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CCP kieron

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Posted - 2007.05.04 20:32:00 -
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Here at CCP, we have an electronic diary to check in with instead of punching a time clock. What you put in the diary is viewable by the rest of the company and brief glance can give you an idea of who is working on what. The entries from The Book of Ginger have been a great source of humor.
Unfortunately, there are no plans for the publication of the Book of Ginger, but you can see some of the tasks the Dynamic Content team are working on in Ginger's Dev Blog, The Cult of Immersionalism.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2007.05.04 20:51:00 -
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Apply Link does not appear to work.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:05:00 -
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Thanks for the blog. :) I'm not much of a RPer, but knowing the content and coherence is there is important to me. I completely agree with the comments about immersion and how we're all roleplaying to varying degrees.
Any developments pending on the Thukker front, as whinged about here?: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=223460
Generally speaking, I'd love to see more attention paid to the minor and criminal factions. And more static content options, and better logic to them, for interacting with those factions. I understand that's largely outside of an Event group's focus, but I hope that the Event team has a part to play when and if these improvements come. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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CCP kieron

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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:05:00 -
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Ginger and I both missed the period at the end of the application link. I've taken care of the period, the link should now work properly.
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toxic marc
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:08:00 -
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if i at work only had a diary i would get paid lots more houres 5am i get up 5.05 f#ck my work they pay minimum wages for a job i'm overqualified to 5.30 damn i have to run to the bakery to get bread cos i'm not allowed to eat in the main mess 6.30 sure i have to be on time to punch in, but mostly some dude is already waiting for me when i arive to solve the **** 8.30 payroll starts this late cos i had to change a 275kW driver and i hadn't had the chance to punch in before cos they where yellin "we need to operate as soon as we can" same goes for after houres when i get "standbuy calls" or when i'm designing new cabbinets, there's no punchclock around, and yet... this shows on my paycheck :lol:
so please ccp contact our local office, tell em you will not be fond of the way they treat your customers :lol:
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.04 21:33:00 -
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When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
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Botschafter Mollari
Amarr space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
I like events and would like to see MORE MORE MORE and a LOT of MORE news too.
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Callistus
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:52:00 -
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Ignore Shamis, he's just a cauldron of hate :p --------------
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LukAsh
Amarr LFC Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.05.04 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
When will Shamis realize that he is not the only one playing EVE and some people actually like to participate in events?
Not everyone is a cheater mate, and most of people actually do realize that if you cheat in a game you get bored very fast.
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Ebedar
Gallente Primary Intelligence
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Posted - 2007.05.04 23:15:00 -
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Cult of Cthulhu > Cult of Immersionalism
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.05 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
Everytime you post in a thread like this, one thing comes to mind each time.
At least you're a perfect person, right?
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.05 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.05 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: LukAsh Not everyone is a cheater mate, and most of people actually do realize that if you cheat in a game you get bored very fast.
Not everybody is a theif. So we shouldn't lock our doors.
Also, we live among a generateion of gamers who grew up with god mode turned on. They don't even know what cheating is anymore.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.05 11:19:00 -
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I like to do some "light" roleplay, and would love to partecipate (the only chance I had I was in the worst ship possible, an unarmed destroyer set up to transport a small cargo at fast speed in high sec), but wouldn't like to shelve my characters to create an Aurora events one.
So I would suggest a roleplay solution that to me seem to aid immersion and give a better chance to partecipate.
Aurora or the content division could put up some "recruiting" or "front" corporations that have the function to ghater supporters to a cause (not corporation members, but simply people wanting to support the cause).
The players interested in the cause will send a mail to the head of the corporation saying they want to help in the activities organized for the cause.
And then when the the organization need help in in some activity they can send a generalized mail to all the supporter asking for help.
As I think I haven't given a clear explanation, an example will work better:
I want to support the anti-slavery movement.
Aurora build a 1 man corp called something like: Freedom Fighter for Liberation of all Slaves (FFLS) (unimaginative, I know).
I send a mail to be listed as a supporter, FFLS cheeck my bio and see I have a good record with Minmatar and add me in the supporters files (an automated cheeck of my standings).
Next time there is a event regarding freeing slaves, protecting slaves, ecc., FFLS send a mail asking for support, something along tthe following lines:
FFLS is organizing a expedition, if you can bring a (combat ship/transport/mining ship) to the system XXX within 30 minutes were we will assemble our fleet. We think we will need your help for at least xxx time
The mail should not specify the activity if not in very broad therms, like: combat operation, refugee transport, fund raising mining op (I think wery little people will partecipate in the last one, but it will make immersion better).
There can be other kind of message, some simply to increase immersion (a bullettin like those made by Greenpace or the Missionary organizations sent to supporters), some more complex but requiring little work for the Dynamic content team, like a operation to gater help for the freed slaves, were people will bring food and clothes (texiles) to the FFLS corp to use for the freed slaves (essentially creating contracts that are automatically accepted by the FFLS corp).
The best donors will get cited in the next bullettin and the top one will a token of some kind (say a FFLS bronze tag or somethig similar, maybe a small increase in standing with Minmatar corp or faction if the standing is lower than a specific point).
Rewards for the operations should be of little or no economical value, as, supposedly, the player will do them for the roleplay fun value, not for a isk/uber module return.
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Caol
The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.05 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Caol on 05/05/2007 11:45:09 Roleplaying the negative forum poster.
Blogs on POS changes, GTC changes & other game changes > blogs on immersion and events.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.05 12:58:00 -
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First thing you guys need to do is sort out the standings and agression between all the NPC entities, especially involving AURORA actors to be honest.
Chasing a Sepentis patrol for 10 jumps only to watch them jump into Federation Navy Patrolled Space then back out when the coast is clear is a bloody joke to be honest, and is complete crap in terms of believable RP. It's disheartened quite a few of our guys out of getting involved in the RP scene.
Don't take this as abuse because they usually do a great job, but if you want to improve immersion the first stop is sorting the half assed stuff that AURORA get up to sometimes.
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Celes Arcaine
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Posted - 2007.05.05 18:07:00 -
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What do you do when your in-progress application to AURORA (step 3 or so) has seemingly got lost in the pile or something and you don't receive any further word from them?
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Sonho
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Posted - 2007.05.06 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When will CCP realize that this game doesn't need artificially generated events? Especially since they have no way of preventing insiders from gaining an infair advantage at such events.
I agree .Let us do the "events" against each other .Leave the events to the pro's(us )
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:29:00 -
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My main criticism of current events system is that it is very hard to get into / onto, especailly for casual gamers or those not in the "known" hardcore pvp corps.
Also they can be very messy and hard to manage once they kick off and there are a lot of egos at work in all the events I've attended, all of which I think can make people very arsey and generally make the experience less pleasurable
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:36:00 -
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Actually, another thing is that it is really hard to find things to do that are specifically "Roleplay"
As mentionned in blog, everyone is in essence RP'ing all the time. My personal hope would be that Factional Warfare is really well supported by Aurora events and lets people opt in to the Eve story and feel like they are taking part in the story of eve a bit more than is the case atm.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul .
Aurora build a 1 man corp called something like: Freedom Fighter for Liberation of all Slaves (FFLS) (unimaginative, I know).
I send a mail to be listed as a supporter, FFLS cheeck my bio and see I have a good record with Minmatar and add me in the supporters files (an automated cheeck of my standings).
Next time there is a event regarding freeing slaves, protecting slaves, ecc., FFLS send a mail asking for support, something along tthe following lines:
FFLS is organizing a expedition, if you can bring a (combat ship/transport/mining ship) to the system XXX within 30 minutes were we will assemble our fleet. We think we will need your help for at least xxx time
This is what happens atm afaik. Just good luck getting your name onto that list. Ofc. if we had factional warfare, then you'd have yourself a nice list of all the corps and alliances and individuals who were aligned to each faction, so the job would be a lot easier
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Botschafter Mollari
a LOT of MORE news too.
Ever considered splitting Events teams by region, or are they already? Be nice to have enough events and stuff going on to warrant "local" or "regional" news in addition to cluser-wide news
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:54:00 -
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Personally, I just wish Aurora event actors were a bit more open to depart from their script to seize exciting roleplaying hooks/opportunities provided by the players.
And also, freighter escort missions through highsec make no sense at all. It's kind of pointless to gather a group of pilots for an escort and then have those pilots unable to prevent the freighter from getting ganked because they'd just get concordokkened trying to fight off the attacking players. Don't be afraid of lowsec, Aurora! :)
That pretty much surmises my experience with events. I'm loving it though, more please! --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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CCP Ginger

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Posted - 2007.05.07 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Actually, another thing is that it is really hard to find things to do that are specifically "Roleplay"
As mentioned in blog, everyone is in essence RP'ing all the time. My personal hope would be that Factional Warfare is really well supported by Aurora events and lets people opt in to the Eve story and feel like they are taking part in the story of eve a bit more than is the case atm.
Your hope and mine my friend :)
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Bartholomeus Crane
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Posted - 2007.05.07 15:12:00 -
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I just want to add that all the background stories, the news items, and to a lesser extend the events (I haven't participated in one EVAR!), are all very much appreciated. Although I laugh at LARP-ers just as much as everyone else, I do like the suspension of disbelieve that a rich background story brings to EVE. The recent increase in these aspects of EVE is very welcome. Rumours about favoritism within Aurora have been widespread, but personally I haven't experienced them, so I can't comment. Naturally, if there's any truth to these rumours, CCP should address them hard and fast because this can ruin all the work being done now. I expect a lot from faction warfare as well, it sounds very interesting.
Keep up the good work ... --
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Helox
Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.07 15:28:00 -
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I'd love to get into some of the events... I just can't seem to find them. Wouldn't it be possible to make it more obvious what news actually contains information about an event? For instance this news part: Linkage
I bet it was some sort of event, but how do people know upfront that there is an event? Afaik there isn't some sort of agenda for it? -- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:01:00 -
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Could we please get MORE stuff happening? Why not have awesomeness in empire that appears out of no where? Have an actual raid or something by the different pirate factions. It would be cool and fun to see devs and dev types getting into the game on a consistent basis. Or maybe I'm just crazy..................
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:51:00 -
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the problem, though, is that 'eve story' is what happens out in 0.0 between major players and personalities, and as long as everything else is a bunch of disjointed 'events' played out by 'actors' and attended by rabble in search of phat lewts, it will continue to be secondary to the main event - endgame-level territorial conflict between major alliances. The primary reason behind this is that major personalities in eve (say molle, etc..) are player personalities with history, ambition and aim, not just some throw-away uber-alts cooked up by aurora, with pre-scripted 'storylines' that mean ***** all to most in the attendance. At the very least what happens out in 0.0 has tangible effect upon those who live there, real measure of consequence. I hope to see Aurora/interest cell try and integrate their storylines into what is already going on amongst the players, as they've attempted to do in the past with varying degree of success. There are really great stories happening out there, evolving and organic that feature more than glorified space-racism and people in robes typing 'AMARR VICTOR' that some have for whatever sad reason been confusing with role-playing of late.
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard It would be cool and fun to see devs and dev types getting into the game on a consistent basis. Or maybe I'm just crazy..................
wait, a second ago people were screaming on how they shouldn't be allowed to play their own game at all, heavens forbid?
Developers don't want to tool around with twinked-out throw-away uberchars doing 'raids' - thats absolute needless tossery. Besides, they're too busy playing their real characters.
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CCP Ginger

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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul I like to do some "light" roleplay, and would love to partecipate (the only chance I had I was in the worst ship possible, an unarmed destroyer set up to transport a small cargo at fast speed in high sec), but wouldn't like to shelve my characters to create an Aurora events one.
.. and other good stuff..
Well im not quite sure what you mean by creating an aurora events character but we currently use this list here kind of like the way you describe. We've had ideas along the lines you think of however, and hopefully we will find a good way of getting new guys involved alot more.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:57:00 -
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I've had the pleasure of seeing 3 events. 2 of them at random in caldari space at complete random. One the Kalaakiota incident, and once I bought some biomass from a businessman that some amarran was convinced had remains of his ancestry in them, and have no idea what to do with this aging biomass but eat it if I can. And I was a bit involved with some minmatar freaks in the bleak lands.
Only the last one actually felt like purposeful RP. People being dumb in local all through events is pretty hard to deal with. I also believe everyone in eve is always RPing to a degree, and that's about as much of it as I do normally.
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MasterDecoy
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.08 06:16:00 -
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RDEX has already participated in at least 3 events. they were all very fun to be part of. my only regret is that the mind clash champion escaped 
now, that being said, so much more could be done! once, we were 'escorting' a serpentis drug smuggler through high sec space. you'd think that the gallente authority would do something about 2 roaming vigilant in their backyard no? from personal experience in the events that we participated in, the events seem to be one of two things: escort or kill.... surely more can be done.
another 'problem' that i see is that there is not many ways to find those events. 2 of them we found in the same system (our empire 'home' so to speak), i guess the events could be spread a bit more. across different systems and across different time zone as well.
bottom line is: whenever someone from our corp sees the blue text in local, you'd be amazed at how fast everybody undocks to participate 
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ATOM ANT
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: ATOM ANT on 09/05/2007 17:02:46 "the events seem to be one of two things: escort or kill.... surely more can be done."
Perhaps. How about Rescue, Repair, Assist, smuggle, Transpoport, Espionage, Build ect.
There are some neet modules and ships available to do these things. Maybe they could be utilized. :-)
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:26:00 -
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as usual lack of out of UK timezone and lack of notification is a big issue
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MasterDecoy
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:01:00 -
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Originally by: ATOM ANT Edited by: ATOM ANT on 09/05/2007 17:02:46 "the events seem to be one of two things: escort or kill.... surely more can be done."
Perhaps. How about Rescue, Repair, Assist, smuggle, Transport, Espionage, Build ect.
There are some neet modules and ships available to do these things. Maybe they could be utilized. :-)
A.A.
well, in all fairness, they already (kinda) do. one of our ex-corpmate was asked at some point to lend his arazu to an aurora character - which he did - to transport an antidote (IIRC).
maybe a bit of pro-activeness? my corp specializes in covert operations (bombers, covert ops or force recon). i think it would be very cool if (for the sake of the example) an aurora character would contact us to ask him to watch this location for him or something to that effect...
Originally by: Callthetruth as usual lack of out of UK timezone and lack of notification is a big issue
yeah, definately agree. but the majority of players are either EU of US TZ, so can't really blame them... but it would be appreciated if events didn't happen at 6-7 AM for me...
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Gemberkoekje
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Posted - 2007.05.10 19:48:00 -
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**Points at Ginger**
Give - me - my - NAME - BACK 
lol - just kidding, please ignore me and delete this message if it's too much offtopic
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Doc Brown
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.05.11 03:16:00 -
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So what's wrong with foam swords?
Be aware that even in that environment there was a arms war. I'm proud to say that I introduced the carbon-fiber center-pole (as opposed to PVC pipe) along with the foam (boggie-board) shield.
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6 T2 BPO's + 6 Months = ?????? (But I doubt it's good)
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.11 20:19:00 -
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My friend swears by his new "latex" hammer. (He's a chainmail wearer on weekends)
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.05.13 14:16:00 -
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Oh well, I like to roleplay, yet, or maybe therefore, I have to disagree a bit. Everybody plays - yes that's what I can agree with. But does everybody roleplay? Gee, do we roleplay in reallife? Perhaps, perhaps not, some of us, most of us, definitely not none of us. But anyway, in essence, we 'play' ourselves. Roleplaying is more about playing someone else. That's not what many players in EVE do. They have an avatar, but it's meaningless. They don't play 'him' or 'her', they play themselves and have a nice, or uggly, picture to boot (more and more uggly ones lately..).
That and the lack of racial differences, also the fact that most players pilot the fotm ships, kills a lot of immersion and incentive to roleplay, at least for me.
Good luck to Aurora, but it's going to be a hard job compensating all this with events.
That said, I love events. Give us more of them. Still haven't had the opportunity to participat in one. Hopefully that'll change.
Shamis Orzoz, believe it or not, there are NPCs in this game. Those NPCs have a live, too. So things might happen that aren't player-initiated. Without 'living' NPCs, EVE would be empty and lifeless. 25k players aren't sufficient to populate 5000 star systems. EVE can never be completely player-driven and populated. Without any NPCs. It's too big for that.
As far as "unfair advantage at such events" goes - events shouldn't give any advantages whatsoever. That's the only way to make them fun and to get rid of the sleeky crowd.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.26 16:24:00 -
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Apologies for necro, but felt I needed to add this in in light of recent events.
It seems that whole storylines for events, the so called "Arcs" are written in advance and in considerable detail.
Many players expect that their actions affect the stories, and that is part of the motivation for attending events. However, sometimes stuff just doesn't go according to script.
I'd suggest that AURORA avoid writing whole scripts in advance and instead have a general idea for where they want to end up, with players making the in between. Write only the next event and have branching paths dependant on current event outcome, some of which may never get used.
Khaldari
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