Get a loan from your corp?

It sounds like you're violating one of the principal rules of eve, which is don't fly something you can't afford to lose. Even if you think your wormhole is safe, what's your plan to pay off the loan if your Rattlesnakes get blown up before you farm back the ISK?

I dont understand this. You answer the questions with "farm the isk to repay" yet your state "limited play time". If you can just farm the isk then why not farm for the rattle?

I don't get why you want me to bend over backwards for assurances and failsafes.

Also, in my first post I expressed that I'm looking for offers where you explain your terms, and I'll choose the most favourable.

[quote=Manbun Scarfbeard]
Has it ever occurred to you, peoples terms are the answers to these questions?

My assurance and failsafe is staying safe in the first place, and how even if things go wrong I'm at worst down only one Rattlesnake.

You've also mentioned your plan is to dual-box. AKA - both Rattlesnakes will be in space running missions at the same time. How can you guarantee you would only lose one? Answer - you can't. You can speculate that it is very unlikely that you would lose both, but you can't guarantee it. And if you lose both, you lose your ability to pay back your loan.

You also mentioned your corp just fought off an eviction attempt and as a result everyone's wallets are thin. Sounds like the eviction attempt hit the corp hard (not symbolic of a permanent fixture). If your corp does get evicted, how do you make ISK to pay back your loan?

You say you've received some offers in game. I would suggest you take one of them because I can't see anyone who frequents these forums wanting to get involved in this. But, I've been wrong before. Good luck!

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I think these lines of questions mainly boil down to not understanding how wormhole space works.

I have more offers than I expected to be honest, right now I have an interview set up with the guy offering the best terms.

I don't. Your explanation of wormhole space details how it's very unlikely to lose one (if your corp is competent) but it doesn't, at all, address the issue that if you _do_ lose one there is no particular reason why you shouldn't lose the other at the same time.

I think these lines of questions mainly boil down to not understanding how wormhole space works. A wormhole system is hermetically sealed once you have eyes on the holes, which means no new threats come in that you don't know about.
Knowing if a hostile entity is active in one of the systems is also something that regular scouting provides before engaging in PVE, and if that situation arises, you can re-roll the hole, or just roll them out of that particular connection. Rolling can be done in one pass, so it usually happens before the entity can react.
That leaves you with the inhabitants of the hole you want to bear in. You warp to the citadels/poses, check corp killboards, and make a threat assessment. Also, from what I found, the systems we roll into are empty (or the inhabitants are asleep), or the corp that set up shop died, or it's some guy and his 2 alts living solo.
I tire of going into details to be honest, living in wh space is very different from going in from hisec (daytripping). If you know what you are doing and have a corp to back you up, PVE losses are miniscule.
You'd have to be really bored to have a cloaky fleet camped in a system, waiting for hours for people to roll in. A well-fit passive rattle takes a long time to go down, giving the rescue fleet more than enough time to bail you out. Also, my rattles put out 1100 sustained DPS each with rapid heavies (that includes reload time), so unless they bring EWAR they are in for an ass-kicking.

Eviction attempts sometimes happen, but what happened isn't something that affects day-to-day life after the attempt is over. They tried to get some citadel timers, we kicked their asses, but fights cause ship loss on both sides. They went home, gfs were said, it's over now.
You have to consider that most wormhole entites are friendly towards each other at the end of the day, eviction attempts are mostly happening to create content, rather than the revenge fantasies you can sometimes read about.

Not staying on the warp-in, MJD, high sustained tank, rescue fleet, hole control. Puzzle it together.

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Scout alts. Proper fleet/proper logi on both sides, expensive. Teaming up halves isk/hour.

I was going to write a proper reply but you seem too hostile for me to waste text on.

I also need more injectors than what the loan is for, I'm putting my own time into it as well obviously.

Again, only shows the incompetance of your corp/alliance if they become so poor after a single defense as to not being able to afford 1.2 bill loan for you.

My concerns are valid. You are the second person ive seen in the past few months claiming to have a dual box rattlesnake set up and asking for a non-collateral loan.

I don't want to take a corp loan, not because my alliance is poor, but because I decided not to given the circumstances.

I haven't asked for any loans before.

Just get out of my thread, thanks.

And if you dont want people posting in your thread with criticism, maybe you should come back with a better argument.

Or collateral.

My arguments are fine, it's that you can't seem to comprehend them.

Then take one of the many offers you claimed to have received and let this thread die, yeah?

That also means you've been able to easily afford at least 5 injectors for that character already.

would like pledge 20b

Yea the hostile attitude, repeated insults "u guyz dunt know", lack of planning, poor numbers, no collateral and the proverbial "I have in game offers but want to keep asking here" makes this a no brainer.

It's easy to get on the bandwagon I suppose, but my attitude reflects the attitude of the post I'm answering to, the planning is good, the numbers are correct and I don't know what else to tell you, I do have offers, but the request was open-ended, hence the thread stays open.
If you are interested and have legitimate questions, shoot me a message and I'll go over them with you. Otherwise, I'm not really interested in your snobby attitude.

Just out of curiosity...after reading this thread I'd like to raise a few points
1.) "10-20 man rescue fleet" out of all those people, no individual has any money spare for you? Why do you assume asking for a loan here on an NPC character with no incentive to pay back will result in a better answer than asking your corp for money?
2.) "1.8b is still a lot of time" - if it's a lot of time, how do I know you won't just send ISK to main character and biomass? You're not losing anything after all.
3.) Why haven't you accepted the offers you have received so far? I don't see anything positive in this thread, I don't know how you yourself assume better offers will come forward from the discussion that has been conducted in this thread.

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Should you try again for a loan, set out the terms you would like, provide as solid a business plan as you can, if possible have collateral. solid business plan is not dualboxing wh sites and 10-20 people will come save me.

1.) They might, but like I said in several posts above, I'd like to solve this without my corp. The emphasis was on the "I don't want to" part, and I told you why.

I'm not trying to scam anyone. 1.8b is still a lot of time i'd have to put in if i were to farm that much with only 1 rattler. I've answered every question thrown at me that wasn't just the author being a smartass - I'm sorry if uncollaterized loans have a bad rep.
Me posting from an alt has to do with opsec in general, we have strict rules regarding posting with an in-corp toon. Seems like a good idea in hindsight with all the hate i'm getting.

MD regulars pick apart these loan schemes from the wrong angle. I could write you the most believable fairy tale (I think I did good) when I have f* all to back it up with.

If the scammer did his homework, he'll be able to talk himself out of questions regarding the backstory.

I'm more than happy with the amount I got, I was hoping the small ask price would make people more willing to risk. Thinking back on it, with the numbers I presented, I should have went into the 3b range to make things more believable (it came up often in this thread as well), but that's a conclusion I made after the die was cast, so I rolled with it.

Hi guys, I thought I would add a bit of colour around how I fell for this. I made some pretty basic mistakes, primarily due to lack of RL time to do proper research. Hell, I did not even read the posts in this thread over the past few days before I spoke to Manbun earlier today.

In hindsight, a lot of things should have rung my alarm bells. I was thinking about asking for APi keys but honestly could not be bothered to waste all this time on a 1.8bn loan. Key lesson for the future is to pass if I simply don't have the time to do proper background checks.

As for Manbun's work, he did a pretty good job. His backstory seemed plausible, though I was a bit confused as to why he would not reveal the name of his wormhole corp to me...

In summary, mistakes are learning opportunities (and hazing opportunities for all neutral observers ). I have learned my lessons, so feel free to pile in with your comments.

You can't claim he did a good job when you just admitted to not reading anything in the first 2 pages.

Thus we've come to the end of the road.

Personally, I hold no hard feelings over this. Manbun created content. A sandbox like EVE would be boring as hell if it was not for people creating content, in whatever shape and form. This is not a moral endorsement of scamming, but just a practical view of life in EVE.

Hi guys, I thought I would add a bit of colour around how I fell for this. I made some pretty basic mistakes, primarily due to lack of RL time to do proper research. Hell, I did not even read the posts in this thread over the past few days before I spoke to Manbun earlier today.

In hindsight, a lot of things should have rung my alarm bells. I was thinking about asking for APi keys but honestly could not be bothered to waste all this time on a 1.8bn loan. Key lesson for the future is to pass if I simply don't have the time to do proper background checks.

As for Manbun's work, he did a pretty good job. His backstory seemed plausible, though I was a bit confused as to why he would not reveal the name of his wormhole corp to me...

In summary, mistakes are learning opportunities (and hazing opportunities for all neutral observers ). I have learned my lessons, so feel free to pile in with your comments.