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Svetlanna
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.09 16:54:00 -
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What do you like best?
A titan fleet with lag, 4 hours of planning and waiting, 50 kills in 2 sec after DD was triggered or a fleet of 15 / 20ish moving fast and fighting for 2 hours or more like in the old days? 
Most of us old pvpers from various alliances agree. The titan tool is not delivering much fun beside collecting loot after DD (which between us is kind of limited  )
So it is about time to bring a little bee that can remove the titan supremacy. Imagine a small frig, very vulnerable as killable by other regular ships very quickly, but that carries the anti titan device? 
Ideas and comments welcome here.
This post is not about game development, it is about reviving a bit of pvp thrill that is getting hard to find those days...
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.09 16:57:00 -
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I do have a feeling they were smart enough to put some sort of vent over the exhaust ports. Shame really.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.05.09 16:57:00 -
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So long as legolas can take him out in one hit, I fully support this idea. But in the movie, it was a bit unrealistic u know 
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xeom
Exit 13
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Shin Ra
So long as legolas can take him out in one hit, I fully support this idea. But in the movie, it was a bit unrealistic u know
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:01:00 -
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I dont see the problem, 10-20 man fast moving gangs are still fun. Titans have not affected that at all.
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Turin Shroud
Gallente
Fermentation Process
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:02:00 -
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another titan whine thread!
don't like it? Don't take part in major alliance warfare.
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar
Caelestis Caedes
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:02:00 -
[7]
Where is Luke Skywalker when you need him?
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Turin Shroud
Gallente
Fermentation Process
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
I dont see the problem, 10-20 man fast moving gangs are still fun. Titans have not affected that at all.
/signed
you just need to think outside the box and do what 0utbreak do.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:12:00 -
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Titans are great because of the Jump Bridge.
Titans are annoying because of the DD.
Titans suck because they cannot really be brought down.
I would nerf the DD and boost the Titan's more conventional modules, allow it to go into siege, and give it a massively badass tank.
Either that or give us A-wings to crash into it's bridge.
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
So long as legolas can take him out in one hit, I fully support this idea. But in the movie, it was a bit unrealistic u know
It was VERY unrealistic, Ben Kenobi should have popped up and said you don't have enough grid/cpu to put that Proton torpedo launcher on your frigate, Luke.
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Edison Frisk
Minmatar
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Svetlanna
What do you like best?
A titan fleet with lag, 4 hours of planning and waiting, 50 kills in 2 sec after DD was triggered or a fleet of 15 / 20ish moving fast and fighting for 2 hours or more like in the old days?
Most of us old pvpers from various alliances agree. The titan tool is not delivering much fun beside collecting loot after DD (which between us is kind of limited )
So it is about time to bring a little bee that can remove the titan supremacy. Imagine a small frig, very vulnerable as killable by other regular ships very quickly, but that carries the anti titan device?
Ideas and comments welcome here.
This post is not about game development, it is about reviving a bit of pvp thrill that is getting hard to find those days...
What has this got to do with alliance and corp discussions??
I think this thread and all the other anti-titan threads be placed in Game Development or Features and Ideas, at best in the general discussion forum.
Tbh in general this forum as a whole needs to be cleaned up and kept inline with its main theme, i.e. somewhere to discuss corp policies, alliance news etc not how we can nerf this that and the other - those threads are best suited elsewhere.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:41:00 -
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While this thread really does belong in the suggestions subforum I'll add my input here:
1. Make titans and supercaps more killable somehow. The new POS structures that inhibit cynoing look promising. The idea about entering the titan into some kind of siege mode after firing the DD is also good.Could also maybe do with a revamp of how dictor bubbles and officer smartbombs work (given that the range of the bubble is bigger, it SHOULD be possible to bubble a titan without the interdiction probe being in range of the smartbomb).
2. Revamp the stealth bombers into some sort of anti-cap frigate with unique weaponry.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lochmar Fiendhiem on 09/05/2007 17:53:15
Originally by: James Snowscoran
While this thread really does belong in the suggestions subforum I'll add my input here:
1. Make titans and supercaps more killable somehow. The new POS structures that inhibit cynoing look promising. The idea about entering the titan into some kind of siege mode after firing the DD is also good.Could also maybe do with a revamp of how dictor bubbles and officer smartbombs work (given that the range of the bubble is bigger, it SHOULD be possible to bubble a titan without the interdiction probe being in range of the smartbomb).
2. Revamp the stealth bombers into some sort of anti-cap frigate with unique weaponry.
I agree with the seige, titans should have a 20 minute siege cycle that can be reduced by 50% with skills. while in the fancy siege the dd will do slighty more damage then now (marginally more) at the expense of capacitor capacity, recharge rate and overall tankability. most mmo's are tank or gank, almost every ship can be tank or gank, why should the titan get both x10?
EDIT: just thought of this one. from reading the bob fifth titan conspiracy thread, maybe titans should be limited within an alliance, say for every 1000 members in an alliance, you get one titan allowed in space at any given time. and yes, i'm opening up a pack of marshmallows.
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:53:00 -
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mining yield bonus
small tractor beam range bonus
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Cythrawl
Caldari
Central Defiance
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.09 17:56:00 -
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Supercapitals are moving the game into the region of who's got the bigger guns over who's got the better tactical deployment.
We need a capital class warp disruption field generator that would act like a seige mode and lock down any capital targeted with it while keeping the one that fired it anchored as well. Maybe a 5 minute lockdown. No amount of stabs would save any capital ship trying to get away. Mothership and Titan vulnerablity would actually be feasible without massive amounts of spy-work and sabotage(except in those rare occasions).
Fitting a capital disruption would provide the same kind of risk for those going after the capitals as those being attacked, so it would require an equal amount of effort on both sides. Level the playing field a bit. Ruin all those ninja-DDs and cyno-outs.
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Phaethon Prime
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:05:00 -
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...or you could just ignore supercapitals and fly around in gangs with ten of your friends. Your corp have 100 pvpers on at the same time? Break into ten groups of 10 and go roam around. Ignore the blob bubble camps and go have a good time. Gank people often enough and hard enough and they'll leave a region just as surely as if you'd dropped 50 large POS and spent two weeks having snorefest capital fights.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:20:00 -
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Oh god. This again. Let's make Titans so that my ibis can kill it. Waaaaaaaa 
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Cazziel
Karjala Inc.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Phaethon Prime
...or you could just ignore supercapitals and fly around in gangs with ten of your friends. Your corp have 100 pvpers on at the same time? Break into ten groups of 10 and go roam around. Ignore the blob bubble camps and go have a good time. Gank people often enough and hard enough and they'll leave a region just as surely as if you'd dropped 50 large POS and spent two weeks having snorefest capital fights.
So you really think an alliance would just allow you to gank them forever? After a week or two you will see 50-man blobs waiting for you and that's the end of "fun ganking".
Super capitals are ruining the conventional region holding, which used to take more than pushing the F button once an hour. You needed the manpower to hold a region, guerilla tactics made it more interesting as you could still fight back although your enemy controlled the region in general. Battleship fleets were something that almost everyone could participate in without too big loss money-wise.
If you get DD'ed every time you jump into a BS, without firing a shot, where is the fun? Certainly outside EVE.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pezzle on 09/05/2007 18:24:36
Originally by: Turin Shroud
another titan whine thread!
don't like it? Don't take part in major alliance warfare.
Originally by: Randay
I dont see the problem, 10-20 man fast moving gangs are still fun. Titans have not affected that at all.
Yes, and you can certainly control who is going to drop in on you with a Titan.. by staying in Empire. Even those who do not wish to engage in that level of warfare have to deal with it. Also, given that Titans have been called in to DD less ships, I would say it is an inaccurate statement ;)
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: xeom
Originally by: Shin Ra
So long as legolas can take him out in one hit, I fully support this idea. But in the movie, it was a bit unrealistic u know
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:47:00 -
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I got it!!! Give titans siege mode, remove the ability to fire a DDD through a cyno, and require a titan to be in siege in order to use its DDD!!!
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Phaethon Prime
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:47:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Cazziel
Originally by: Phaethon Prime
...or you could just ignore supercapitals and fly around in gangs with ten of your friends. Your corp have 100 pvpers on at the same time? Break into ten groups of 10 and go roam around. Ignore the blob bubble camps and go have a good time. Gank people often enough and hard enough and they'll leave a region just as surely as if you'd dropped 50 large POS and spent two weeks having snorefest capital fights.
So you really think an alliance would just allow you to gank them forever? After a week or two you will see 50-man blobs waiting for you and that's the end of "fun ganking".
Super capitals are ruining the conventional region holding, which used to take more than pushing the F button once an hour. You needed the manpower to hold a region, guerilla tactics made it more interesting as you could still fight back although your enemy controlled the region in general. Battleship fleets were something that almost everyone could participate in without too big loss money-wise.
If you get DD'ed every time you jump into a BS, without firing a shot, where is the fun? Certainly outside EVE.
Alliances _will_ allow you to gank them forever. A 50 man blob can certainly hold a gate, but its never going to catch a 10 man fleet. PVP in EVE is, by and large, consensual -- real fights generally only happen when both sides think they have a chance to win. If you fly around in a small group, you'll fight other small groups and smaller groups that aren't paying attention. You won't fight bigger groups unless a) you aren't paying attention b) you want to or c) you get tricked. You choose the size of the engagements you'll fight when you choose how large your gang is going to be. If you choose "huge" and you go after someone else powerful, you're going to get "huge" back -- whether thats a blob or supercapitals. And you deserve to.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.09 18:49:00 -
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Have maintainance on them take really long so that fully repowering the titan takes at least a week, that way we won't see them on the field every day.
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Graalum
GraalumCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:07:00 -
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Titan doomsday should be 8000 base damage with 5% bonus to damage per level, and affected by siege. You would still be able to DD without siege, but won't kill anything bigger than a cruiser.
It should also get a repair/shield boost bonus per level so that while in siege it can tank as one might expect such a ship to tank, along the lines of 20$% more boost/rep per level. Finally, I think there needs to be a cruiser or battlecruiser class ship that is somehow specialized to killing capitals, along the lines of how stealth bombers equip battleship class modules, except done in a manner so that it doesn't end up being a battleship ganker like stealth bombers are frigate and hauler gankers.
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ATC Janitor
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: ATC Janitor on 09/05/2007 19:12:45
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Raznarok
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: INZi
mining yield bonus
small tractor beam range bonus
ROFL 
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Groox
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.05.09 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Svetlanna
...Imagine a small frig, very vulnerable as killable by other regular ships very quickly, but that carries the anti titan device?
Killing would be to radical, but how about ability to immobilize Titan for 23 hours?
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George Petsch
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:10:00 -
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While I agree with the OP, the worst thing about Titans is that they are becoming more and more mcdonaldized. Let me explain.
How are titans supposed to work? 
Fleet A fights Fleet B
Fleet A is outnumbered, gets mostly slaughtered by Fleet B
Fleet A aligns out, Fleet B gets a bit uneasy.
Suddenly, cyno pops up, in comes the majestic Avatar/Ragnarok/Erebus/Leviathan
Fleet A warps out, mostly.
For 15 seconds the fight stops, the system is quiet.
BOOM
Fleet B gets decimated, in warps Fleet A and unleashes hell, boosted in morale, hungry for the kill.
The Battle rages on, sweat and adrenaline flows.
The Titan just turned the tide of this battle.
Now, back to reality.
10 man camp at random gate
Hostile cyno/titan pilot appears in local
Campcrew aligns out, cyno goes up, gang warps
Last 3 get pulverized
"Maybe next time" - "yeah see you in an hour"
Catch my drift? 
Everytime you don't fuel your POS
God kills a little blue robot
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 09/05/2007 20:19:07
Originally by: George Petsch
While I agree with the OP, the worst thing about Titans is that they are becoming more and more mcdonaldized. Let me explain.
How are titans supposed to work?
Fleet A fights Fleet B
Fleet A is outnumbered, gets mostly slaughtered by Fleet B
Fleet A aligns out, Fleet B gets a bit uneasy.
Suddenly, cyno pops up, in comes the majestic Avatar/Ragnarok/Erebus/Leviathan
Fleet A warps out, mostly.
For 15 seconds the fight stops, the system is quiet.
BOOM
Fleet B gets decimated, in warps Fleet A and unleashes hell, boosted in morale, hungry for the kill.
The Battle rages on, sweat and adrenaline flows.
The Titan just turned the tide of this battle.
Now, back to reality.
10 man camp at random gate
Hostile cyno/titan pilot appears in local
Campcrew aligns out, cyno goes up, gang warps
Last 3 get pulverized
"Maybe next time" - "yeah see you in an hour"
Catch my drift?
Fleet A fights Fleet B
Fleet A is outnumbered, is going to get slaughtered by Fleet B.
Fleet B aligns out, Fleet A gets a bit uneasy.
Suddenly, cyno pops up, in comes the majestic Avatar/Ragnarok/Erebus/Leviathan.
Fleet B warps out, mostly.
For 15 seconds the fight stops, the system is quiet.
BOOM
Fleet A gets decimated, fleet B jump bridges out with the titan.
The Titan eliminates the fight.
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:27:00 -
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Titans are easy to get away from. however i do agree that they should be in seigde mode when fireing the DDD. would add more aspect in when and how you use this weapon. shouldent be somehting you use each time you see a small gang of 30 ships. but more a way of rescue of your troups.
so siedge mode = yes sir!
if we suck at pvp then why come fight us all the time ???
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TigCobra
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:30:00 -
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i <3 u svetlanna
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Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.05.09 20:57:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Koronos on 09/05/2007 20:53:15
Originally by: Turin Shroud
another titan whine thread!
don't like it? Don't take part in major alliance warfare.
another thread whine post!
don't like it? Don't take part in the thread.
oh and
Originally by: TigCobra
i <3 u svetlanna
signed.
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Josiah Bleak
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:01:00 -
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How about a fleet shield emanating from a mod on dreads or carriers that has the ability to modify down the damage on the doomsday device according to skill of cap ship pilot, distance of other fleet ships from the capital + number of capitals engaged in this defensive action. Greater shield strength if you have several caps all shielding the same 10km of area etc.
Perhaps make it so the caps cant use the shield within a pos shield.
This is pretty obvious and has probably been mooted and booted hundreds of times but I've been away and can't be bothered to read all the threads. 
Josiah Bleak
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:09:00 -
[34]
Originally by: INZi
mining yield bonus
small tractor beam range bonus
100% reduction in medium tractor beam CPU usage per level?
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:17:00 -
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Remove the Doomsday Device
Introduce an anti-warp disruption bubble device that you can fit onto interdictors
Fleets can now enter systems through gate camps and not get DD'd = more fights for everyone.
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George Petsch
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.09 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Edited by: Graalum on 09/05/2007 20:19:07
Originally by: George Petsch
Fleet A fights Fleet B
Fleet A is outnumbered, is going to get slaughtered by Fleet B.
Fleet B aligns out, Fleet A gets a bit uneasy.
Suddenly, cyno pops up, in comes the majestic Avatar/Ragnarok/Erebus/Leviathan.
Fleet B warps out, mostly.
For 15 seconds the fight stops, the system is quiet.
BOOM
Fleet A gets decimated, fleet B jump bridges out with the titan.
The Titan eliminates the fight.
great too!
as long as it's not used as a solo (yeah, mostly it's the same person controlling the cyno alt) 10 ppl gate camp busting common pwnmobile everything is cool...
Everytime you don't fuel your POS
God kills a little blue robot
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Manas
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:05:00 -
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- No remote DD
- Vulnerabilty after using DD
- In exchange, massively increase Titan capital ship weapon bonus so they can smack down capships & POSes
Bring Titans into the fight, like Andre the Giant versus 13 midgets, not like a remote detonating bomber.
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HoKu Ziare
Middle Finger Technology
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:11:00 -
[38]
Hey, I think the forum you Ment to post this is here
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Weka Dart
Caldari
Band of Sisters
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:36:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Edison Frisk
Originally by: Svetlanna
What do you like best?
A titan fleet with lag, 4 hours of planning and waiting, 50 kills in 2 sec after DD was triggered or a fleet of 15 / 20ish moving fast and fighting for 2 hours or more like in the old days?
Most of us old pvpers from various alliances agree. The titan tool is not delivering much fun beside collecting loot after DD (which between us is kind of limited )
So it is about time to bring a little bee that can remove the titan supremacy. Imagine a small frig, very vulnerable as killable by other regular ships very quickly, but that carries the anti titan device?
Ideas and comments welcome here.
This post is not about game development, it is about reviving a bit of pvp thrill that is getting hard to find those days...
What has this got to do with alliance and corp discussions??
I think this thread and all the other anti-titan threads be placed in Game Development or Features and Ideas, at best in the general discussion forum.
Tbh in general this forum as a whole needs to be cleaned up and kept inline with its main theme, i.e. somewhere to discuss corp policies, alliance news etc not how we can nerf this that and the other - those threads are best suited elsewhere.
will you get back to that anti goon camp please sir !!!! 
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Martini20
Asgard Schiffswerften
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:37:00 -
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CCP Schould remove, Cariers, Dreads, remove the DD from Titans. So you can you only use the Titan for moving ships with jumpbrige.
I miss the times where an Aliance to myself only by the strength her fleet and skills her systems could hold.
The Future will be BOB will have 30 Titans so they can DD an Cap Fleet. Will be this the Future of EVE i think many People will leave EVE.
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Xeios
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.09 22:45:00 -
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I may very well be wrong, but i dont think they will do anything to titans or mums untill subsystem targeting is implemented. iirc the dont even want the supercaps to be scrammable by dictors.
Subsystem targeting should alter the eve universe quite alot imo.
But as i said i may be wrong.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:03:00 -
[42]
Everybody thinks they have the perfect solution to titans, I swear, this discussion get.. so.. zzzzzz
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Song
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Posted - 2007.05.09 23:19:00 -
[43]
reduce the size of the explosion to say 50kmx50km
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BirdBleed
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:21:00 -
[44]
boost titan hp by 10x
change the DDD to an anti capital weapon
It wont happen ofc knowing ccp
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Manfred Sideous
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:33:00 -
[45]
<3 Svetlanna
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Choralone
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.05.10 02:34:00 -
[46]
Remove the DD and make it a huge battering ram: anything that it bumps or collides with gets blown up.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:13:00 -
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I still remember how many ASCNers spent more time talking about jump portal and clone VAT, than DD, when "Steve" was born. Many people were also puzzled with ability to shoot DD so often, for such a low cost (iirc, it costs more to jump 30-40 ships through portal, than to DD <triple digit number> ships :). Noone expected Titans would end up like this, I guess.
Although there are many possible changes to Titan itself (remote DD being the most important), CCP could introduce T2 battleships, make them have resists on par with other T2 ships, and make it possible to fit "capital warp scrambler" on them. So, T2 BS could survive DD blast or two, and annoy the hell out of Titan or Mothership. Don't think they'll be camping/doomsdaying solo anymore, knowing they can be scrammed.
Or make T2 BS be able to generate 15km forcefield around itself (and all other ships inside), which could protect against doomsday detonation.
Or, just take any of zillion other ideas already posted on these forums...
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PC5
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.10 06:40:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Turin Shroud
another titan whine thread!
don't like it? Don't take part in major alliance warfare.
You havent fought in fights with titans or youre blind. This is a game, in alliance warfare there are (WERE!) long juicy fleet fights and now insted of that many times your fun goes in 1 shot away... Fun, fun, fun...
I can adapt to that but i wont because its wrong what is happening right now in large fleet battles. Fun is being killed.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:56:00 -
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What about removing the repairing ability of a titan / mothership?
Just give them a huge crapload of armor hitpoints and some shield.
The shield recharges and acts like a buffer for damage but once thats gone armor takes permanent damage.
Armor HP could then only be restored in the supercapital hanger array at a friendly pos.
Ofcourse repairing it takes time : like putting a ship in the drydock.
That way you don't need to kill a titan/mothership to remove it from the battlefield.
Just shoot it till the pilot feels unconfortable and goes to repair and you'll have disabled that ship for 1 week.
Thats IMO how they should have implemented supercapitals.
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Axia Firehead
Amarr
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:06:00 -
[50]
maybe , it s to ccp to adapt...
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Shayla Sh'inlux
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:26:00 -
[51]
Somehow I have the feeling that if RA shows up with 7 titans all of a sudden and DD's and decimates an MC or BoB cap fleet we will quickly see a change of sides on most of the posters in the titan whine thread.
That alone is enough reason to conclude titans are broken.
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Belial02
Amarr
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:38:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Belial02 on 10/05/2007 10:34:27
/signed svetty DD is no fun
A change to game mechanics or a possibility to down grade graphics much more so that fleet fights dont turn into lagfests would also be very appreciated.
Atm its like wait for hours, get there, jump in....1 min....2 mins... 3mins... 'boarding ship' oooh no im in a pod again
Originally by: Omeega
diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
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Vincent S
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:03:00 -
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The DD is easily the most unbalanced and worst thought-out feature in the history of gaming. I don't understand how CCP can't acknowledge this and get rid of it before it's too late.
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Sionn Klorgh
Minmatar
Black Lance
NBSI Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:04:00 -
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Simple..
Make a DD expensive. 500 mil in some sort of goodies per shot. It may be worth using against a fleet but you don't want to miss.
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Ewa Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ewa Quillam on 10/05/2007 11:20:31
Originally by: Vasili Z
Everybody thinks they have the perfect solution to titans, I swear, this discussion get.. so.. zzzzzz
... and you get to be so troll, but it's better than harassing people with sexual allusions IG, though.
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Astrotheon
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:34:00 -
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Given that I invested in a top quality tin foil hat recently I think I am eminently qualified to tell you how it is:
CCP brought the Titan into the game to kill off the 'end game' and thereby drive out the veterans who annoy CCP by constantly asking for new content and stuff to do with their zillions of sps and isk. Obviously making new content is hard work and can create horrible balancing issues which is complicated to resolve, so.. if you get rid of the vets you get rid of the problem!
So veterans leave as 0.0 warfare is killed off leaving smaller noob alliances to grow and consume the existing content already laid out for them.
In a years time when the current noob alliances spread throughout 0.0 and reach the stage of building titans they too will end up leaving making room for the next generation of noobs.
This solves the problem of escalating server issues with increased population/lag etc and allows CCP more time for hotdog eating contests - everyones a winner!
Now to get back to avoiding those mind rays from the CIA...
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:44:00 -
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I think its OK to keep this here as capitals are changing the corp/alliance landscape for certain.
Part of the problem with capitals is that they are kiling off a lot of good fights and thus changing the way people fight and the way corps are set up.
A week or two ago we had a mid-sized gang in Venal. By happy chance we saw another gang with almost exactly the same number of ships. Following a quick convo with them we agreed to jump into them for a fun fight.
They then cyno'd in 4 carriers 
This kind of response to a fair fight just means you are ever less likely to get decent fights out of pretty much anyone because you cannot account for the cynoing in of capitals, especially ones like titans and MS which are largely immune to any force, which will just lead to more and more ratting npcer ganks as they at least are unlikely to have cyno mods etc set up and ready to go.
Imagine you are half a dozen jumps out from someones home system and you see a 5 man gang the same as yours, are you going to risk engaging knowig there is a reasonable chance you are going to get 5 carriers popping up on you? Or do you get your own carrier pilots sat ready to do the same, in which case the idea of a quick strike group or a straightforward roam go out of the window, which is a shame as those kinds of operations are the best thing about eve as not everyone has the time for 3+ hour a night pos warfare.
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Redbad
Minmatar
Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Astrotheon
Given that I invested in a top quality tin foil hat recently I think I am eminently qualified to tell you how it is:
CCP brought the Titan into the game to kill off the 'end game' and thereby drive out the veterans who annoy CCP by constantly asking for new content and stuff to do with their zillions of sps and isk. Obviously making new content is hard work and can create horrible balancing issues which is complicated to resolve, so.. if you get rid of the vets you get rid of the problem!
So veterans leave as 0.0 warfare is killed off leaving smaller noob alliances to grow and consume the existing content already laid out for them.
In a years time when the current noob alliances spread throughout 0.0 and reach the stage of building titans they too will end up leaving making room for the next generation of noobs.
This solves the problem of escalating server issues with increased population/lag etc and allows CCP more time for hotdog eating contests - everyones a winner!
Now to get back to avoiding those mind rays from the CIA...
I hope you invested in a tech II tinfoil hat  . As much as I disbelief anyone thinking that hard about such a thing by CCP, you might have mentioned a (unwanted)sideeffect that should be monitored by CCP.
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Sovereign533
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: EnglishBob
Originally by: Shin Ra
So long as legolas can take him out in one hit, I fully support this idea. But in the movie, it was a bit unrealistic u know
It was VERY unrealistic, Ben Kenobi should have popped up and said you don't have enough grid/cpu to put that Proton torpedo launcher on your frigate, Luke.
it wasn't a frigate, it clearly was a fighter. and small 1 person assault ship. also known as a fighter =p
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:49:00 -
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1b to fire doomsday should do the trick. Titans will be strategical tools then, not tactical as they are now.
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Gardiner
Minmatar
Kurai-Komichi
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.10 11:52:00 -
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what they need to do is downgrade the Capital ships.. for example let dreadnaughts jump gates.. let them him battleships let them play a role in pvp.. or something into this level. and then take the titan and reduce it's DD considurably...
the gap between normaly ships and Cap ships is 2 big.
So, make the Dread and Carriers/Motherships and Titans go down a few levels and nerf the DD... and bring back the decent fleet fights everyone wants. for any pvper time the game the time when there smiling most is when theres an amazing fleet fight happening. not sitting in a POS waiting for some super alliance to pop a Cyno and wack u with DD.
Bring back the old Stations where u shoot to capture, intead of bloody pos's. let there be an upgrade system to outposts where upgrades = better defence's and Industrial stuff..
u could achive and do alot more with a system like that and it would bring in a new skill branch to where to upgrade and run outposts take skill.
i heard talk about it before... i mean people say is cause titan cost alot it should return alot, in that cause i reckon outposts should be the same.. u dont own a system even if u have an outpost there. put all that effort in to have a big chunk of metal and POS's. Sentry Guns!!! Sentry Jammers!! Sentry Scrams and Webys...give the guys with the homeground some help i say...
how would cap ships play with a system like this? well Destroying Station defence's and then like old days break the shields and the baby is yours..
so Yeah downgrade the capital ships, and the skills needed to use em
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Silvestri
Minmatar
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:01:00 -
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Titans are overrated and will eventually ruin Eve if it's not nerfed somehow. I think Titans are the reason gangs got out of control. You need roaming 100+ gangs to feel safe...lol. 15-20 with no lag was much better. Somehow the Titan needs to 'develop' a weak spot. Maybe smaller DD radius, longer time to move. Put a longer Aggro timer on a titan to prevent logging and limit it's jumping capability or something. Gratz to those that have one. Carriers are like BS's now I think.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:06:00 -
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Tier 2 Destroyers please, with the Tech 2 variant being a capital tackler specialist, able to disrupt jump drives but not do much else.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
1b to fire doomsday should do the trick. Titans will be strategical tools then, not tactical as they are now.
More like 3-4b. 1b means 10 BS, roughly. Killing more than 10 BS makes you recover the cost of the detonation, but doesn't make of it a strategical weapon. Killing more than 30-40 BS, makes it strategical and could cover the largely spread story that it's a anti-blob weapon.
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Manas
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.10 15:28:00 -
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Titans do seem to be a missed opportunity.
Emphasize strategic elements like Jump bridge. Add a Outpost killing weapon as an alternative module to DDD (which would require a day long Siege mode + expense + other restrictions). Nerf the DD heavily, and nerf it's invulnerability.
If the Strategic weapons were emphasized then an alliance would only need a few Titans for jump bridges (and possibly outpost killing). It would still be very valuable, but there would be a natural limiter.
With overly powerful DDD's the value of each additional Titan is exponential, as you can instapop bigger and bigger ships, and further decrease any possible counter attack.
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Biosourcy
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.11 08:50:00 -
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Titan's works fine imo.
Titans are supposed to be like flying deathstars, its not a whimpy capital ship with a slingshot. I see so much whining. it takes a long time to build one and allso getting the funds and meterials. It requieres alot of dedication. And shouldnt that be rewarded somehow?
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Captain Boo
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Posted - 2007.05.11 14:39:00 -
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i to think there should be some kind of home advantage, whether it be sentry turrets or a bonus of some kind, nowadays its too easy to strip a soverenty of a system. maybe a defence bonus or deployables??
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.11 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: TigCobra
i <3 u svetlanna
everyone loves svetlanna and the mystery around her
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Silvestri
Minmatar
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.11 17:47:00 -
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another nerf...why should a Titan leave wrecks to loot...it's a friggin Doomsday ffs...
I don't think a weapon that kills all is gonna stop at wrecks....lol. If it's gonna kill it shouldn't leave wrecks behind to loot or get rig parts from...
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