There's "work for isk", and then there's "stab myself in the **** for some isk".

I guess we all know what the next botted activity would become with these changes, then.

Oh boy I can't wait to see even more activities be botted because they're mindboggingly boring. Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

End result of this: Billion isk vagabonds.

No.

...the only reason I can see for moving around the content of moons to create "valuable space" is to try to suck on the moongoo teat before the bigger alliances come rolling to move to these pockets of "valuable space". What's next, moving them around right after the big alliances have moved?

That's not what I'm suggesting. The proposal is not to recreate pockets of valuable space in different locations. It is break the monopoly by moving the mineral deposits around frequently so no single organisation can sit on any given moon indefinitely and make a profit from it.

Super-size alliances could chase after the moons all over EVE by scanning them down, but they would move every other week so it would be very resource intensive. I don't think they would do that (which is the point) so instead they would have to find an alternative funding model, like other players (shock horror).

You realise that the main impact of depleting and relocating moon minerals would be to shift them all into the hands of larger, better organised alliances, right?

One of the things that's needed to drive conflict is static resources that don't move

Well, scatim pointed out the dumbest part of that plan: why the **** should I bother moving around when I can just wait a few weeks and see if I don't get the tech back?

Nonsense. This proposal does not diminish the value of a region, it just means you have to control it better and work for your isk like everyone else.

Probably best if you don't constuct arguments based on comments from another goon. Look at the numbers: The chance of an R64 mineral coming back to the same moon within a reasonable time frame would be very slim.

No it woudn't.
a) They are already in the hands of large alliances and have been for years.
b) This proposal would change that situation. Large alliances might be able to persuade their members to go hunting for new deposits, but I would be surprised if anyone had the patience to go scanning every moon in the whole cluster once every other week. This proposal would favour smaller alliances who have a tight grasp of a small area, or enterprising corporations working in low sec.

Nonsense. This proposal does not diminish the value of a region, it just means you have to control it better and work for your isk like everyone else.

Probably best if you don't constuct arguments based on comments from another goon. Look at the numbers: The chance of an R64 mineral coming back to the same moon within a reasonable time frame would be very slim.

A large alliance can devote more people to moonscanning than a small alliance, can better cover for people burning out, and can more efficiently co-ordinate their efforts. I've previously worked in GSRecon, I've seen us scan entire regions (often hostile regions) in a matter of a few days. If a valuable moon appears anywhere near our space, we'll find it. It'll be boring and repetitive work which makes people want to not play Eve any more, but that effect will hit small alliances with less redundancy more seriously than it will the mega-blocs.

Plus, if a small alliance holds only a small area, there's obviously a lesser chance of tech (or whatever) spawning in their space than in that of a large alliance which holds a lot of space.

The chance of the same material appearing on the same moon is obviously small, but the more space you own, the more chance of the r64 (r64s aren't particularly valuable fyi, tech is where the money is) spawning somewhere else in space that you own. Congratulations, you just incentivised AFK alliances holding as much empty un-used space as possible.

I appreciate that Goons are relatively new to EVE

The problem with tech is that it is concentrated (by chance) in particular 0.0 regions. I'm pretty sure CCP will do something about that, in the same way they 'fixed' dyspro and neo in the past... this is one way to achieve a balance and ensure it doesn't need fixing again GÇô there are lots of levers for managing the mechanics, which is far easier than making single massive changes to the T2 system every 2 or 3 years.

I appreciate that Goons are relatively new to EVE

Dunno how you came to that conclusion. The pupose of this proposal is to cause prices to drop by breaking monopolies.

As I said in the first post, the moon mining system would need to be changed: perhaps a new sov structure which allows the owner to scan the system (for a resource cost). 'Visitors' would have to use the existing aim-the-probe at the moon system.
And yes, large alliances might have the human resources to scan large areas of space, but I think your resolve to do that repeatedly would falter over time if the deposits continually moved around.

True, but that space would have to be maintained at-cost (either by players manually scanning the moons or by running the expensive-to-fuel scanning structure I suggested above). Either way, the chance of a rare mineral spawning in a different place is much higher than it is now...

I appreciate that Goons are relatively new to EVE, and I appreciate that technetium might be where the money is at the moment, but times change. Two years ago tech was virtually worthless and the money was in dyspro (and to a lesser extent prom). Before that I recall neo being more valuable, and 4-5 years ago they were all roughly equal (or at least cheap enough that the difference didn't matter so much).

The problem with tech is that it is concentrated (by chance) in particular 0.0 regions. I'm pretty sure CCP will do something about that, in the same way they 'fixed' dyspro and neo in the past... this is one way to achieve a balance and ensure it doesn't need fixing again GÇô there are lots of levers for managing the mechanics, which is far easier than making single massive changes to the T2 system every 2 or 3 years.

I don't see how AFK alliances would benefit from this proposal GÇô the idea is that it requires work to earn isk. The strength to defend the space should be another requirement GÇô so this could easily be combined with other proposals to place mining arrays outside shields and encourage small gang warfare etc.

The problem is that you're diverting 'work' from interesting, emergent activities in Eve (fights, invasions, subterfuge, politics, diplomacy, etc) into boring, repetitive activities (scanning every moon in your region once a month). Its all very well requiring people to work for their isk but the 'work' has to be something more than an endurance test for masochists to see who lasts the longest before slitting their wrists in despair.