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Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:33:00 - [1] Over the past couple weeks i have seen and been tackled by motherships, now although it is halarious, it is a bit stupid that one MS can tackle and kill its enemy, it defeats the need for an Interceptor :P Personally i think that since an MS cannot be hit with any EW, then it shouldnt be able to use EW, Thats my two cents, as it would make a Mothership much more realistic, oh and i realise this game is fiction :P Just want some thoughts :)
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:38:00 - [2] I don't see why they shouldn't. I don't think it's a terribly efficient use of slots but an MS is huge, i'm sure they could fit whatever they wanted onto it.
Competition Master United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:40:00 - [3] Just change sides to whoever owns the mothership. Oh, you already have about three times! Who are D-R with this week, btw?
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Competition Master Just change sides to whoever owns the mothership. Oh, you already have about three times! Who are D-R with this week, btw? D-R is with D-R, and is in IRC and has been, now if you want to flame go do it where our CEO has made a perfectly reasonable statement as to what we did/doing, or not at all. Please can we stay on topic :) I'm not complaining because i don't have one, besides people in the coalition do own them(i dont know anyone personally, but i know someone does), i am not saying this simply because i was killed by one, if i was going to get annoyed everytime i died, i wouldnt pvp :P I just simply feel it is inappropriate for that type of ship to be immune to EW but to be able to tackle.
Competition Master United Nations Intelligence Taskforce	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:54:00 - [5] I thought it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion, it's worked often enough for you in the past. Ta ra.
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 20:57:00 - [6] Take it to CAOD troll.
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.06 21:00:00 - [7] Edited by: Glitch 10240 on 06/05/2007 20:56:37 Originally by: Marquis Dean I don't see why they shouldn't. I don't think it's a terribly efficient use of slots but an MS is huge, i'm sure they could fit whatever they wanted onto it. Yea, i know what you mean that they are wasting tanking/cap slots, but i just think it is overpowering ya know, because think about it, it can tank so much and kill BS's with ease, because of 20/25 fighters, and almost never have to worry about being stopped from getting out (besides bubbles), so why should it be able to be used as an Overly Extremely heavy tackler :) However if anyone wants to throw the isk arguement at me, i will have to agree there that MS owners will feel they are simply protecting there 20 or so bill investment :P
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:26:00 - [8] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 06/05/2007 23:23:56 Don't get within warp scrambling range, it's not like the MS will outrun you. :) Also, most ships will be able to warp off before the MS can scramble them due to locking speed. The MS has to sacrifice med slots (thus tank) to fit (a) sensor booster(s), warp scrambling and webbing to keep an enemy ship in place.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Marquis Dean I don't see why they shouldn't. I don't think it's a terribly efficient use of slots but an MS is huge, i'm sure they could fit whatever they wanted onto it. Efficiency, atleast in this case, is a matter of opinnion. Would you say a Mothership is being very efficient when its Fighters are scattered accross the system chasing some target who warped off? Its why a lot of Carrier pilots choose to fit a Disruptor of some description. And as Waagaa says, they ain't exactly speed demons -----
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:35:00 - [10] @ Glitch: the balance in this case would be that a/ it is a loss of a crucial slot, and b/ the MS's 2+ minute (probably) locking time on anything smaller than another capital. And fitting sensor boosters to counter that... well that's alot of cap rechargers you're losing. @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Marquis Dean @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand. Tacklers don't get it right all the time. You often fly a BS in a gang without a Disruptor just because sombody else in the gang has one? Its worth it just for the off-chance you get stuck alone and need to shoot your way out. -----
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Marquis Dean @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand. Tacklers don't get it right all the time. You often fly a BS in a gang without a Disruptor just because sombody else in the gang has one? Its worth it just for the off-chance you get stuck alone and need to shoot your way out. That's not really the same...
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Marquis Dean @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand. Tacklers don't get it right all the time. You often fly a BS in a gang without a Disruptor just because sombody else in the gang has one? Its worth it just for the off-chance you get stuck alone and need to shoot your way out. That's not really the same... How isnt it? -----
Marquis Dean Energy.	Posted - 2007.05.06 23:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Marquis Dean @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand. Tacklers don't get it right all the time. You often fly a BS in a gang without a Disruptor just because sombody else in the gang has one? Its worth it just for the off-chance you get stuck alone and need to shoot your way out. That's not really the same... How isnt it? I'm too tired, w/e. You win.
Kurfi' Legimo PROGENITOR CORPORATION	Posted - 2007.05.07 01:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Glitch 10240 Over the past couple weeks i have seen and been tackled by motherships, now although it is halarious, it is a bit stupid that one MS can tackle and kill its enemy, it defeats the need for an Interceptor :P Personally i think that since an MS cannot be hit with any EW, then it shouldnt be able to use EW, Thats my two cents, as it would make a Mothership much more realistic, oh and i realise this game is fiction :P Just want some thoughts :) The man here is just asking for opinions. No need to bash IRC alliance or Dragons Rage. Its justa game -Kurfi stop nerfing my sig devs =p
SumDum AirHawk Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 03:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Competition Master Just change sides to whoever owns the mothership. Oh, you already have about three times! Who are D-R with this week, btw? Witty? Yes. Funny, absolutely. Relevant? Not in the slightest. All of us, at one point or another each one of us must resist the urge to troll. Some of us succumb to it from time to time, other's never will. I just had a slight bout of it myself tonight. And while it is always easy and fun to point and laugh, that is not the best use of these forums. That's what COAD is for my man. They are dying for this in there right now, the place is a little boring go spice it up. AHE wants YOU!
SumDum AirHawk Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.07 03:32:00 - [17] Back to the question at hand, never tell a mom what to do with her slots. They paid the time and price for that ship, let them fit for tackle. It's not the best use of the ship, but it isn't going to ruin the balance of Eve. If everyone was running around tackling in mom's it would be funny, but still wouldnt unbalance the game. AHE wants YOU!
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:19:00 - [18] lol, yea all points taken, and trolling, leave it to CAOD pls :) As for the major thing people are saying, the locking time, one NYX that was in system has about a 20sec lock time on my Crow, maybe less, using dual sensor booster II's im guessing
Zeerover Caldari DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Marquis Dean @ Chronus: an MS caught without proper tackling support, if not an entire fleet, deserves to get smeared over a roid. Using an MS as a PvP solopwnmobile is a double edged sword, just one blob with a dictor and it's in serious trouble, especially if it's cyno support isn't on hand. In this year alone I have run into a solo Nyx gatecamp in Lonetrek and The Forge. Most of us who regularly travel in the low-sec parts of these two regions know who I'm talking about. He sits off the gate with his solopwnmobil and tries to lock you down, and you fly off if you're in anything smaller then a Battleship. Funny thing is that he sits under 10 jumps from Jita and has done this regularly for several months and nobody has ever muscled a reganksquad. Solopwnmobil'ing in a Nyx is quite possible, useful and apparently practical.
Enkilil Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.07 11:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Glitch 10240 Over the past couple weeks i have seen and been tackled by motherships, now although it is halarious, it is a bit stupid that one MS can tackle and kill its enemy, it defeats the need for an Interceptor :P Personally i think that since an MS cannot be hit with any EW, then it shouldnt be able to use EW, Thats my two cents, as it would make a Mothership much more realistic, oh and i realise this game is fiction :P Just want some thoughts :) depending on the circumstances, that's not a bad setup. if you can't adapt and overcome then it's YOUR problem. A mothership should be able to use EW just like any other ship. if you don't like it, tough *****. quit whining like a little girl and fit your ship to accommodate. stop being such a puss.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion	Posted - 2007.05.07 13:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Glitch 10240 lol, yea all points taken, and trolling, leave it to CAOD pls :) As for the major thing people are saying, the locking time, one NYX that was in system has about a 20sec lock time on my Crow, maybe less, using dual sensor booster II's im guessing I get an 18 second lock time on a MWDing Crow with 2x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Boosters. Possible that 1 Officer SB could achive that too, not sure how much better than SS they are... Most MS pilots wouldnt be caught dead with T2 gear fitted, just as a matter of principal. -----
Glitch 10240 Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.05.07 16:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Enkilil This thread is a waste of everyone's time. Then why did you read it?

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