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Shay Astar
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:34:00 -
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Hello,
I conducted a search for previous threads on this topic, but the information seems scant. I'm getting the feeling that rockets are a pretty neglected weapon type. :(
The one useful thread I did find stated that rockets are affected by all the missile support skills except for Guided Missile Precision, since rockets aren't guided. Fair enough.
But what about ship boni? As far as I can tell, ships with boni to missiles don't seem to be helping. I was checking out some of those goofy Caldari ships, and my heart nearly broke when I stumbled upon the Condor, which explicitly references Rockets in its description (and, as far as I can tell, is the only ship in the game to do so :( ).
Then there are modules. I'm not on my EvE computer right now, but I think I realized a few days ago that Ballistic Control Units only partially help rockets. If I remember correctly, the RoF bonus was being applied, but the damage bonus wasn't. I was going to check again tonight after I got home.
So, honestly, what is the deal? Sometimes rockets need to be explicitly mentioned to receive boni, but other times not? Can anyone definitely determine for me whether modules and ship boni help rockets at all?
Thanks.
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Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:40:00 -
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whats a Boni ?
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.06 18:41:00 -
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My rocket drake doesn't get bonuses!?!?
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Zhett Haukes
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Tom Shandy
whats a Boni ?
I think they mean Bonuses, but lets leave before the grammer police get here :D
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Suvetar
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Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:08:00 -
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Boni-M ??
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Femaref
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:14:00 -
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Bonus is a latin word, and the correct plural is 'boni'. It's translation is 'good', but can be used in the terms 'makes better'.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Femaref
Bonus is a latin word, and the correct plural is 'boni'. It's translation is 'good', but can be used in the terms 'makes better'.
right, but we don't speak latin here do we? even if a language adopts a word from another it is still subject to grammar of the language it was added to.
in german the plural is Boni. in english it is bonuses. whatever it is in latin it doesn't matter.
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Zhett Haukes
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:22:00 -
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Dictionary.com definition of bonus
I quote, "n. pl. bo+nus+es "
Oh, with regards to the question. I don't know  Sorry!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 06/05/2007 19:25:43
hello pretentious forum poster
a simple jump to google would prevent you from being a fool
a thread about the correct plural form of bonus has even been found on the eve forums themselves
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=434409
now if you said fora for forums you might have less controversy but since we are speaking [writing?] in English you would still be wrong
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: SiJira on 06/05/2007 19:27:13
Originally by: Femaref
Bonus is a latin word, and the correct plural is 'boni'. It's translation is 'good', but can be used in the terms 'makes better'.
hello pretentious poster #2
might you also have said virii to viruses ?
indeed you may never stop being a fool
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:33:00 -
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now to see how many times the poster put that abomination of bonuses in their post - they must be a troll
i would agree that rockets are neglected though and should fire faster at closer ranges and do more damage
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Zhett Haukes
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:35:00 -
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funny how a simple bit of grammer can completely over shadow the original question.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 06/05/2007 19:33:30
How about virus? How many people say viruses? Cactus?
Sounds like debating this issue is kind of stupid. It's a prefectly valid mistake. Just applying a rule to a language of exceptions...
Back on topic (heheh) I don't believe missile bonuses apply to rockets at all in any other cases. I am curious about the BCU's only applying -some- bonuses to rockets though. Why would that be the case?
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:38:00 -
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'How many idiots does it take to answer a simple question?'
More than 7 apparently.
@ OP:
You're right about the skills that affect it. Some implants don't affect rockets either I think but i'm not sure.
If a ship bonus applies to rockets it will say so. I'm pretty sure that all ships that are likely to fit rockets have the bonus listed (e.g: Hawk, Worm, Kestrel, Condor apparently).
And about the BCS: right clicking on the missile in your hold won't display the bonus. You have to right click on your ship > show info > modules tab > scroll down to ammo and show info on the rockets you have loaded If their damage isn't being affected by the BCS, then it's broken and you need to bugreport it.
Sorry about everyone who posted before me.
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Zhett Haukes
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 06/05/2007 19:55:03
My posts were not intended to insult the OP, I was just answering a question I saw in reply to the post. I also did say that I didn't know the answer to the question, and apologised!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Sorry about everyone who posted before me.
pretentiousness runs deep in these forums
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Posted - 2007.05.06 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Sorry about everyone who posted before me.
pretentiousness runs deep in these forums
I started to type it up before you posted.
Calm down man.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
I started to type it up before you posted.
Calm down man.
ok :) lets boost rockets !
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:16:00 -
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1. The guy said hello
2. He actually bothers using capitals
3. He didnt type a immense wall of text
4. He is asking a very normal question
5. Crow has a bonus to rockets and is very capable of using these. FOTM are std missiles though.
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:22:00 -
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I think HAMs need boosting before rockets do!
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Icarus Starkiller
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.06 20:40:00 -
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Many caldari ships get bonuses to rockets.
Kestrel (bonus to kinetic rocket & light missile)
Crow
Flycatcher (bonus to damage & velocity)
I kestrel & horrify inty tacklers by pelting them with precision rockets at 24 km (38km in Fly catcher). If they survive long enough to close & tackle they don't stick around long at all.
Assault frigs, tho... ow. They out-tank my poor little kessie despite the high ROF on the rockets.
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Shay Astar
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:44:00 -
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/me looks around, tears welling in her eyes...
/me runs away...
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Lygos
Amarr
Insane Asylum
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:49:00 -
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I am curious about this too.
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Kyoi
Shuttles Dont Tank Well
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Posted - 2007.05.06 21:58:00 -
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Sorry, "Boni" is not the correct plural, it may be in Latin but not in English.
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Del Narveux
Obsidian Angels Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.05.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Shandy
whats a Boni ?
Boni 
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.06 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 06/05/2007 23:52:59
Originally by: Femaref
Bonus is a latin word, and the correct plural is 'boni'. It's translation is 'good', but can be used in the terms 'makes better'.
The correct neuter plural would be bona, I think.
Not that it matters, because bonus is an adjective which translates as good - it can't be meaningfully pluralised.
The whole bonuses (correct) / boni (incorrect) discussion stems for the general misuse of the word in english (with respect to its Latin usage).
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Altrex Stoppel
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:40:00 -
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This forum has a damn bone for grammar...
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.07 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 06/05/2007 23:52:59
Originally by: Femaref
Bonus is a latin word, and the correct plural is 'boni'. It's translation is 'good', but can be used in the terms 'makes better'.
The correct neuter plural would be bona, I think.
Not that it matters, because bonus is an adjective which translates as good - it can't be meaningfully pluralised.
The whole bonuses (correct) / boni (incorrect) discussion stems for the general misuse of the word in english (with respect to its Latin usage).
Actually... let's see how much of my school latin stuck:
sg.:
bonus
boni
bono
bonum
bono
pl.:
boni
bonorum
bonis
bonos
bonis
And unless I'm very much mistaken, adjectives were declinated just as nouns in latin.
Aaaanyways... in German, we don't say "bonuses", we say "boni", so I'm pretty sure other languages might also use that. We can forgive his confusion, right?
As for the topic... nvm.
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Phaedruss
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:12:00 -
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I posted about a problem I'm having on the development forum and ships/modules forum but no explanation yet.
Before DT yesterday I looked at the Max Velocity Attribute of the T1 rockets fitted on my Crow (on fitting screen and 'show modules') and of the T1 Cruise missiles on my Raven, on both Singularity and TQ. The Singularity numbers were correct for both rockets and cruise missiles, however on TQ there is/was a problem.
With Caldari BS level 3 (10% max velocity bonus/level on Raven), Interceptors 4 (10% max velocity bonus/level on Crow) and Missile Projection 4 (10% max missile velocity bonus/level)I got the following results on TQ:
Crow with T1 rockets: 3465 m/s (before and after DT- should be 4410 m/s I believe)
Raven with T1 Cruise: 5775 m/s (before DT) and 6825 m/s (the correct number, after DT)
A corp mate, with Caldari BS lev 5 and Missile Projection 4 showed a Cruise missile Max velocity of 5775 m/s after DT (higher skills than mine, but with the same max velocity number I had before DT).
Has anyone seen this before?
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Shay Astar
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Posted - 2007.05.07 02:44:00 -
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I'm tired of getting ragged on for no particular reason, and since nearly everyone on these fora seem to have something to prove, I figured I might as well amuse myself and join in on this absurd e-peen contest, so here we go:
To say that adjectives can't be used in place of nouns is an interesting argument, considering that it's so thoroughly wrong. In Latin, adjectives are called 'substantives' when they stand in for a noun, just like they are in English. The word 'substantives', in fact, means 'standing under'. (And, just for fun, guess from which language we derive the word 'substantive'.)
Quote:
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Who's going to tell me that the word 'meek' in this sentence that I so obviously just made up is a noun? Go on, I'm waiting.
Then there's the issue with words apparently having to conform to the borrowing language. Well, that's a good point...except that any English-speaking professor of physics or mathematics who says 'radiuses' to one of his colleagues is going to get laughed at. There are plenty of words in English that retain their original inflections, so ignorance and misplaced pride aren't terribly good excuses for deriding careful or perceptive speakers.
A person can conceivably make the argument for 'bona', or even possibly 'bonae', but it often depends on the context.
And if a CCP representative wants to say 'bonuses', that's fine by me. If he wants to pronounce 'Apocalypse' as 'bananaphone', I'm also hip to that jive. As for me, I'll stick with what I know works.
I appreciate the answers given in relation to the original questions, and to the rest of you: thanks for the jaunt.
Since the pretentiousness in here has already allegedly reached unprecedented levels, I thought I'd crank it up to eleven by leaving you with this gem:
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Ignorantia juris non excusat.
Enjoy yourselves.
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