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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:22:00 -
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I'm sorry OP but you are very incorrect. I am a father of 3 very young children and I live in low sec and PvP.
Recons are awesome you can cloak and go afk. There are stations in low sec you know that right? It's called docking. Safespot and log with no aggression if you have no cloak.
In high sec you can have issues too. Ever been scrammed in a lvl 4 mission with full aggro?
You are just making excuses. CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1184
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:35:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful. You're wrong in just about every way but if you don't want to leave high sec then don't leave high sec. No need to attention ***** on the forum about it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
510
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:42:00 -
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Honestly, the OP needs to avoid MMOs if he's concerned that he might need to be able to drop what he's doing at a moment's notice. Any multiplayer game is going to require your attention. You can't just walk away from a game of StarCraft or Team Fortress 2 without consequences. Those consequences are just more serious in Eve, especially as they can affect those around you. Even in WoW (which I've never played), walking off in the middle of a raid seems like a Very Bad Thing.
If your wife can wait 30 seconds while you warp to 100 km off a random celestial and log out, your ship is most likely going to be there when you log back in. But in general my suggestion would be to just avoid MMOs because as soon as you do anything involving other people, you're just going to lose friends when real life gets in the way.
There are SP space games that are quite fun. I'd suggest them. Or play on SiSi where ships are cheap and nothing matters anyway :) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
596
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, someone who can't accept reality.
Let's point and laugh. No need to be mean to the OP.
In more than one online dictionary, you will find the word 'Tippia' in the definitions for both 'obtuse' and 'immature'.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
112
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:45:00 -
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Trantor Terminus wrote:Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to loose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king. hoh ?
I have no idea what my contribution is supposed to mean. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
312
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:48:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.
Its called...get in an alliance and log out in stations...
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Treks Shadow
Third Rail Crew
26
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:48:00 -
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Anarson wrote:To things that make you live so much more in Low Sec, Null Sec, and WH space is a cloak. When you have to go afk becuase of RL issues, warp to a safe spot and cloak up. THIS |
Eliana Bandokar
Robonia
21
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:53:00 -
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To a certain extent I'd agree that anything outside of highsec can be more difficult for casual players. We often don't get enough playtime all in a row to take part in fleet stuff and a lot of us can't say for sure when they'll next be online, which prevents us from getting into certain awesome activities. This is all just fact, it's the same whatever your game and it's something you deal with as your priorities in life change.
On the other hand, hobbies and relationships are both important, and neither one should prevent someone from having the other. If your relationship completely negates the possibility of being able to say "this 2 hour block of time once a week is mine, and will only be disrupted in an emergency" then there are bigger issues at play here, just the same as someone who neglects his wife to play a game 24/7 would also have issues. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
2274
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:In more than one online dictionary, you will find the word 'Mr Epeen' in the definitions for both 'obtuse' and 'does not comprehend reversals'. Fortunately, you can fix those problems quite easily.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
49
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:57:00 -
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Come on OP, you can do it... venture into Low Security space. If you need, I'll be waiting to hold your hand. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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Adonis Lee Ongrard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:08:00 -
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Eliana Bandokar wrote:To a certain extent I'd agree that anything outside of highsec can be more difficult for casual players. We often don't get enough playtime all in a row to take part in fleet stuff and a lot of us can't say for sure when they'll next be online, which prevents us from getting into certain awesome activities. This is all just fact, it's the same whatever your game and it's something you deal with as your priorities in life change.
On the other hand, hobbies and relationships are both important, and neither one should prevent someone from having the other. If your relationship completely negates the possibility of being able to say "this 2 hour block of time once a week is mine, and will only be disrupted in an emergency" then there are bigger issues at play here, just the same as someone who neglects his wife to play a game 24/7 would also have issues. Win. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
25
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:16:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.
This really isn't the game for you. Having recently lost almost all my isk I moved out of high-sec to low-sec with the view of "I've got nothing else to lose', I've even met some very nice people along the way. Sure I get shot at now and then but it isn't a big deal. I know I can return to high-sec any time I would like if it gets too rough, but to be honest, except for mining, it isn't that much more dangerous. I would even venture in to 0.0 if there were a decent number of stations to operate from, but there isn't.
If it is really that much of a burden, fit a cloak, but as a long time carebear with family issues as well, I just can't support your concern at all, you really are in the wrong game. Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
263
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:36:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote: Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper.
Seriously dude your priorities are all wrong. EVE is much more important than any diaper. The kid won't mind rolling around in his own excrement for a few hours while you finish your roam. After a while the crying will stop and he'll fall asleep.
Either that, or just buy PLEX and if you lose a ship you replace it. Then when your kid complains to you in 20 years that you are a crappy parent because you couldn't afford to send him to college, remind him about all those PLEX you had to buy because he was a noisy little brat, and tell him that if he really wanted college so bad he would have studied hard enough to get a scholarship.
Dude - put your foot down. You are the head of the family now. Anyway why the hell isn't your wife doing all the baby stuff? That's what wives are for. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
656
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:37:00 -
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You have convinced yourself that these are the reasons you do not venture into Low/Null sec.
You are lying to yourself.
You can dock. You can cloak. You can go to a safe spot. You can ask your corp mates to cover you for a couple of minutes. You can log off. You can fly ships you can easily afford to lose. You can fly with cheap but effective implants. You are not a single parent.
Do yourself a favor and admit that you are simply uncomfortable losing ships/pods, and don't want to look stupid at first while you learn the ropes.
Once you do that you can actually address those issues and start exploring the diversity of game play that New Eden offers. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
432
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:45:00 -
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Thomas Abernathy wrote:Xolve wrote:
Fly Rifters.
People in null seldom have implants in- so if you die/get podded, so what.
Only noobs fly without inplants, anywhere...if your that concerned about losing them, apparently your not making much isk....
I was addressing the OP, who is in fact, a noob.
Everytime You Masterbate, A New-bee (Goon) Gets a Rifter! |
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
30
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:09:00 -
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Alrione wrote:Go back to wow (or swtor).
Ironically, comments like the one above are more of a reason to not go to null/low/wh space than any perceived fear of losing pixels. Not to mention the cries/whines/try-hard 'NOOB!' shouters, tbh takes one to know one.
Also Ironically, comments like the quote above are usually made by people who would actually benefit from encouraging inexperienced or RL engrossed players out into the darker parts of the game. Yet people still loudly dribble "go bk to WoW k lol!!" at the mere mention of a player not going outside highsec.
Its apparently your game too null/low/wh citizens, try to encourage rather than humiliate, it'll make your game better in the long run. |
Cipher Jones
222
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP
Yeah thank GOD it caters to a completely different breed of coward, one who is to afraid too shoot at ships that fire back.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Cipher Jones
222
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:16:00 -
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Alrione wrote:Go back to wow (or swtor).
I wish that everyone who felt like the OP would.
And in addition to that, everyone who had carebear alts that stay in hisec to finance PvP would leave on all of their mains and alts.
Just for a week.
And you know what would happen?
Not a god damned thing. The server would have ONLY bots on it.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
6
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:23:00 -
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I will give you one EVE like...
But one EVE dislike... (that dosen't exhist)
Just like you, I am a casual player...
Unlike you I've spent years in low sec and in 0.0... If your smart you can still thrive anywhere in EVE whilest having a life...
It's really not that hardGǪ |
Liam Mirren
70
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:48:00 -
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Since when does "casual" mean "mentally ********", you can do lots of stuff while playing casual. If by "casual" you mean "too stupid to put some thought into what you're doing" then you would be right ofcourse, but honestly I see nothing wrong with that. Why should the game cater for zero-effort morons? If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
520
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:51:00 -
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This is a regular conversation at my house.
Me: Kids are in bed. Anything you need me to do?
Wife: Yeah, X, Y and Z.
Me: *does stuff* Alright, got that stuff done. I'm gonna go play some games now.
Wife: Okay.
I told here when we were dating ten years ago that computers and computer games were my primary hobbies. She gets that this is my "guy time" to just do whatever I feel like doing, and I choose to spend that chatting with friends and shooting stuff. I do occasionally get interrupted, but we have an understanding and it works for us. |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
433
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:56:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Alrione wrote:Go back to wow (or swtor). I wish that everyone who felt like the OP would. And in addition to that, everyone who had carebear alts that stay in hisec to finance PvP would leave on all of their mains and alts. Just for a week. And you know what would happen? Not a god damned thing. The server would have ONLY bots on it.
Ahh Cipher Jones, the infamous 'Thread-Chameleon' hard at work.
Last week, you were the OP. Everytime You Masterbate, A New-bee (Goon) Gets a Rifter! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:07:00 -
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i understand OP's position, but listen OP. the trick is to log out at a safe spot when you need to do something. low and null is shown wrong to most people the reality is nullsec is almost all dead empty. you can go 50 jumps without a soul in local. usually when you see that person in local they are cloaked, in a POS shield, or docked in a station. lowsec is about the same as well.. in lowsec the most dangerous system is the one neighboring highsec.. after the first jump its very well possible to be alone.
good hints are fly small ships, rifter, punisher, cruisers, drakes/hurricane use a jump clone so you can spare your implants max insure your ship if you think your are being followed warp to a planet then to another and make a bookmark halfway through the warp, warp back to the bookmark and log out, don't log back in for an hour or so. if real life comes up cloak and move away from any object never auto pilot never afk without being cloaked at a safe spot |
Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
9
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:16:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:i understand OP's position, but listen OP. the trick is to log out at a safe spot when you need to do something. low and null is shown wrong to most people the reality is nullsec is almost all dead empty. you can go 50 jumps without a soul in local. usually when you see that person in local they are cloaked, in a POS shield, or docked in a station. lowsec is about the same as well.. in lowsec the most dangerous system is the one neighboring highsec.. after the first jump its very well possible to be alone.
good hints are fly small ships, rifter, punisher, cruisers, drakes/hurricane use a jump clone so you can spare your implants max insure your ship if you think your are being followed warp to a planet then to another and make a bookmark halfway through the warp, warp back to the bookmark and log out, don't log back in for an hour or so. if real life comes up cloak and move away from any object never auto pilot never afk without being cloaked at a safe spot
Good tips, My original post is skewed a bit towards ignorance of low/null life. So it is more of a noob like impression of what the wild-west of space looks like. I spent a couple months very early on in Fountain (BRUCE!). I'm good at transiting through lowsec (especially now that I have a blockade runner and a cov ops, but fast frigates are cool there too.) I have a fair idea of what's going on.
The dangers are manageable. It's just a learning cliff. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
62
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:40:00 -
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OP posted a lot of words when all he really had to post was "I have no balls". |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
24
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:48:00 -
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While i can kinda sympathize with the OP..... there are other games that you can and should play if you havent got the time to fully dedicate to EVE, this game takes no prisoners, and thats the way it should be. Most MMO's now days hold your hand make it things far to easy, pandering to 12 year old whiny kids wielding mummys credit card...this isnt one of those games.
Im not gonna be a d*ck and say "go back to WoW" etc, ...but honestly when you come to play EVE, the best advice i can give.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
824
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP
Yes, you are truly a paragon of inspiration for all mankind because you choose to live dangerously.
In a game. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:59:00 -
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You do realize you can be suicide ganked in high-sec while either missioning or mining, right? And don't talk to me about cost because there are corporations out there that make a career out of ganking "casual" players like miners and missioners regardless of the cost. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1185
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:01:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP Yes, you are truly a paragon of inspiration for all mankind because you choose to live dangerously. In a game. Says the guy always talking about how hardcore he is because he lives in a wormhole
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
128
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Posted - 2011.12.29 23:09:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.
Believe me I understand where you are coming from but here are a couple of my thoughts.
1) tell your wife you can't just hit pause whenever and this game is fun but the ships cost money. She needs to understand this at least a bit.
2) Casual players do not all want safety. I surely don't. My biggest problem with the game is the opposite. Once I get a few hours where I can dedicate to some pvp - chances are everyone is playing it safe and its impossible to find decent pvp. People in this game are often so worried about protecting their 10 cent rifter its almost impossible to get a fight.
3) It would definitely help if ccp built some mechanics that brought about some frequent quality small scale pvp for us more casual players who don't have hours to spend waiting for fleets and roaming around "hunting".
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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