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Arii Smith
Caldari
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.05.09 01:48:00 -
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I picked Caldari (Whoops!), and I want to PVP (Lol Caldari).
I am hoping I can make an EWAR tank for solo PVP on Rook/Falcon, the Rook looks better to me but what do I know, so I was wondering
A: Is this possible
B: Which ship is better for the role
C: What fitting should I use
I plan to fit a tech 2 ship with tech 2 gear so assume I will have the skills and mods for a full tech 2 fit, and tell me what you think would make a good solo PVP boat.
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.09 01:58:00 -
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A: Not really. Your chance-based EW is hindered significantly by fitting the necessary web/mwd/scram for solo pvp, and you will die almost instantly if you fail a jam cycle.
B: Rook is "better", only because the Falcon has such pathetic dps that you won't ever actually kill anything with one.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 05:23:00 -
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Rook could prolly be an ok semi crappy solo ship. Need 1 mod for scram, another for mwd/ab.
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AllexxM
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:03:00 -
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UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km..... :P tried the same thing.. got to the belt scrambled the dude... and what do u know.. i cant jam him with maximum jamming skils
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:13:00 -
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 Originally by: AllexxM
UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km..... :P tried the same thing.. got to the belt scrambled the dude... and what do u know.. i cant jam him with maximum jamming skils
What the hell are you on about? Jammers work fine from 0 up to their optimal.
@ OP
Rook is your best bet, heavy launchers, 5 multispecs, scram, AB. Lows: 2x SDA -or- 1x SDA & plate, since you have absolutely no tank.
Originally by: welsh wizard
You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
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Leikung
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Posted - 2007.05.09 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Leikung on 09/05/2007 06:12:25
Leave the Falcon at home. It has one mission and combat isnt it.
The Rook (fly one everday) will out run everything bigger than it. With the power and CPU and slots you can tank shields to make a drake prowd. Out run you op4, pound them with missles, and lets not for get damps, I carry 2. It s real hard for them to hit you if their range get cut down.
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Kim kitori
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.09 14:15:00 -
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Forget about jammers. Fit hardners and a cap booster active tank. Rooks cap recharge is great. So you can run 4 active hardners forever. Not that good for solo.
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LVSOCOM
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.09 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: LVSOCOM on 09/05/2007 14:28:38
Remember EW is a gang role, not an ability devs want on a solo capable ship. Fly it in a gang.
Solo PVP for caldari... Your best bet is a Crow or a Flycatcher (0.0). The good news is, you already have access to the best Cov-Ops frigate (Buzzard imo) and the Rook is a VERY powerful tool for gang work. Caldari just aren't as focused on solo work as the other races.
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Marquis Dean
Energy.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: AllexxM
UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km
wtf... 
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Originally by: korrey
Marquis I have to admit, without you there wouldn't be much laughter in these forums.
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deltauk1
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:02:00 -
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this is the solo rook pvp set up i use works fine on anything up to a cruiser, anything bigger and you'll struggle for dps
Highs
5 x limos heavy missle launchers
1 x iproved cloaking 2 / medium nos (named)
Mids
3 x hypnos multi spec ecm
1 x warp disruptor 2
1 x x5 prototype web
1 x invun 2
1 x med shield booster 2
Lows
1 x ballistic control 2
1 x hypnos SDA
* You need your multispec jammers over approx 7.5 to near guarantee a permajam on a cruiser but a small tank helps hold off drones and the odd dropped cycle 
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pandymen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: pandymen on 19/06/2007 23:06:21
Originally by: deltauk1
this is the solo rook pvp set up i use works fine on anything up to a cruiser, anything bigger and you'll struggle for dps
Highs
5 x limos heavy missle launchers
1 x iproved cloaking 2 / medium nos (named)
Mids
3 x hypnos multi spec ecm
1 x warp disruptor 2
1 x x5 prototype web
1 x invun 2
1 x med shield booster 2
Lows
1 x ballistic control 2
1 x hypnos SDA
Sorry, but you don't belong putting tank in the midslots. Put a sensor damp in the mids in case you fail a jam. That way, it will take the targets that can actually hurt you over 20 secs to get a lock, then you get another chance to jam.....The med shield booster isn't going to save your rook. If you actually get in trouble due to drones...warp out. But you shouldn't have too much trouble.
Has anyone here ever flown a jamming ship? I'm just amazed to see that not a single person here has suggested sensor damps...they are an absolute necessity.
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Foulis
Minmatar
Chosen Path
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: AllexxM
UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km..... :P tried the same thing.. got to the belt scrambled the dude... and what do u know.. i cant jam him with maximum jamming skils
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:03:00 -
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I like to fly a jamming scorpian, and I use 7 jammers. Usually multispec unless I have some intel on what i'm facing. I h ave no problem jamming multiple targets, from distance too. Where I run into trouble is recon ships. I miss cycles unless I fit racials. I would strongly recomend you stay away from solo pvp with a rook. Go with a gang and laugh as your gang kills forces that outnumber it so long as you can stay alive.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: AllexxM
UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km..... :P tried the same thing.. got to the belt scrambled the dude... and what do u know.. i cant jam him with maximum jamming skils
1) YOUR wrong.
2) You are mistaken
3) I doubt you have "maximum" jamming skills
ps. your wrong.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: deltauk1
this is the solo rook pvp set up i use works fine on anything up to a cruiser, anything bigger and you'll struggle for dps
Highs
5 x limos heavy missle launchers
1 x iproved cloaking 2 / medium nos (named)
Mids
3 x hypnos multi spec ecm
1 x warp disruptor 2
1 x x5 prototype web
1 x invun 2
1 x med shield booster 2
Lows
1 x ballistic control 2
1 x hypnos SDA
* You need your multispec jammers over approx 7.5 to near guarantee a permajam on a cruiser but a small tank helps hold off drones and the odd dropped cycle
Rooks != Solo Ships
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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deltauk1
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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just to clarify a rook IS a gang ship and should hav all rig, low and mids fitted with ecm, however it can be used as a solo ship, i fly my rook all the time near enough and fitting 7 ecm across the middle when on your own gives you no chance whatsoever in taking anyone out solo. you may mock the set up i posted but IT is tried and tested and does work however it is more of an oppurtunity set up and I wouldn't advise logging on fitting your rook like that and going looking for trouble. I fit it when travelling in times of war and have got a couple of kills 'bumping' into WT at gates. these threads are about voicing opinions and experiences; i'm just voicing mine...
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deltauk1
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:01:00 -
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Oh and that 'tank' which in genral i agree doesn't belong on a rook has tanked drones on at least two occasions getting me a kill although admittedly not tech 2 drones, not sure i want to find out on that score lol
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Dalanoria
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:13:00 -
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You will lose it, that much I can geurantee. No matter hoe uber3 your skills are, some small gang will have u locked and dead b4 you can jam them....Happens everytime, hence the reason i dont fly a curse around anymore....
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: deltauk1
however it can be used as a solo ship
A carrier can be used solo, doesnt make it a good idea.
Originally by: deltauk1
Oh and that 'tank' which in genral i agree doesn't belong on a rook has tanked drones on at least two occasions getting me a kill although admittedly not tech 2 drones, not sure i want to find out on that score lol
This tells me your either inexperienced with the Rook or just inexperienced in general. I can empathise with you in that you have trained long and hard to get the Rook, you want to go out and pwn something solo, you keep reading how caldari suck solo and want to prove people wrong.
Rook isnt the ship for that.
I know VIGIL do alot of gang work, i fought them when i was in privateers - keep your Rook for those situations - dont keep losing 100m ships trying to prove to your corp mates you can solo kill.
Your going to lose lots of ships until you realise that whilst a Rook can keep lots of targets quiet, it cant actually kill them effectively.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Jadiin
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ozstar
Originally by: AllexxM
UR wrong.. if u take a loook at ur jammers u will find they will not worck under 25 km..... :P tried the same thing.. got to the belt scrambled the dude... and what do u know.. i cant jam him with maximum jamming skils
1) YOUR wrong.
2) You are mistaken
3) I doubt you have "maximum" jamming skills
ps. your wrong.
Ahem..... "You're" not "your". If you intend on picking holes at least make sure you give the right answer yourself.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jadiin
Ahem..... "You're" not "your". If you intend on picking holes at least make sure you give the right answer yourself.
Thank your for your valuable contribution to this thread
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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deltauk1
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:14:00 -
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I agree totally, i rarely fly my rook solo these days and funnily enough my losses have gone right down I'm just pointing out it can be done, and yes lol i used to spend a lot of time trying to prove it could be done and if I'm honest lost more than i killed solo. It can be done but you'll spend most of your time looking for a 'suitable target'. The only time i use it solo now is for opportunist targets which are very far and between. i carry both set ups in my cargo so is no bother to switch. The bottom line is a rook's place is 150k+ from the battle watching on while your dps guys do their job. A rook isn't designed to kill ships it's designed to keep it's gang members alive. If at the end of a fight casualties are zero you've done your job
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:22:00 -
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Recons have relative weak tank, you miss 1 jam cycle and your dead bassicly. Dont even think of attacking drone boats.
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Quebber
Caldari
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:23:00 -
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Rook is brill gang ship really (i know its kind off topic)
but train up probing skills, and ECM jamming, and then probe away the low sec mission runners. It can make u loads of cash, either through loot or ransoming. Get a mate or 2 in a BS, and then perhaps a junior character with a ship scanner. Also sometimes there are NPC's left from the mission, which u can kill and get bonus cash. 
But yeh, i know its not solo setup, but its fun! 
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Ceremony Garp
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:46:00 -
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Dear Arii,
When I bought my first Rook, I - against all known logic - went out looking for trouble. I only managd to kill a couple of frigates, which although satiated my immediate bloodlust, didn't exactly bring much satisfaction or kudos.
When I went up against cruiser class ships, I barely managed to get away intact. The EW ended up saving ME, not helping kill HIM/HER.
I've got about 4m in EW, maxed missiles and maxed Caldari ship types. This doesn't mean a thing. And it often deceives those climbing into the Rook that it's a uber-solo ship. It isn't, and once I had gotten my head out of ignorant-siege mode, I made sure that I only flew her out on small gang or pirate hunting.
However, by all means, take the Rook out and have a go solo. It isn't always about reading through the forums and deciding on your course nof action based on others experiences. Hell, if that was the case, I'd never undock, lol.
Still, a valid question, and one that many more experienced players than I have already answered suitably.
If you don't have the iskies to risk it a few times, try it in a BB.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ceremony
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ozstar
Rooks != Solo Ships
Ah, you can always tell a programmer from a non-programmer ^^.
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