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ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.05.11 11:49:00 - [61] Much love to noobs in dreads. Like the miner dread DaMiGe mentioned. And how about the unfitted revelation our corp found wandering at a planet. \o/ to noob nubbins dread pilots. Keep em coming!
Raneru Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:38:00 - [62] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 09/05/2007 15:00:05 Originally by: illusionary beauty Pretty lame. Sore losers ftl. Dont understand why CCP hasnt added a feature to the game to discourage such tactics. make it so you cant activate self destruct while being targeted. make it so all modules survive make it so you get no insurance whatsoever when you self destruct. its basically insurance fraud anyways. eh? the self destruct is there for virtually the sole purpose of making sure nobody else gets your stuff. where is the sore loser bit? you accept gatecamping in a mothership as perfectly reasonable behaviour, but consider stopping somebody getting anyhting off your doomed ship to be 'lame' and the pilot a 'sore loser' who is 'ftl'? you're not one of the guys who insist that fitting stabs on a hauler is cheating are you? If i was going to lose a dread, hadn't been offered any kind of ransom and had no friendlies in the area to get my stuff back.. hell, i'd hit the big red button too. it's not a temper tantrum if it's the only thing left to do, surely? He should have accepted the fact he was going down and gone out shooting. Its the equivalent of realising you're about to lose a football match so you pop the ball and run off crying. It should take ages and ages to break a dread tank (if you can fly it properly ofc). There is more than enough time to get in support surely?
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.05.11 12:48:00 - [63] what i don get is if he was usin t2 torps surey h more or less had te skils fr capital weopons?
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.11 14:30:00 - [64] Originally by: Raneru Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 09/05/2007 15:00:05 Originally by: illusionary beauty Pretty lame. Sore losers ftl. Dont understand why CCP hasnt added a feature to the game to discourage such tactics. make it so you cant activate self destruct while being targeted. make it so all modules survive make it so you get no insurance whatsoever when you self destruct. its basically insurance fraud anyways. eh? the self destruct is there for virtually the sole purpose of making sure nobody else gets your stuff. where is the sore loser bit? you accept gatecamping in a mothership as perfectly reasonable behaviour, but consider stopping somebody getting anyhting off your doomed ship to be 'lame' and the pilot a 'sore loser' who is 'ftl'? you're not one of the guys who insist that fitting stabs on a hauler is cheating are you? If i was going to lose a dread, hadn't been offered any kind of ransom and had no friendlies in the area to get my stuff back.. hell, i'd hit the big red button too. it's not a temper tantrum if it's the only thing left to do, surely? He should have accepted the fact he was going down and gone out shooting. Its the equivalent of realising you're about to lose a football match so you pop the ball and run off crying. It should take ages and ages to break a dread tank (if you can fly it properly ofc). There is more than enough time to get in support surely? Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Oliandra Friginia	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:13:00 - [65] I may dislike the guy for one reason or another of my own and I'm glad to see him lose a dread, but I have to say he did earn his skills, he didn't just go and buy the account. If I was the head of his corp though I'd watch out for him, and I wouldn't trust him though, Pro has a long history of swindling corps and messin them over along with robbing them blind.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:57:00 - [66] Originally by: Oliandra Friginia I may dislike the guy for one reason or another of my own and I'm glad to see him lose a dread, but I have to say he did earn his skills, he didn't just go and buy the account. If I was the head of his corp though I'd watch out for him, and I wouldn't trust him though, Pro has a long history of swindling corps and messin them over along with robbing them blind. are you sure he didn't buy the account? how can someone play for a year and a half and think that fitting a nano t2 seige dread is a good idea? i really find it hard to believe unless the guy pretty much never played the game.
Garrett Crowe Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 15:58:00 - [67] Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 09/05/2007 15:00:05 Originally by: illusionary beauty Pretty lame. Sore losers ftl. Dont understand why CCP hasnt added a feature to the game to discourage such tactics. make it so you cant activate self destruct while being targeted. make it so all modules survive make it so you get no insurance whatsoever when you self destruct. its basically insurance fraud anyways. eh? the self destruct is there for virtually the sole purpose of making sure nobody else gets your stuff. where is the sore loser bit? you accept gatecamping in a mothership as perfectly reasonable behaviour, but consider stopping somebody getting anyhting off your doomed ship to be 'lame' and the pilot a 'sore loser' who is 'ftl'? you're not one of the guys who insist that fitting stabs on a hauler is cheating are you? If i was going to lose a dread, hadn't been offered any kind of ransom and had no friendlies in the area to get my stuff back.. hell, i'd hit the big red button too. it's not a temper tantrum if it's the only thing left to do, surely? He was offered a ransom though :) --- Originally by: CCP Ginger. ...Or as I like to refer to myself. An imported sperm bank.
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:50:00 - [68] Originally by: Garrett Crowe Originally by: ry ry Edited by: ry ry on 09/05/2007 15:00:05 Originally by: illusionary beauty Pretty lame. Sore losers ftl. Dont understand why CCP hasnt added a feature to the game to discourage such tactics. make it so you cant activate self destruct while being targeted. make it so all modules survive make it so you get no insurance whatsoever when you self destruct. its basically insurance fraud anyways. eh? the self destruct is there for virtually the sole purpose of making sure nobody else gets your stuff. where is the sore loser bit? you accept gatecamping in a mothership as perfectly reasonable behaviour, but consider stopping somebody getting anyhting off your doomed ship to be 'lame' and the pilot a 'sore loser' who is 'ftl'? you're not one of the guys who insist that fitting stabs on a hauler is cheating are you? If i was going to lose a dread, hadn't been offered any kind of ransom and had no friendlies in the area to get my stuff back.. hell, i'd hit the big red button too. it's not a temper tantrum if it's the only thing left to do, surely? He was offered a ransom though :) LOL ransom. Nice joke. Personally I'd have to agree with this line of thought. If you know you're going down, and you have the option to rob your assailants of your loot, killmail, or anything at all really... it makes perfect sense to do so. You strike back at them in any way possible. Honor has nothing to do with it. There is no honor in this game, ESPECIALLY among thieves (pirates, griefers, PKs, whatever you want to call them). What sickens me is that caps can be lost to such an insignificant assault force right next to a station simply because of some bug that prevents people from docking even when they clearly should be able to. Getting webbed/scrammed when 10k+ off a station and dying because of it? Sure, no prob... Undocking, and then trying to re-dock immediately, only to be bumped off and popped because of a poorly designed station combined with a poorly-designed game mechanic? Lame.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.11 16:54:00 - [69] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn What sickens me is that caps can be lost to such an insignificant assault force right next to a station simply because of some bug that prevents people from docking even when they clearly should be able to. Getting webbed/scrammed when 10k+ off a station and dying because of it? Sure, no prob... Undocking, and then trying to re-dock immediately, only to be bumped off and popped because of a poorly designed station combined with a poorly-designed game mechanic? Lame. Ok firstly if he had the thing fitted like it really should be then he would have tanked them all day and probably pwned them all. secondly if he had a cyno alt ready because he was leaving then he could have left without anyone stopping him. thirdly there is nothing wrong with the stations. it is not a bug. just because u can't undock in front of a fleet with complete safety means u say it's a bug? DE
Raneru Darwin With Attitude RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:27:00 - [70] Edited by: Raneru on 11/05/2007 17:26:48 Originally by: Dionisius Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! The guy who self destructed has arguably made things worse for himself by self destructing. Instead of giving a small group a laugh and 1 killmail on a random killboard, he now has his own thread on eve-o for everyone to laugh at
Andrew Homolak	Posted - 2007.05.11 17:48:00 - [71] dumb question, whats an ebayer?
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:10:00 - [72] Originally by: DarkElf Ok firstly if he had the thing fitted like it really should be then he would have tanked them all day and probably pwned them all. secondly if he had a cyno alt ready because he was leaving then he could have left without anyone stopping him. thirdly there is nothing wrong with the stations. it is not a bug. just because u can't undock in front of a fleet with complete safety means u say it's a bug? DE he couldnt of jumped out because he didnt have stabs fitted he had just jumped into the system de and yes he could of owned us all if he ahd the right fittings
Garrett Crowe Caldari Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:12:00 - [73] Why is it "a nice joke" that we offered him a ransom? We offered to stop for ISK. --- Originally by: CCP Ginger. ...Or as I like to refer to myself. An imported sperm bank.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:43:00 - [74] Originally by: TheJacko Originally by: DarkElf Ok firstly if he had the thing fitted like it really should be then he would have tanked them all day and probably pwned them all. secondly if he had a cyno alt ready because he was leaving then he could have left without anyone stopping him. thirdly there is nothing wrong with the stations. it is not a bug. just because u can't undock in front of a fleet with complete safety means u say it's a bug? DE he couldnt of jumped out because he didnt have stabs fitted he had just jumped into the system de and yes he could of owned us all if he ahd the right fittings oh he'd just cyno'd in? ok in that case it's just nothing to do with stations it's to do with jumping in within docking range next time DE
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.11 18:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Raneru Edited by: Raneru on 11/05/2007 17:26:48 Originally by: Dionisius Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! The guy who self destructed has arguably made things worse for himself by self destructing. Instead of giving a small group a laugh and 1 killmail on a random killboard, he now has his own thread on eve-o for everyone to laugh at Laughed at?Because of what..... He hijacked a killmail, he was the pirate and the rest of the bunch came out empty handed. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Raneru Edited by: Raneru on 11/05/2007 17:26:48 Originally by: Dionisius Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! The guy who self destructed has arguably made things worse for himself by self destructing. Instead of giving a small group a laugh and 1 killmail on a random killboard, he now has his own thread on eve-o for everyone to laugh at Laughed at?Because of what..... He hijacked a killmail, he was the pirate and the rest of the bunch came out empty handed. rawrrr but we are still rich ;)
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:47:00 - [77] Originally by: Garrett Crowe Why is it "a nice joke" that we offered him a ransom? We offered to stop for ISK. Ah.. to explain, it's because IMHO no one in this game can be trusted to honor ransoms. Take a look at the front page of C&P... even today was a story from a guy who ransomed someone that was popped by rats shortly after paying. He kept the money, came here to post about it, and was cheered on by the "pirate" community. As mentioned in my previous post, from what I've seen of the Eve community in my year and a half (or so) of playing, there are no honorable people here. Quite the opposite, in fact. Dishonorable actions are celebrated as jokes.
Kather Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:02:00 - [78] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn Originally by: Garrett Crowe Why is it "a nice joke" that we offered him a ransom? We offered to stop for ISK. Ah.. to explain, it's because IMHO no one in this game can be trusted to honor ransoms. Take a look at the front page of C&P... even today was a story from a guy who ransomed someone that was popped by rats shortly after paying. He kept the money, came here to post about it, and was cheered on by the "pirate" community. As mentioned in my previous post, from what I've seen of the Eve community in my year and a half (or so) of playing, there are no honorable people here. Quite the opposite, in fact. Dishonorable actions are celebrated as jokes. in that situation, it was the rats, not the pirate, that killed him. should the ransom be repayed? depend on how much of an annoying wotsit the victim is. as for ransoms, as a victim, i always prefer paying a ransom, if it is reasonable. it saves me the time fitting a new ship up etc. as a pirate, i honestly dont care if you pay the ransom or not. if you do, i get isk. if you dont, i blow you up and have fun, then sell your loot for (not as much probably)isk. either way, i win. if you pay the ransom, you may win aswell avast, matey! Yarr old sig is too large, the maximum allowed filesize is 24,000 bytes. -Hango
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:22:00 - [79] Originally by: Kather in that situation, it was the rats, not the pirate, that killed him. should the ransom be repayed? depend on how much of an annoying wotsit the victim is. This is a perfect example of the technicality cop-out people will use to justify a dishonorable action, and the exact reason I would self-destruct any ship threatened rather than let it's loot fall into the hands of the enemy (a tactic every military uses, btw)
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.05.11 20:28:00 - [80] Originally by: TheJacko Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Raneru Edited by: Raneru on 11/05/2007 17:26:48 Originally by: Dionisius Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! The guy who self destructed has arguably made things worse for himself by self destructing. Instead of giving a small group a laugh and 1 killmail on a random killboard, he now has his own thread on eve-o for everyone to laugh at Laughed at?Because of what..... He hijacked a killmail, he was the pirate and the rest of the bunch came out empty handed. rawrrr but we are still rich ;) But it has to be a nice laugh at least and the face of seeing the ship in mid armour and just go pop. Don't get me wrong i'm trying to put myself in your shoes. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Damien Smith Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:18:00 - [81] Edited by: Damien Smith on 11/05/2007 21:18:49 Well this system keeps getting stranger and stranger. 2006.08 pilot in a Chimera. Pix0r. Check the T1 shield tank... Mail: 2007.05.11 19:13 Victim: Alliance: NONE Corp: Destroyed: Chimera System: Security: Involved parties: Name: Damien Smith Security: -10.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Astarte Weapon: Astarte Name: TheJacko Security: -10.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Astarte Weapon: Astarte Name: Garrett Crowe (laid the final blow) Security: -9.8 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Raven Weapon: Devastator Fury Cruise Missile Name: adie67 Security: -10.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Raven Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher Name: TribalBleb Security: -10.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Absolution Weapon: Absolution Name: Kather Security: -10.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Turbulent Ship: Harbinger Weapon: Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Destroyed items: Type-D Power Core Modification: Shield Flux Type-D Power Core Modification: Shield Flux Cap Recharger I Cap Recharger I Nitrogen Isotopes, Qty: 23166 (Cargo) ----- My sparkly tinfoil hat is extremely distracting, and makes my eyes bleed. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) Actually... no, it was teh sig. I'm wearing tinfoil goggles already. -Teh Meow
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:21:00 - [82] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Oliandra Friginia I may dislike the guy for one reason or another of my own and I'm glad to see him lose a dread, but I have to say he did earn his skills, he didn't just go and buy the account. If I was the head of his corp though I'd watch out for him, and I wouldn't trust him though, Pro has a long history of swindling corps and messin them over along with robbing them blind. are you sure he didn't buy the account? how can someone play for a year and a half and think that fitting a nano t2 seige dread is a good idea? i really find it hard to believe unless the guy pretty much never played the game. I try experimental configurations. I wouldn't try that one. But I do try contra "accepted wisdom" configurations. Most don't work. But, sometimes, you can actually accomplish something interesting. And through people who rely on you to do the "conventional" thing for a massive loop. So I don't automatically assume he was an idiot. Though, there is plenty of evidence that way...
Elspeth Vigneron Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:28:00 - [83] Originally by: Raneru Edited by: Raneru on 11/05/2007 17:26:48 Originally by: Dionisius Oh boy spare us the crap about going down and extending you the killmail, the guy did what most people in expensive ships do if they are going down, he hijacked them turby guys from their killmail. He pirated their killmail! The guy who self destructed has arguably made things worse for himself by self destructing. Instead of giving a small group a laugh and 1 killmail on a random killboard, he now has his own thread on eve-o for everyone to laugh at He'd have gotten his own thread, like the mining/ratting dreadnaught guy got. So, really, in my book he came out ahead. Seeing his ship was taken, he scuttled it in fine Naval Tradition to keep it from falling into the hands of the enemy. :) Phoenix Logistics Industries
Deitre Cibrus Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.11 22:58:00 - [84] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Much love to noobs in dreads. Like the miner dread DaMiGe mentioned. And how about the unfitted revelation our corp found wandering at a planet. \o/ to noob nubbins dread pilots. Keep em coming! Lawl ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre It's missing the goat!- Tirg Cowbell! -Scyd Gold gold, baby -Sahwoolo
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.12 12:17:00 - [85] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn This is a perfect example of the technicality cop-out people will use to justify a dishonorable action, and the exact reason I would self-destruct any ship threatened rather than let it's loot fall into the hands of the enemy (a tactic every military uses, btw) yeah i can just see a friendly plane in a dog fight surrounded by mulitple hostile planes "oh know i think we're gonna lose this one, quick self destruct" KABLOOOOM!!! And in relation to the posts you see on here about dishonored ransoms, most of them are from small noobie pirate corps who don't care much for maintaining a good reputation. the more established, long time serving pirate corps which include Turby would not dishonor a ransom as it would be very bad for business for them. plus. for every 1 post about a dishonored ransom on eve-o, there are another 1000 ransoms that take place and go exactly how they should DE
Dr Slice kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.12 13:35:00 - [86] Nice Dread kills Turby And for those who think ransoms are dishonored the majority of the time are only speculating, and have no idea what they're talking about.
lofty29 Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.12 13:39:00 - [87] Hey, wait, I know that system! --- My sig has gone into exile
MrBadidea Caldari The Children of Lilith	Posted - 2007.05.12 14:29:00 - [88] Pretty damn similar to mine. YHALOTHAR UNFITTED GOONSWARM CHIMERA, THAT HAS A FULL SET OF FIGHTERS. WHAT IS THIS? SMACKTALK IN LOCAL? OH NO YOUR DEAD. Or, how about the guy that decided to test out a passive tanked Chimera in a belt. When I was around. Just don't let Damien anywhere near the loot; it tends to get shot up a bit more after ships get dead. I suspect he has an itchy trigger finger --- [Tranquility] You appear to be smacking in an unfitted Chimera. Would you like to notify MrBadidea of your current location?
TheJacko Gallente Turbulent	Posted - 2007.05.12 15:58:00 - [89] Edited by: TheJacko on 12/05/2007 15:55:57 Originally by: MrBadidea Pretty damn similar to mine. YHALOTHAR UNFITTED GOONSWARM CHIMERA, THAT HAS A FULL SET OF FIGHTERS. WHAT IS THIS? SMACKTALK IN LOCAL? OH NO YOUR DEAD. Or, how about the guy that decided to test out a passive tanked Chimera in a belt. When I was around. Just don't let Damien anywhere near the loot; it tends to get shot up a bit more after ships get dead. I suspect he has an itchy trigger finger lol i love your sig mr bad
MrBadidea Caldari The Children of Lilith	Posted - 2007.05.12 16:15:00 - [90] Originally by: TheJacko Edited by: TheJacko on 12/05/2007 15:55:57 Originally by: MrBadidea Pretty damn similar to mine. YHALOTHAR UNFITTED GOONSWARM CHIMERA, THAT HAS A FULL SET OF FIGHTERS. WHAT IS THIS? SMACKTALK IN LOCAL? OH NO YOUR DEAD. Or, how about the guy that decided to test out a passive tanked Chimera in a belt. When I was around. Just don't let Damien anywhere near the loot; it tends to get shot up a bit more after ships get dead. I suspect he has an itchy trigger finger lol i love your sig mr bad Why thankyou. I made it especially for Goonswarm --- [Tranquility] You appear to be smacking in an unfitted Chimera. Would you like to notify MrBadidea of your current location?

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