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Eluth Wizdom
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.22 19:23:55 -
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I have been away from Eve for a while and I know things have changed, but I cant figure this one out and I have been googling for days. I am flying a Navy Issued Scorpion and my friend is flying a Harbinger. I used to be able to fly into a Lvl 4 mission and grab all the aggro and then let him fly in and we could complete missions that way. Now that we have returned I fly into the mission grab all that I can and he flies in and get targeted and popped before he has a chance to move. What is the trick, equipment, etc. to be able to hold aggro as a beefy ship? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.04.22 19:40:02 -
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no idea tbh.
they recently changed rats mechanics specially in regard to carrier's fighters. maybe it can depends on that... but dunno to be honest |
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.04.22 19:55:52 -
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NPCs have been target switching now for a while (they use the old Sleeper AI). There's no magic bullet to prevent it. Some believe that running EWAR helps to draw NPC aggro, but the evidence for that is sketchy since CCP patched that exploit a while back. You can always run a flight of drones to give them more targets to cycle through though.
If it was me, I'd launch drones and put remote rep on your friend. Whether it draws aggro or not, it might help to keep him alive long enough for the NPCs to switch targets. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.04.22 19:58:46 -
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fit the harby with beams! and make it kite away, while you stay in close range and kill everything that goes after him |
Eluth Wizdom
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.22 20:02:13 -
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Thanks everyone, between this post and asking around in game, I'm coming to the conclusion that will will both have to run tank fits now instead of tank and dps. oh well... |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.04.22 23:18:07 -
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a standard mission bs can be almost all dps fit with a wee bit of tank, and imo the navy scorp has too much tank, I prefer the navy raven for missions.
a harby should be able to use an afterburner and mitigate a good deal of damage, and pick off the small ships, while the navy scorp works on the BC/BS enemies.
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.04.29 14:38:06 -
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If you've been away long enough then the naven ravy issue has had an extra mid slot added. the sizeable tank advantage the SNI had over the RNI isn't really there any more.
Edit: Also, look up micro jump drive modules, they can be added to ships as somewhat of a "panic button."
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2017.04.29 16:28:08 -
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yeah ive done everything you can think of. per the devs/gms/ whoever, dps aggros, tank aggros, ewar aggros, warp scrap aggrostarget painting aggros, webbing aggros etc etc etc
ive designed ships with multiple facets towards whats suppose to agro for them to switch worse than an adhd on speed.
I don't even use drones anymore, because while others have no issues with drones, as soon as I deploy a drone all the frigs drop lock and chase the drone, ive even had a couple of times with the larger ships going after a hobgoblin despite the drone size settings that were made by ccp, ie medium and large ships don't cycle to small drones
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
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Posted - 2017.05.01 17:52:31 -
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I believe that ewar increases your likelihood of being attacked but does not guarantee it eve doesn't have anything like a taunt that forces a target to attack you.
also your experience with drones is so far from mine I have no idea what to even say. The only thing I can think of is that new waves can target anything on the field and often whey will go for whatever drones are there. If they are already on field and attacking you the only thing that should ever switch to light drones is elite frigs. Of course incursions, burners, and sleepers have their own target priorities and I can't say what they will do. I also like sentry drones as I can scoop them whenever they take aggro.
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.05.01 18:23:05 -
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I believe your problem stems from using a faction and battlecruiser for lv4s.
In fact, you could probably argue that if you are not both using a rattlesnake, you are doing it wrong (outside of burners/blitzing with a mach).
Yes, other ships run missions well, but the rattlesnake gives the best DPS options due to missles, drones, slot layout.
As for the agro changes, yes npc switch now. |
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Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.05 14:45:08 -
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Agondray wrote:yeah ive done everything you can think of. per the devs/gms/ whoever, dps aggros, tank aggros, ewar aggros, warp scrap aggrostarget painting aggros, webbing aggros etc etc etc
ive designed ships with multiple facets towards whats suppose to agro for them to switch worse than an adhd on speed.
I don't even use drones anymore, because while others have no issues with drones, as soon as I deploy a drone all the frigs drop lock and chase the drone, ive even had a couple of times with the larger ships going after a hobgoblin despite the drone size settings that were made by ccp, ie medium and large ships don't cycle to small drones
Look on the bright side of the aggro swapping... if you ever go mad for a moment and warp to an incursion site and take the acceleration gate all by your lonesome... dropping 5 drones and aligning (if you can't warp immediately) JUST might save your life if you can tank long enough for the aggro to swap to one of those 5 drones. It works (sometimes!). |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.06 09:11:22 -
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Incursion rats almost never attack drones though.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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