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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:04:00 -
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If you cant fix the lag...
Make it a feature! 
Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Please, can someone freaking tell me what says an exploit ISNT an exploit when logs/audit trails/the eyes of god can't detect it.
CCP says it isnt an exploit
Lame, sure, but their word is final.
Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Acid Makeup
I question the competence of whichever Senior GM said this isn't an exploit when it so clearly is.
I dare say the senior GM would have pushed the query to his seniors, and got the answer from CCP directly. I doubt this is a call some Johny come lately could have made.
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The Senior GM stated that it was the opinion of the "senior GMs and the developers" that it wasn't an exploit. 
Could you do me a favour, and find out where the got the weed they must have been smoking?
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'll clarify this. If we see in your logs that you are doing this repeatedly, that's intent. Then you are banned. This is abuse of a flaw in our system. Once is a mistake. Twice is intent.
So its not an exploit, but you can be banned for intentionally doing it.
Hows this any different than POS Bowling?
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
No, this makes perfect sense. This can happen accidentally, we're not going to ban you for that. Doing it again, then again, that's abuse and is an exploit. It's about proof, really. If it happens accidentally once, it's basically word against word and both parties can argue that it was intentional or not.
If we see transactions like that twice, that's quite clear. Then you are exploiting.
So whats changed? How come today its an exploit and yesterday it wasnt?
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
I think he is saying that it is an exploit. But we all know Oveur and clear posting don't mix
Hes saying it is an exploit, but other CCP staff say it isnt.
Im confuzzled 
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 11/05/2007 11:59:48
Edited by: w0rmy on 11/05/2007 11:57:39
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I just pointed out to you, where the boundary between mistake and exploit lies. That's what changed. We're also going to prevent this from being a problem at all when the fix came in yesterday and is enroute to deployment, that's what changed.
We're just trying to improve EVE my friend, this is how it will be till the fix is deployed. After that, nobody needs to fear doing direct item transactions, which is what is happening now. And that's very bad.
Someone was doing this two days ago, repeatedly, and your senior staff told people it was NOT an exploit. Now youre telling us doing the same thing that was petitioned two days ago, is an exploit. The actions havent changed, the response has. We arent fools, for once itd be nice not to be treated as such.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
other stuff
 And here I was thinking I was childish!
Id have a sig, but you guys keep growling me for them
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 11/05/2007 12:10:30
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I wasn't aware you didn't like being called friend, being a fellow EVE pilot and all and that you didn't have a sense of humor. I beg your forgiveness.
Appology accepted, but dont let it happen again!
But I still dont want to be your friend.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
No offence Oveur, but this isn't the first time GMs have screwed up royally and declared exploits are OK. If it's an exploit, fair enough, but make sure the GMs aren't going around telling people it isn't and then banning them when they do it.
This is the bit that troubles me.
A lot of people will not know about the change in policy. People have been told in game, via official channels it is allowed. Now, on the forums we have been informed that it isnt and is a banable offence.
I could completely understand how people could end up doing this, and end up being banned.
Will a news Item or something be posted, so those who dont read the forums will be informed of the change?
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Kittypaws was the originator of this and the one who got me... she's done it hundreds of times, so I can see the banhammer hitting
I hope not! As untill a few minutes ago the official response was that it was not an exploit.
Now if kittypaws starts up again after DT, thats a different story.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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w0rmy
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.11 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Othello Pajamas
If she's smart she'll just stop doing it while she is way ahead
If shes smart shell be watching this thread like a hawk!
Originally by: CCP Oveur
I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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