to see if someone else is claiming the system, so it might have been done with no malicious intent. Secondly, if I would have blown up all the POS'es (not mentioning the huge amount of wasted time on my part, when I have other things to do, like features and fixes to test... hint hint), the other player would have been entitled to complain about wasted work and time, and with good reason. I really hate playing the policeman on the test server and I would like to believe that Eve players have a little more understanding and consideration than this. Please leave TQ politics at the door when you log in on the test server. Please don't waste our time, we really do have work to do and I believe nobody would want to see half-tested features released on TQ. Please don't be kids and drama queens and don't grief each other. Did I already mention the bit with "no politics on Sisi"...? Behave. Or else. (I have a sword and I'm not afraid to use it!) =P

Pherusa Plumosa Minmatar Freedom for All The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Pherusa Plumosa on 07/05/2007 15:52:16 Did you change anything? Because it seems Outposts are bugged now on SiSi. This is a very important question, because we need to get this question answered as soon as possible :( [15:32:42] AAAA > [15:08:11] xyz > and i wanted to test that aspect on the test server.. but some1 in OUTPOSTALLIANCE (again) desided to turn off BLUEALLIANCE access to OUTPOST grrr [15:33:09] AAAA > might wanna make sure they allow access [15:33:36] BBBBBB > No [15:33:41] BBBBBB > Not even OUTPOSTALLIANCE have access [15:33:46] BBBBBB > Test Server is bugged [15:33:54] BBBBBB > I have a OUTPOSTALLIANCE guy not bale ot dock too [15:34:06] BBBBBB > And a OUTPOSTALLIANCE Guy not able to access his Nyx in NGM, lol [15:53:47] BBBBBB > CCP Reset all Standings for somereason? Or did not import them?
Biltic Creen Minmatar Deutsche Minen und Werke Guardian Federation	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:13:00 - [40] I have the same problem. Our alliance mates can't dock at "our" station, though the standings are correct. _____ This post is not my personal opinion. It does represent the standpoint of every single player !
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.08 12:57:00 - [41] This is a seperate issue that shouldn't go in this thread, please BR it, but yes you're right, station management / rights are a bit borked. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"

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