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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:11:00 - [1] So, NOL-M9. BoB live there. Delve is where we have our stuff, it's where we login on SiSi to do our testing, it's where our characters are. It's our home... So, imagine my surprise when logging in to SiSi to find that the station ownership has changed (hi Snigg) aswell as sovereignty being applied to Pandemic Legion. The in-game intelligence to be gained from this is minimal. What isn't minimal, however, is that this effectively prevents us, as an alliance, from using the test server (Nol is the "seeded" market on SiSi). So, some questions: @snigg: Have you sunk so low that you need to pos spam us.... on... the TEST server? If you guys need access, why didn't you just, ya know, send us an email? We won't hold your bitterness against you, SiSi is there for the benefit of the game. @the devs: Is this how SiSi is supposed to work? Isn't PvP meant to be "consentual"? Does that also apply to our infrastructure and assets? Cheers. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Jita Alt	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:29:00 - [2] Wow that's lame Personally i had thought about capturing the station there for a "OMG BoB got OMGWTFBBQPWNED" forum moment, but taking it with sov and denying the people you know who will be there is just a new level of lowness
Requiescat	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:31:00 - [3] Seems a bit borked to me also. --=-- I turned off "show corp/alliance" because, to be frank, I'm ashamed of them. They'll be turned back on when I'm somewhere more suitable for someone of my talents.
Von Druid Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:50:00 - [4] Aren't there NPC stations in Delve that have all items at 100 isk too?
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:02:00 - [5] I took a station once on SiSi, just for randomness sake, and I wanted to have a look at the station managment system. But, I at least set the station to allow access to anybody that wanted it, common decency in my oppinion. -----
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 19:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Von Druid Aren't there NPC stations in Delve that have all items at 100 isk too? Some items, yes, but (iirc) NOL is the only "fully seeded" market. This is over and beyond the fact that it is where all our stuff is (my main point) including faction gear that is unavailable on the market etc Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:11:00 - [7] Edited by: mazzilliu on 04/05/2007 20:13:07 Originally by: Dianabolic So, NOL-M9. BoB live there. Delve is where we have our stuff, it's where we login on SiSi to do our testing, it's where our characters are. It's our home... So, imagine my surprise when logging in to SiSi to find that the station ownership has changed (hi Snigg) aswell as sovereignty being applied to Pandemic Legion. The in-game intelligence to be gained from this is minimal. What isn't minimal, however, is that this effectively prevents us, as an alliance, from using the test server (Nol is the "seeded" market on SiSi). So, some questions: @snigg: Have you sunk so low that you need to pos spam us.... on... the TEST server? If you guys need access, why didn't you just, ya know, send us an email? We won't hold your bitterness against you, SiSi is there for the benefit of the game. @the devs: Is this how SiSi is supposed to work? Isn't PvP meant to be "consentual"? Does that also apply to our infrastructure and assets? Cheers. it was just me that's doing it. i didn't actually realize that it was your home system because i didnt bother to look it up. i wanted to test poses and it was the closest system with a market and tons of moons to my home system where i had faction stuff, and no blood sovereignty. i planned to try mass pos fueling but some RL stuff has come up and i have to stop playing eve a lot, so i cant continue with the testing. i talked to some bob guy there and i made sure that you lost no access to anything you already had and nothing was taken away. some other people screwing around for comedy station ownership made that difficult, but in the end i'm the only person behind this. dont drag my entire alliance into this, we have nothing at all to be bitter about. it's just me testing stuff. also, take the poses down if you want, i won't be into eve for at least a week or two more. Demon Womb 0.0 NPCing corp. 0.0 access for 20% corp tax! Join now! when in doubt,
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.04 20:27:00 - [8] Originally by: mazzilliu it was just me that's doing it. i didn't actually realize that it was your home system because i didnt bother to look it up. i wanted to test poses and it was the closest system with a market and tons of moons to my home system where i had faction stuff, and no blood sovereignty. i planned to try mass pos fueling but some RL stuff has come up and i have to stop playing eve a lot, so i cant continue with the testing. i talked to some bob guy there and i made sure that you lost no access to anything you already had and nothing was taken away. some other people screwing around for comedy station ownership made that difficult, but in the end i'm the only person behind this. dont drag my entire alliance into this, we have nothing at all to be bitter about. it's just me testing stuff. also, take the poses down if you want, i won't be into eve for at least a week or two more. I don't quite believe that you didn't know it was our home system, I'm afraid, as if you were in Delve and nol was your closest seeded station then, erm, yeh, it's not as if we don't have people there all the time and it doesn't say "bob" on the sov map on tq... I don't wanna drag out the argument. There was / is no need for you to claim sov, if you guys want access to the station (in future) please don't hesitiate to evemail me on tq and I'll arrange it. In the meantime, please allow us the same. Thanks. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Will Hunter The Dogs Danglies	Posted - 2007.05.05 02:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Dianabolic @the devs: Is this how SiSi is supposed to work? Isn't PvP meant to be "consentual"? Does that also apply to our infrastructure and assets? Cheers. Most pointless whine I have ever read - On sisi its not your infrastructure - if someone wants to test sovereignty changes its not up to you where they do it, only ccp. You want to test the changes, take down the sovereignty as you would on tranq - how else is it going to be tested... ---------------------------------------------- If at first you don't succeed, give up - you tried once already. ----------------------------------------------
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 10:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Will Hunter ...if someone wants to test sovereignty changes its not up to you where they do it, only ccp. You want to test the changes, take down the sovereignty as you would on tranquility - how else is it going to be tested I never said anything different, Will. Did you miss the question I put forward to CCP? "One" person testing sovereignty, thus inconveniencing the rest of us in doing ANY kind of testing isn't really in the spirit of SiSi, is it? As the man who was apparently doing the testing has agreed just above? Thanks for your response though Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Gouglash Aliastra	Posted - 2007.05.05 12:46:00 - [11] Occasus Republica did this to S-EVIQ station in Tenal, too. Pretty lame stuff.
Echo147 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:39:00 - [12] So take it back with your 50 titans.
Thommy	Posted - 2007.05.05 13:57:00 - [13] Doesn't a sisi mirror wipe all pos infrastructure and with that any alliance claims (against intel gathering on sisi)? The problem is likely with sovereignity (operation of capital ship yards and building of capitals), which means people will choose the closest possible base of operations to their home. The problem in this case being the only place with a seed being NOL which then automaticly means everyone can count on many tests going on in / arround that place. To fix the problem would be to randomly seed multiple 0.0 places so testing is not crammed into one part causing problems with an potential space holding alliance allready there on TQ. True sometimes this will lead to targetted attempts to inconvenience certain parties but often this is a non intended result of a test going on (problem often is cleaning up after being done testing, some will do that but many more may forget causing an inconveniance to someone else accidently). Probably nothing a bug hunter / test server manager cannot sort out anyway. Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool
Valandril Caldari Reiketsu.	Posted - 2007.05.05 14:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Echo147 So take it back with your 50 titans. This post delivers ! lol --- Cheap paint ftw

BH Desryn ISD BH Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.05.05 15:41:00 - [15] When a mirror is made on sisi, ALL starbase structures are nuked since people were using sisi to gather intel on hostile starbases. Since there are no starbases, all claims to sovereignty drop. [Bug Report Here]

Bozse Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.05 17:06:00 - [16] Edited by: Bozse on 05/05/2007 17:07:20 Im sorry but i find it hard to beleave that u didn't know to begin with, another issue came up with this aswell as i personaly had the first tower in this system after the mirror only waiting for SOV to kick in when u anchored small towers at first on all free moons (50 ish) and then proceeded to change them to large with the intent to claim sov over me dispite the fact that i informed u that i had the first tower and was intending on claiming sov for testing purpouses. I got help from a dev in the end to set up in another system as there was no clear rules on this matter and it was probably less of a headake for him to do that then trying to solve what i would call your petty attempt to grief us on sisi. Intended disruption or not either way this points out that the rules regarding issues like this needs to be looked at as it's realy frustrating to have your testing disrupted by issues like this. Edit: All outposts is seeded and some npc stations aswell btw. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands	Posted - 2007.05.05 19:50:00 - [17] about as lame as planning to kill a titan while it's offline. Just move a few jumps to another station jeez. --- - We lost that fight - Quick, smack'em in local or they'll think they won!
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.06 02:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Evelgrivion on 06/05/2007 02:15:07 The point is that it does make a difference and it is a hassle for those involved to try to get/claim/etc these places in these situations. There does need to be a rules set established, IMHO, about outpost and station testing and sovereignty claims... Having been slightly involved with the matter as well, I'd say that Sniggerdly are indeed doing this just to be a pain. Mazz never needed sovereignty of the system to do his mass freighter fuel test, but he did need to do it with large towers to keep the realism in-check. ---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|---\|--- This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Bernehbum	Posted - 2007.05.06 04:50:00 - [19] lmao, you big emo dian
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.06 08:58:00 - [20] Quote: about as lame as planning to kill a titan while it's offline. That about sums it up right there. And it's on the frackin' test server! Yeah, we know you miss the glory days of having CCP's ear, and exclusive test server access. but it's time to stop whining and deal with this like an adult. _________________________________________________________
Sen'ile	Posted - 2007.05.06 09:40:00 - [21] maybe they just wanted to use the testserver for just that purpouse testing how much they needed and how fast they could put the stuff up. it is after all a test server. and now you have the opportunity to go and test taking it down. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Mirida Amarr Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:40:00 - [22] Well, the default for sisi is that people rather need access to stations than having their request denied so if a station is set up to disallow people i'm very happy with shooting it down and set management to allow everyone to dock. As for sovereignity: i think with the recent freighter changes you should be able to set up tests in neighbour systems or other stationed systems as there arent that many people on sisi. We've set up pos for sov near XZH too because we noticed that YouWhat took the chance and anchored cap maintenance arrays in xzh when they stil had sov on the first day (no need for a pos-war). What i dont like about all this is that most of those pos are only to protect supercapitals which are currently used much for testing on sisi because they tend to blow up when you're not in them (killing pilotless ships which are bumbed out of a forcefield is not covered by the consentual combat directive while attacking a starbase is). ___________________ EVE Development Network <Lead Developer>
Bozse Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.06 17:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Mirida Well, the default for sisi is that people rather need access to stations than having their request denied so if a station is set up to disallow people i'm very happy with shooting it down and set management to allow everyone to dock. As for sovereignity: i think with the recent freighter changes you should be able to set up tests in neighbour systems or other stationed systems as there arent that many people on sisi. We've set up pos for sov near XZH too because we noticed that YouWhat took the chance and anchored cap maintenance arrays in xzh when they stil had sov on the first day (no need for a pos-war). What i dont like about all this is that most of those pos are only to protect supercapitals which are currently used much for testing on sisi because they tend to blow up when you're not in them (killing pilotless ships which are bumbed out of a forcefield is not covered by the consentual combat directive while attacking a starbase is). Snigg was given rights to dock and refit, i allso informed the guy witht he towers that there was several other systems he could do that in as i was first with a tower in NOL. At the end of the day it's a testing enviroment and petty differances shuldn't play any role there but both from sniggs actions on sisi and from people in this thread it's aparant that some have issues with leaving politics on TQ. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.06 18:50:00 - [24] Wait a second, why would a conquerable be the only fully seeded market in Delve, right next to NPC stations ? WHAT THE CHRIST ? Wouldn't that make the default level of access to fully seeded markets in Delve for everybody without +ve to BoB nonexistant?
Bozse Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg Wait a second, why would a conquerable be the only fully seeded market in Delve, right next to NPC stations ? WHAT THE CHRIST ? Wouldn't that make the default level of access to fully seeded markets in Delve for everybody without +ve to BoB nonexistant? If u would have read this post in this very thread u would know that all outposts and some of the npc stations are seeded. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.06 19:50:00 - [26] Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 06/05/2007 19:47:27 @Bozse : Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Von Druid Aren't there NPC stations in Delve that have all items at 100 isk too? Some items, yes, but (iirc) NOL is the only "fully seeded" market. This is over and beyond the fact that it is where all our stuff is (my main point) including faction gear that is unavailable on the market etc This. I realize this is contradictory to statements outside of this thread. But it would make sense for me to reply to the basis of complaint here, as opposed to reality (which seems to never really be a big Dianabolic concern anyway).
Bozse Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:00:00 - [27] He said (iirc) which he didn't as i said later. Anyway i'll stop posting in this thread now, what needs to be said about the issue is said and the bitterness from some people will only make it end worse then it allready has become. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
Mirida Amarr Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:09:00 - [28] This might solve some of the issues.... The day the mirror was fresh only some outposts have been seeded, we asked some days later if some other outposts can be seeded too for testing purposes and i think thats when all outpost got a full seed of items. ___________________ EVE Development Network <Lead Developer>
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.06 22:47:00 - [29] Lol I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Wintermoon Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:46:00 - [30] I see the Coalition is forcing BoB to fight on two fronts, eh? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Lord Harold ([email protected])

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