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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2377
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Posted - 2017.05.03 12:56:08 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Personally, I crew all my ships with exotic dancers.... To perform as exotic dancers or to provide new career opportunities for those forced into exploitative professions out of a sense of desperation? Yes.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:
I wonder how many exotic dancers die on a daily basis in New Eden...
A lot.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
211
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:35:38 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Personally, I crew all my ships with exotic dancers.... To perform as exotic dancers or to provide new career opportunities for those forced into exploitative professions out of a sense of desperation? Yes.
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Evangeline Pserad
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.05.03 14:53:20 -
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Utari. You're discussing ethics, with a guy who is wearing a jacket but no shirt. He didn't ask for this... ~~~~~ On topic though, I reckon I've done pretty well at keeping many of my crews alive, despite them all being willing to die for their Goddess of the Hottest! Having literally hundreds upon hundreds of fanatics willing to devote their lives to skills I can utilise on my ships and even willing to die in honour of me? It's pretty sexy to be honest. But the supreme irony is that actually most of my crews live peaceful lives and only a few actually get to martyr themselves for me in a glorious explosion, before embracing the void. I have a habit I've picked up over the years of using damage controls on any ships larger than destroyers and only the most devoted get to die in such proximity to me, as a frigate can give.
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
927
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Posted - 2017.05.03 15:52:46 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote:tell me more about this Alexylva Paradox... Allow me to do so: We provide clones for our crews. When they die, most of them will return to life after some time (there is a delay because we have a biomass shortage). We are lucky enough that our losses are quite low, or this may not have been possible.
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Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:42:52 -
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Che Biko wrote:Dusklit Thistle wrote:tell me more about this Alexylva Paradox... Allow me to do so: We provide clones for our crews. When they die, most of them will return to life after some time (there is a delay because we have a biomass shortage). We are lucky enough that our losses are quite low, or this may not have been possible.
Yes, I've done a little digging after I asked my question. The multiple and divergent transhumanist projects going on in the Origin system seem... radical.
As far as the topic as concerned, providing cloning services for crews is, from my standpoint, incredible.
I don't pretend to be an expert regarding cloning technologies, but I do know a little. How do you do it? Rework capsuleer implants to create pseudo-capsuleers? Use a buffered version of dropsuit soldiers' CRU? Maybe you've even reverse-engineered Nation tech...
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2125
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:45:46 -
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Che Biko wrote:we have a biomass shortage
Aren't there 4 temperate planets in that system ?
How are you managing to have a shortage of biomass then ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
214
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:53:49 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Che Biko wrote:we have a biomass shortage Aren't there 4 temperate planets in that system ? How are you managing to have a shortage of biomass then ?
Maybe none of the planets support tall people |
Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:42:16 -
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More digging. Apparently, the government of Origin uses non-destructive scanning techniques to create a database of backups for over 80% of the population.
Sounds imprecise, compared to the instantaneous burn-scan of the TBS pods are equipped with. And, of course the complications that arise from using old backups...
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3155
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:55:32 -
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I do not care about ethical side of the problem, but I do care about the convenience.
My crewmembers are professionals trained to maximize ship combat ability. They are military personnel who realize that they are going to war, who are ready to sacrifice their own lives for the State and commit suicide to prevent being taken captive by Gallente forces.
I am responsible for them and I will do whatever I can to make the gallentean oppressors ship to blow up to kill their crewmembers, and to return mine alive home.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Syenna Celeste
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
65
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:56:43 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote: Sounds imprecise, compared to the instantaneous burn-scan of the TBS pods are equipped with. And, of course the complications that arise from using old backups...
Arguably a fate worse than death.
Personally I think that the crew aboard my ships are the lucky ones. They get to experience godhood, admittedly secondhand. And they're definitely in a safer place than most of the population of the cluster.
Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
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Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:05:16 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
My crewmembers are professionals trained to maximize ship combat ability. They are military personnel who realize that they are going to war, who are ready to sacrifice their own lives for the State and commit suicide to prevent being taken captive by Gallente forces.
Alas, Kim, I don't have access to such patriots because I'm not one myself. I'm not going to be doing much more work for the State, I'm afraid, as they've used me a bit too much.
I'm a man of my word, though, and I'll discharge the remaining contracts I do have, but once that is done, so am I, and I'm leaving to greener pastures.
Along with as many like-minded crew as I can get my hands on.
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3156
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:17:18 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Dusklit Thistle wrote: Sounds imprecise, compared to the instantaneous burn-scan of the TBS pods are equipped with. And, of course the complications that arise from using old backups...
Arguably a fate worse than death. Personally I think that the crew aboard my ships are the lucky ones. They get to experience godhood, admittedly secondhand. And they're definitely in a safer place than most of the population of the cluster. Syenna Celeste wrote:They get to experience godhood Syenna Celeste wrote:godhood Something makes me worried about their safety. Something so transcendental, that I don't think I can gather words to explain.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2380
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:26:16 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Syenna Celeste wrote:Dusklit Thistle wrote: Sounds imprecise, compared to the instantaneous burn-scan of the TBS pods are equipped with. And, of course the complications that arise from using old backups...
Arguably a fate worse than death. Personally I think that the crew aboard my ships are the lucky ones. They get to experience godhood, admittedly secondhand. And they're definitely in a safer place than most of the population of the cluster. Syenna Celeste wrote:They get to experience godhood Syenna Celeste wrote:godhood Something makes me worried about their safety. Something so transcendental, that I don't think I can gather words to explain. Have to admit though, it isn't bad propaganda for recruiting crewmembers....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
118
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Posted - 2017.05.03 18:52:26 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Personally I think that the crew aboard my ships are the lucky ones. They get to experience godhood, admittedly secondhand. And they're definitely in a safer place than most of the population of the cluster.
I knew you'd be one of my favourites in the boardroom!
Claudia Osyn wrote:Have to admit though, it isn't bad propaganda for recruiting crewmembers....
Indoctrin... er ha ha, er... recruitment is my speciality among baseliners! Who could resist my charms... my beauty... my offer of unlimited power through proximity...
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2380
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Posted - 2017.05.03 20:05:26 -
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:Syenna Celeste wrote:Personally I think that the crew aboard my ships are the lucky ones. They get to experience godhood, admittedly secondhand. And they're definitely in a safer place than most of the population of the cluster. I knew you'd be one of my favourites in the boardroom! Claudia Osyn wrote:Have to admit though, it isn't bad propaganda for recruiting crewmembers.... Indoctrin... er ha ha, er... recruitment is my speciality among baseliners! Who could resist my charms... my beauty... my offer of unlimited power through proximity... Quite the talent, to be sure.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2017.05.03 20:41:28 -
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We live in a time where swords are costlier than the hands to wield them. I just commissioned a merlin. Took half of my wallet... for the raw materials. Crew? Crew's cheap.
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3682
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:08:19 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote:We live in a time where swords are costlier than the hands to wield them. I just commissioned a merlin. Took half of my wallet... for the raw materials. Crew? Crew's cheap.
Also small, for a Merlin.
(Also, the hands that will wield that Merlin are really, really expensive.)
(That would be you, pilot. The crew's basically a necessary component in the sword.)
For me, crew is ... complicated.
I don't worry too much about who they are or where they're from, though I do have my staff use hiring guidelines written not to take advantage of the more abusive parts of the system. Occasionally, when a ship's slated for especially dangerous duty, I'll do something to kind of flag it so that people don't just walk on board a destroyer Caracal thinking they're going to be on anti-frigate duty or running low-tier missions against conventional ships, when actually we're going up against the Drifters.
Aside from that, I kind of leave crew to themselves. It's not quite that I don't care what paths brought them into contact with mine; it's more that if I accept my role, I can't really set myself up to have sentiment messing with my ability to do my job.
It's not good to just forget about them, either, but, aside from making sure I'm not being awful aside from being the person who's very possibly going to be responsible for their deaths, I don't fraternize or really get involved at all. |
Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
122
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:09:15 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote:Anybody else got a better suggestion?
Dusklit Thistle wrote:We live in a time where swords are costlier than the hands to wield them. I just commissioned a merlin. Took half of my wallet... for the raw materials. Crew? Crew's cheap.
Welcome to the "admitting baseliners are cheap" club, wretch... Now you just have to spend months to years in the pod agonising over a justification for the lives you risk and sacrifice every day - just like all the others who haven't accepted the truth of their own godhood!
Hah!
...Only when we have become the true and sole Masters of our destiny, can we build ourselves higher than the gods before. May the souls of millions be our currency to that divinity!
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2017.05.03 21:14:40 -
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:
Welcome to the "admitting baseliners are cheap" club, wretch...
That was a bitter observation, Mebrith, not a concession.
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
123
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:01:04 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote:Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:
Welcome to the "admitting baseliners are cheap" club, wretch...
That was a bitter observation, Mebrith, not a concession.
Huh? Oh I didn't say that... SHE did.
She also seems really bitter, especially regarding people caring about non-capsuleers - "baseliners" she called them?... such a cruel term to use...
It's funny really as I tend to keep many of my larger crews alive - in some form or other - as I said earlier in this discussion. Gallente culture should have inspired in me a greater collection of shoes, but, well, I wear spaceships and I like lots of different styles and designs, so many of my crews haven't even seen me for years.
I believe I have an Apocalypse crew in Amod who have founded their own civilisation on board the ship, and worship me now as an eternal spirit floating among the stars of the Genesis Region! The crew in my Zealot in Stain have probably become a hivemind AI structured society by now, since it has been so long since I was there... Don't even ask about the city-state politics of the crews of my various recon ships in Sinq!
Seriously dude, forget about a ships crew for a few years and you could write a thesis on their sociological metamorphisms in the years after.
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
799
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:02:38 -
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Slaves.
/thread |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate
2144
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:20:09 -
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Basically I make sure my crew are fully certificated in remote multi-purpose mech drine operation via RealTouch Holo-feedback units from inside a safety pod.
After that and most importantly I check that they look good in skintight leather flight suits. |
Dusklit Thistle
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:37:22 -
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Mebrith, have you considered reviewing a training course in infomorph Psychology? You... you may find it... beneficial...
Nauplius wrote:Slaves.
/thread
Well, I was waiting for the input from the conservative Amarr contigent, and I believe I just got it.
So, I'm forced to concede that standard crew sourcing practices, for the most part, aren't as coercive as I believed. Nonstandard practices, of course, can leave much to be desired.
I'm still going to invest some effort in determining the feasibility of penal work-release programs. Giving people who otherwise cannot otherwise progress in life training and steady work might be what they need for a fresh start, and takes pressure off of potentially overloaded planetside penal systems
Shady gentleman with a shady plan
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3686
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Posted - 2017.05.03 23:52:33 -
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Dusklit Thistle wrote:Nauplius wrote:Slaves.
/thread Well, I was waiting for the input from the conservative Amarr contigent, and I believe I just got it.
No, no, Mr. Nauplius represents the reactionary, as in, so old school as to be pre-Moral Reforms, Amarr contingent. (For reference, that's a few thousand years.) (And he represents a vision of a lost past that probably never existed the way he imagines it to begin with.) He's considered a heretic by the Amarr, and apparently even by some Sani Sabik.
What you're probably thinking of as conservative Amarr (I've yet to find an Amarr who was comfortable being identified as anything else) would be the orthodox, so, maybe, Lady Admiral Newelle? Or a lot of other members of PIE.... |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
800
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Posted - 2017.05.04 00:50:55 -
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If there were in fact any active conservative Imperial Loyalist pilots, their answer would still be "slaves". Most remaining Imperial Loyalist pilots, however, are quite liberal, even radical. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3157
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Posted - 2017.05.04 20:01:09 -
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Some people will consider using slaves unethical. Some people will consider using slaves ethical. Some would even consider vitoc-ed slaves as ethical. It is just what our culture teaches us and there is NO single answer of whether a certain type of crewmember is ethical or not - everyone will have different opinion.
But what we can compare, it is efficiency of crewmbembers. And efficiency of slaves on a military vessel, especially drugged ones, is lacking.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
125
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Posted - 2017.05.05 06:44:31 -
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Diana Kim wrote:And efficiency of slaves on a military vessel, especially drugged ones, is lacking.
Just use more!
I'm joking. Slavery is bad. This is why I prefer to indoctrinate the slaves I'm given by the Covenant, Kingdom, and - dare I say it - the Amarr Empire in the past.
I believe only the truly fervent acolytes can do the job of several people. And they do it with such pride for their Goddess!
Slaves should be free!
Free to worship and work for who they choose!
...
...So long as that's me...
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
258
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Posted - 2017.05.05 07:07:04 -
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Nauplius wrote:If there were in fact any active conservative Imperial Loyalist pilots, their answer would still be "slaves". Most remaining Imperial Loyalist pilots, however, are quite liberal, even radical. Nah, I'd have to pay to buy slaves. CONCORD provides me with crewmembers for free! Maybe because they aren't my property, but they are in a lease.
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
930
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Posted - 2017.05.05 13:52:50 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Aren't there 4 temperate planets in that system ?
How are you managing to have a shortage of biomass then ? Yes, there are 4 temperate planets in Origin. One of those, Serendipity, enjoys quite some protection from exploitation because of its unique ecosystem in the oceans, and is largely unsettled. Arboria also hosts an impressive ecosystem, and is also largely unsettled. The colonies are fairly constrained by the dangerous wildlife, and most of the population is forced to live within fenced in regions that have been cleared of predators. Terminus also has a small population, and has similar challenges as on Arboria. Things are easier on Rennaissance, but it's a lot of work building a colony, and our workforce is not unlimited.
Also, I'm not Sub-coordinator of the Biomass Division yet.
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Kumakatok
24th imperial crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2017.05.05 14:25:39 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
But what we can compare, it is efficiency of crewmbembers. And efficiency of slaves on a military vessel, especially drugged ones, is lacking.
That is not entirely true, Commander.
Those of us who serve as military crew are bred for that specific purpose. We do not require drugs or other methods of control for we are inspired by Faith, and seek to do service to God. Do not be misled by propaganda. It is not dissimilar to the dedication of Caldari crews to render honour and due service to their employers. We dedicate our lives to God and he chooses the worthy among us to share the eternal rewards of that faith.
In my case, that breeding has, through the grace of God, brought me to a capsuleer's duty. The crews assigned to me by my liege lord from his holding are highly competent, and passionate in their love for God and His plan for them. I pray that I may be proven worthy of their trust.
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