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Guillame Herschel
NME1
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Posted - 2011.12.30 14:41:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:I just want there to be an understanding that you can't lure time and RL constrained people out.
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Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici
Bringers of Death.
21
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:53:00 -
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OP, I feel for you. I am far more casual at this game than virtually everyone I play Eve with. It does mean that I'm often the weak link in a fleet. It means I'm perpetually poor and it means I don't participate as much as others because I don't have the time to sink into the game.
But I still enjoy PvP. (by extension low sec, null sec and WH)
PvE is just a way to make isk to PvP for me. WH's pay really well (but Sleepers are tough) and with a couple pals in BC's, we can make enough isk in a couple hours playing that I can then outfit small PvP ships. Since I don't usually get to take part in really huge alliance fleets that run for half the day, I don't care much about bigger ship hulls, specializing in small craft.
After a WH or two I can outfit a couple frigates to pew pew.
My usual MO is to run PvE all week (a few hours or so) with my implant clone for lower training time, then on the weekends I jump to a stripped clone and head out to low sec either solo or in a small gang.
It's limited in scope, but no less fun. You just have to set realistic goals for the time investment you put in.
Casual, to me at least, is more about not living on EFT, not running multiple acct's or a platoon of alts just to play a game. I am happier learning what works on a ship by losing one rather than humping EFT stats. I think alts or other accts in a game is beyond lame, and specifically why I was attracted to Eve- no need for an alt except to 'work the system' which is a nice way of saying 'cheating' to me.
So don't think 'casual' isn't possible in Eve. It is, and I contest it's more fun. Read these forums and see the 1 person in 10 that ever mentions actual FUN in this game......threads on how not to play (tell me what to fit, skill to train, what to think...) and threads whining about hating this group of players, or that ship class, or blah blah.
I think this game is utterly lost on the majority that play it, becoming little more than a calculator with cool graphics. STAY CASUAL- keep enjoying the GAME you pay to play.
Lastly- if you ever run into me out in the ether, I'll be happy to fleet up with another casual player. We will have more to talk about than the latest EFT numbers............. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
619
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:59:00 -
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I want CCP to fix it so I can play when I am on a submarine.
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Torin Corax
Zebra Corp
77
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:00:00 -
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Cloora wrote:I'm sorry OP but you are very incorrect. I am a father of 3 very young children and I live in low sec and PvP.
Recons are awesome you can cloak and go afk.
There are stations in low sec you know that right? It's called docking.
Safespot and log with no aggression if you have no cloak.
In high sec you can have issues too. Ever been scrammed in a lvl 4 mission with full aggro?
You are just making excuses.
This^
Would also add that there are plenty of corps out there that are active in low/ null peopled by those with similar RL constraints. It is understood that family/ work etc. come first....even during an op. If baby needs changing, starts screaming whatever, then go deal with family. Anyone with a brain is going to understand, if not find a different corp.
If it's a big problem then staying away from the more critical fleet roles may be in order. Just be honest about your time constraints up-front, and find a corp that understand and accept them.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
140
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:25:00 -
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Torin Corax wrote:Cloora wrote:I'm sorry OP but you are very incorrect. I am a father of 3 very young children and I live in low sec and PvP.
Recons are awesome you can cloak and go afk.
There are stations in low sec you know that right? It's called docking.
Safespot and log with no aggression if you have no cloak.
In high sec you can have issues too. Ever been scrammed in a lvl 4 mission with full aggro?
You are just making excuses. This^ Would also add that there are plenty of corps out there that are active in low/ null peopled by those with similar RL constraints. It is understood that family/ work etc. come first....even during an op. If baby needs changing, starts screaming whatever, then go deal with family. Anyone with a brain is going to understand, if not find a different corp. If it's a big problem then staying away from the more critical fleet roles may be in order. Just be honest about your time constraints up-front, and find a corp that understand and accept them.
This is good advice. Until you start taking risks in eve you won't understand why many find it to be great.
That said lets assume you move plenty ships of fit and ready to go to low sec and convince your wife to give you 2 solid hours to play so you can pvp. You still may find that all you do during that time is warp around looking for a decent pvp fight and then dock after the 2 hours is up. That is where this game sucks for casual players.
CCP could do more for casual players by making mechanics that lead to frequent quality smalll scale pvp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
619
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:52:00 -
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A mechanic that removes cowardice as a human trait.
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Gothikia
Regeneration
0
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thankfully EVE will not be changed to cater towards cowards like the OP
Here here, nothing is stopping you from popping into lowsec in an AF in a gang with a casual corp, or even popping your head into nullsec.
To the OP:
Quit carebearing, you seriously don't know what your missing. Eve is a wonderful universe that actually rewards risk. And I don't just mean ISK. If it wasn't for me taking risks or being ballsy, i wouldn't have friendships in EVE that span 7+ years, people whom I speak to on a daily basis, people whom I've even started a business with.
If you want to shake in your little boots in high sec, run missions, mine and ship spin all day, that's good for you, but you're missing out on a whole different world entirely.
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Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:05:00 -
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I've gone AFK for whole days in nullsec. Warp to safe pos, orbit. your ship will autocorrect itself if someone tries to bump you out, and unless they can change the pos's password, you're completely safe. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
74
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:08:00 -
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You see... I can understand your problem, but if you can't sit even 30 minutes without a break playing, it's just not your thing to go low or 0.0. It's for people who got more time.
It's good that you can enjoy high sec with the time you have :)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
2491
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:13:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:This game is awesome for hardcore. The problem is hardcore gamers are a small fraction of people who play games.
For casual players, anything outside of high-sec is a disaster waiting to happen. Simply boiled down, I don't want to lose a ship/pod because I had to go change a diaper. There is no pause button, which is understandable. Another way to look at it is, there is no amount of ISK that can replace the safety of high-sec. There is no amount of reward that can overcome the inability to walk away from the game the moment the wife shouts "Come here!" and you must just walk away.
if you want to find me in nullsec or lowsec, there needs to be so much of it that a roaming gang has a 1% to 5% chance of finding me on any given day. I need to be comfortable enough that I can walk away from my computer for 15 minutes and reasonably expect my ship and stuff to still be there.
These are the forces you are up against when you try to draw a causal player out into the insecure world.
Reward != Safety, and for causal players, Safety is king.
Edit: I don't want anything changed except people's expectations that everybody wants to live where ISK is bountiful.
Why can't you just log out when your wife yanks your chain?
Expecting 15 minutes of unconditional safety isn't even reasonable in hi-sec, never mind 0.0
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
144
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Posted - 2011.12.30 17:30:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:A mechanic that removes cowardice as a human trait.
That would be great.
But short of that they could improve, for example, fw plexing to make it fast paced and dynamic. (see my sig) It's not impossible to make games that involve fast paced dynamic pvp. CCP just has never really even tried ourside of fw plexing. That was sort of a half ___ed attempt that they abandoned for years instead of iterating on it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Hannibalx
Bladerunners
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Posted - 2011.12.30 18:47:00 -
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Pay no attention to the interweb bullies here - vadges in real life all of them. As a casual player who also has a wife and kids pulling my attention away from eve, I still manage to enjoy living the nullsec life. Just be honest about your situation with whatever recruiter you talk to and take time finding the right corp. There are lots of guys like us who actually have lives outside of eve. Just don't take a vital role in fleets and be prepared to warp to a safe and log in hostile territory. There are lots of good posts in this thread to help you figure out the best way to survive (sometimes) and still manage your dad duties. |
The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:48:00 -
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a good argument indeed, but your terribly wrong. Eve is a multi player game, you argument only holds strength if you were a solo player.
Stop being solo. |
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