Its a long story.

Short answer - The reason you have battle ships with 200k ehp and then a weird jump from that to 2000,000 ehp then 20,000,000 ehp is CCP didn't have a long term plan and certain now fundamental mechanics like alliances, POS and their 10s of millions of HP were afterthoughts.

You also had a very vocal group that developed who wanted carebears forced out of highsec for ganking purposes and demanded no new toys for that area.

Very messy ad hoc development, worst I've seen in any game.

In what way are you saying this?

In the sense that he has absolutely no knowledge of it at all, but as a bittervet is making **** up to look knowledgeable while just continuing to look like a complete tool.

IZ things.

I'll say it again, Dominion Sov destroyed Eve Online's future.

I'll say it again, Dominion Sov destroyed Eve Online's future.

Which has nothing to do with the question of why are capitals in the game.

Carriers were introduced in Exodus: Red Moon Rising, just the fourth expansion of EVE (and the third of the Exodus expansion series).
Dreadnaughts were introduced in Exodus: Cold War, the exodus expansion before Carriers.
Titans were introduced in Exodus: Red Moon Rising, the same time as Carriers.


Exodus: Cold War: June 29, 2005
Exodus: Red Moon Rising: December 16, 2005

Dominion: 4 years later: December 1, 2009

Nothing at all to do with the question.

As to Dominion sov destroying EVE future:

Game release: 2003
Dominion sov: 2009
Now: 2017

The game has existed longer since the introduction of Dominion sov than it existed before it had Dominion sov.

Some destruction.

BS / HAC fleets should be the mainstay to Eve combat, not Capitals.

Dominion Sov is where we saw the massive surge in Supercapitals in game due to the HP buff and invulnerable POS in Capital systems.

It made them hugely more useful and vastly lowered the risk of building.

Before this there was still a question of the utility of Cap and Supers; Which way Dev would go, either nerfing them and lowering their relative value, or buffing them and making them essential.

They made them essential.

Making something that takes so long to train essential to the game vastly limits new player options to basically go with established groups, hence group stagnation and stagnation of null, eventually stagnation of the game.

Keeping BS / HACs the longest training essential ship classes of the game would allow greater turn over to who runs what parts of space, hence less stagnation overall.

Basically with Dom Sov, CCP sealed its long term growth potential and viability with a short term gain.

Captials and Supers should not have been so unbalancing to Hi Sec that it made in necessary to prohibit them.

BS / HAC fleets should be the mainstay to Eve combat, not Capitals.

-Nobody actually suspecting anything even when the OP won't address the actual arguments provided by the people in this thread

Captials and Supers should not have been so unbalancing to Hi Sec that it made in necessary to prohibit them.

BS / HAC fleets should be the mainstay to Eve combat, not Capitals.

Trust me, don't...
Been there, done that, flew a supercap. Sold it again after a while

Trust me, don't...
Been there, done that, flew a supercap. Sold it again after a while

Capitals should be powerful enough they are unbalanced in high sec :D always.

I think your perspective is a bit skewed on what is used - the headline fights tend to escalate to capitals, the big hell camps, etc. which will be prominent in people's minds but much of the day to day fighting is cheap high mobility ships like HACs (though usually t1 or faction equivalents, etc. as HACs are still a bit in no mans land) sometimes escalating to the likes of machariels or rattlesnake fleets, etc.

10/10

-Nobody actually suspecting anything even when the OP won't address the actual arguments provided by the people in this thread
-Even with some whine- and rage-like arguments the OP manages to keep his cool just enough not to reveal his true purpose of the thread
-Just enough balance in between replying back to his own thread and throwing some more gasoline into the flames

One of the best ones I've seen in the forums in a while.

He only addresses stuff he thinks he has some counter point too.

Anything that makes too much sense, he just ignores.

Yes, I like counterpoint (I write music... in my spare time at least) :)

Anyway, I don't respond to everything because...

1) If I did there would be huge walls of text,

2) It would be seen as jumping on and responding to each and every little word everyone says,

3) I don't have enough time in the day,

4) Sometimes someone says something that has some knowledge I can't speak to, a historical perspective i don't know about, or some experience I can't relate to (how it was back in nullsec 5 years ago, blah blah).

5) Other.

Yes, I like counterpoint (I write music... in my spare time at least) :)

Anyway, I don't respond to everything because...

1) If I did there would be huge walls of text,

2) It would be seen as jumping on and responding to each and every little word everyone says,

3) I don't have enough time in the day,

4) Sometimes someone says something that has some knowledge I can't speak to, a historical perspective i don't know about, or some experience I can't relate to (how it was back in nullsec 5 years ago, blah blah).

5) Other.

...Look, at the end of the day, it's no big deal, and I really don't care that much either way...

The only reason I'd want to see caps in highsec is to make newbies go "Wow!"

I think this would be best achieved by CCP adding more capship NPCs to highsec. Or holding more events where players get to shoot at capships in highsec.

Then why did you start this thread in the first place? Just to be an argumentative SOB?

Then why did you start this thread in the first place?

I get it, you're a troll, along with Jenn aSide who is one of the biggest trolls on this forum. But I'll bite anyway.

I wonder if it could be true that there are at least 100 things I'd fix first before doing any gymnastics or backflips - assuming any are required - to put capships in highsec... and yet I still have a question as to why capships aren't allowed in highsec?

I wonder if it could be true that if capships are never put into highsec, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it at night, I wouldn't cry, I wouldn't quit the game or threaten to quit... and yet I still have a question as to why capships aren't allowed in highsec?

I wonder if it could be true that this thread is not unlike most threads I post, and also not unlike most threads most people post. Their lives don't depend on the question they have or the point of view they put across (balance on this or that particular unit, etc), they won't lose any sleep at night over any issues presented... yet they still went through the trouble to start a thread.

Naturally, you don't care about the answer to this question - you're just a forum troll. But for anyone else reading this, I wonder if any of this could be true?