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MilhouseNixon Amarr Intergalactic Business Solutions	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Wild Rho I dunno if it's just me but I find all this obsession with kill stats a little depressing. A little? More like a lot. Especially if you are a member of Goonswarm
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.05.08 04:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Ralle030583 Edited by: Ralle030583 on 07/05/2007 14:20:21 can somebody post or send it to me([email protected]) a list of the involved partys? like this: BOB MC ... vs D2 ... i could try to made stats on eve-kill.net Greetings Ralle Oh noes, its phoenix alliance! ISD raped my sig!
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.05.08 07:53:00 - [33] Originally by: MilhouseNixon Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Wild Rho I dunno if it's just me but I find all this obsession with kill stats a little depressing. A little? More like a lot. Especially if you are a member of Goonswarm It's an attitude I've had a long time before I ever started flying with the goons mate.
X0TPO534 Old School Players	Posted - 2007.05.08 08:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz The thing to remember when viewing bob's killboards is this: Their killboard summarizes everything based on battleship kills/losses. But bob use mostly t2 cruisers and ceptors. So bob always look like they win against a bs fleet, even though they may have lost as many hac's as the other side lost bs's. Shamis I remember their huge campaign to buy as much t2 bpo as they could when t2 started. So I beleive they have now an awesome collection of HAC, Inties BPO's. I'm sure they build it for members at build cost, if this is right, then, fitted HACs cost them half price of a fitted BS. I'm not sure of that, they maybe only generate ISKies from those prints, but I doubt, anyways, your point was good. ________________________________________________ Killing **** since 2K3.
Don Kartel	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:25:00 - [35] Edited by: Don Kartel on 08/05/2007 11:21:53
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:26:00 - [36] Well at the moment This seems to be your average day for bob, so i am guessing the numbers will be seriously in their favour. Also note Goonswarms killboard is a waste of time and effort as the figures are certainly fixed and misleading. Their board went down for a while and when it came back up all the numbers of kill/losses were in their favour and even some of them were the same i.e. kills/losses for cruisers were the same as heavy assult ships etc showing they were possibly fixed at those quantities. If all the information was coalated i am sure it will show one thing and thats, that the BoB and Co. are winning hands down and probably having loads of fun at the expense of goonswarm and friends.
RaBbLe66 Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:32:00 - [37] Quote: the BoB and Co. are winning hands down and probably having loads of fun at the expense of goonswarm and friends. I suggest that you look a little more closely. Fountain seems to be where most of the action is at the moment, and even the BoB tenant's killboards show that not only are they losing isk and numbers wise , but also the type of ships BoB tenants are flying are becoming cheaper and less T2 fitted, a sign that the strategy of beating down BoBs economic base is working From another place Dianabolic- How the ** is this guy reading all our **
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.08 11:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari This built-in distortion ruins the ability of killboards to determine the course of a war when multiple alliances are involved on both sides. Yeah but it makes everyone look good which is ultimately all anyone really cares about anyway with regard to killboards. With regard to OP, its also hard to know what to count. We went South and had a number of fights with RISE over a 2 week period for ****s and giggles. Now we are not part of any coalition but would RISE include those figures as part of its performance report on the basis that if you are not on bob's side you are automatically on the other side?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:27:00 - [39] Edited by: Troubadour on 08/05/2007 14:25:01 A centralized killboard run by CCP would be make the game lame. This game is not about K/D ratios and who killed more BS then who. It's about the players making it what they want it to be(Believe it or not, most players are in empire and don't know anything or give a crap about this war). And in large wars like this, it's about who holds the field at the end of the day. I believe Oveur stated he would NOT implement a ccp run KB because it would turn the game into a K/D ratio E-Peen match. This is not Counter-Strike. Besides, things that really matter like POS killings and outpost takings don't even get killmails. I can assure you though, Thus far the Northern + Southern Coalition has lost more of the stuff that counts then the Alliance. (capitals, posses, outposts, morale)
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:40:00 - [40] Good post there Troubadour except for you ofcourse also retiring with the baseless and pointless e-peen stroking you've just argued against :)
Laura Baretta Minmatar Caelestis Caedes	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:50:00 - [41] I agree with Troubadour. EvE shouldn't be about K/D ratios. In small scale corporations it's about having fun doing what you do. In Alliance warfare it's about conquering / defending /controlling space. The outcome of a war can not be predicted by K/D ratios. It's won by winning strategic and tactically important key-battles. Removing hostile PoSes, conquering hostile Outposts and holding / controlling the area after that. It's a game of stamina and attrition. An alliances KB can look great, but they still might lose their territory in the war. It's all about being able to control your claimed space.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.08 14:52:00 - [42] Edited by: Troubadour on 08/05/2007 14:51:50 Originally by: Fred0 Good post there Troubadour except for you ofcourse also retiring with the baseless and pointless e-peen stroking you've just argued against :) except the north and south getting smacked around by the alliance isn't baseless, it's a fact. And I'm not saying it has anything to do with a K/D ratio. :)
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:05:00 - [43] Originally by: RaBbLe66 Quote: the BoB and Co. are winning hands down and probably having loads of fun at the expense of goonswarm and friends. I suggest that you look a little more closely. Fountain seems to be where most of the action is at the moment, and even the BoB tenant's killboards show that not only are they losing isk and numbers wise , but also the type of ships BoB tenants are flying are becoming cheaper and less T2 fitted, a sign that the strategy of beating down BoBs economic base is working You sir are incorrect. Just the other day Xelas and Co took out a large number of capital ships trying to make a challenge and I assure nothing that happens in fountain hurts BOB's wallet as the residents pay nothing. Then again who would ever expect an alt troll to be right.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.08 15:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Dominixa <snip> nothing that happens in fountain hurts BOB's wallet as the residents pay nothing. </snip> You're probably right -- and it's a brilliant strategy by BoB to put a meat shield in Fountain and let everyone run amok and get drunk on incredible amount of stuff to destroy as you please. But I can't be bothered to care, since I'm also drunk on the incredible amount of kills moving to Fountain for the last 10 days has racked up for us. I always wondered what why Fountain residents didn't pay any tax in isk... Now I know. I <3 you sweet Fountain distractions!
Enre Sung Market Control Paradigm	Posted - 2007.05.08 17:45:00 - [45] HELLO I HAVE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL KILLSTATS LET ME POST THEM RIGHT IS BOB KILLS LEFT IS COALITION KILLS Titans 12\|19 Motherships 150\|44 Dreadnaughts 1,985\|2,199 Carriers A BILLION\|A BILLION Battleships 21/hr\|19/hr Elite Battlecruisers 0\|0 THESE NEVER LEAVE SAFESPOTS WTF IS THAT Battlecruisers >9,000\|3720 to 1 Elite Cruisers 1337\|31337 (GET IT THEY ARE ELITE CRUISERS HA HA I ***** ME UP) Cruisers 80085\|I'M RUNNING OUT OF PUNS Elite Frigates INTERCEPTORS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP POWERUPS LIKE IN SHMUPS Frigates 2\|9,443,775,137(GOONSWARM JOKE) These numbers are completely accurate, if you try to dispute them you're trolling and I will report your post to the moderators
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.08 19:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Dominixa <snip> nothing that happens in fountain hurts BOB's wallet as the residents pay nothing. </snip> You're probably right -- and it's a brilliant strategy by BoB to put a meat shield in Fountain and let everyone run amok and get drunk on incredible amount of stuff to destroy as you please. But I can't be bothered to care, since I'm also drunk on the incredible amount of kills moving to Fountain for the last 10 days has racked up for us. I always wondered what why Fountain residents didn't pay any tax in isk... Now I know. I <3 you sweet Fountain distractions! Yep and you are not any closer to NOL- now than when you started, are you?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.05.08 20:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Enre Sung HELLO I HAVE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL KILLSTATS LET ME POST THEM RIGHT IS BOB KILLS LEFT IS COALITION KILLS Titans 12\|19 Motherships 150\|44 Dreadnaughts 1,985\|2,199 Carriers A BILLION\|A BILLION Battleships 21/hr\|19/hr Elite Battlecruisers 0\|0 THESE NEVER LEAVE SAFESPOTS WTF IS THAT Battlecruisers >9,000\|3720 to 1 Elite Cruisers 1337\|31337 (GET IT THEY ARE ELITE CRUISERS HA HA I ***** ME UP) Cruisers 80085\|I'M RUNNING OUT OF PUNS Elite Frigates INTERCEPTORS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP POWERUPS LIKE IN SHMUPS Frigates 2\|9,443,775,137(GOONSWARM JOKE) These numbers are completely accurate, if you try to dispute them you're trolling and I will report your post to the moderators you sir, win eve.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.08 22:26:00 - [48] Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 08/05/2007 22:22:36 Originally by: Dominixa Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Dominixa <snip> nothing that happens in fountain hurts BOB's wallet as the residents pay nothing. </snip> You're probably right -- and it's a brilliant strategy by BoB to put a meat shield in Fountain and let everyone run amok and get drunk on incredible amount of stuff to destroy as you please. But I can't be bothered to care, since I'm also drunk on the incredible amount of kills moving to Fountain for the last 10 days has racked up for us. I always wondered what why Fountain residents didn't pay any tax in isk... Now I know. I <3 you sweet Fountain distractions! Yep and you are not any closer to NOL- now than when you started, are you? Technically we started in curse, we're now in fountain. So we are alot closer. ----
Algorithm 5 Caldari Hakata Group Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.09 00:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Dark Shikari Its really difficult to tell. The only way would be if someone made an automatic killboard parser that combined the kills from all sides' killboards into a single database. I deny in the strongest terms any accusations that I might have already done this to create an automated dossier and threat-level calculator for enemy pilots!! erm... (hides)
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.09 04:17:00 - [50] CCP could do it.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.05.09 04:27:00 - [51] Originally by: RaBbLe66 Quote: the BoB and Co. are winning hands down and probably having loads of fun at the expense of goonswarm and friends. I suggest that you look a little more closely. Fountain seems to be where most of the action is at the moment, and even the BoB tenant's killboards show that not only are they losing isk and numbers wise , but also the type of ships BoB tenants are flying are becoming cheaper and less T2 fitted, a sign that the strategy of beating down BoBs economic base is working I suggest you look a little closer. Over half of the alliances that were in fountain moved on to help others out in other space because nothing is going on in fountain. Snig / Goons / Horde go in and gank mission runners, ratters, and a few others not paying attention or just looking for a fight. MM is the only one in Fountain doing any real damage, they are attacking pos's and such. It has cost them a significant amount of isk but they are doing it. So not sure what your looking at. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.09 05:18:00 - [52] Originally by: X0TPO534 I remember their huge campaign to buy as much t2 bpo as they could when t2 started. So I beleive they have now an awesome collection of HAC, Inties BPO's. I'm sure they build it for members at build cost, if this is right, then, fitted HACs cost them half price of a fitted BS. I'm not sure of that, they maybe only generate ISKies from those prints, but I doubt, anyways, your point was good. What they pay for them is irrelevant. Their worth is determined by the market.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.09 17:57:00 - [53] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 09/05/2007 17:57:26 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: X0TPO534 I remember their huge campaign to buy as much t2 bpo as they could when t2 started. So I beleive they have now an awesome collection of HAC, Inties BPO's. I'm sure they build it for members at build cost, if this is right, then, fitted HACs cost them half price of a fitted BS. I'm not sure of that, they maybe only generate ISKies from those prints, but I doubt, anyways, your point was good. What they pay for them is irrelevant. Their worth is determined by the market. True, and a lot of people tend to overlook this. If BoB members get their HACs cheap then that just means the BoB corps lose the money instead of the individual pilots. However, given the abovementioned t2 library in BoB's possession, this is probably a hit the corps can absorb with ease, because money is still pouring in from t2 sales. -----
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.05.09 21:16:00 - [54] Originally by: SumDum Edited by: SumDum on 07/05/2007 02:59:59 I have never understood why there is not a centralized, CCP in-game killboard. In-game mechanics tracks kills per hour and by day, sends you the killmail with the kill/loss why not just take it one step further and make one giant killboard. I know some corps and alliances are worried about unintended intel gained from killboard information, some corps don't have public killboards at all. So make it an option either Corp/Alliance or personal to allow Concord to forward killmails to the CCP killboard or not. This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. I would recommend Corp and alliance can override it's members disire to post / not post. EI. Alliance has 3 settings, Must post, Must not Post, Optional Posting. Only under optional does it check your corps killmail settings (same 3 options). If corp is also optional, then it checks the pilots settings which can be: Post killmail / losses or Do not Post kill mails / losses. Then ccp can make a real killboard. I'd also like if the kill mails were stripped of all intel. Only show what pilot + ship(s) killed what pilot + ship. Do not show weapons used and do not show items destroyed. They may as well delete killmails after they are 12 months old too since nobody really cares about kills that old. The last two points are to address the issue of too many kill mails to keep the database effecient. I'm going to post this recommendation in the game dev forum. -Bart

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