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Brugar
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Posted - 2007.08.16 23:18:00 -
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What I want to know is... how the hell does someone get 39,000+ armor??!!
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r176/toomywins/3-1.jpg
sheesh! 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.17 00:06:00 -
[122]
 Originally by: Price Watcher
Empire ganking would be easy to fix. Just make it so that freighters and industrials drop no loot.
Game over, griefers!
good sarcasm
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FreelancerAlpha
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Posted - 2007.08.17 01:00:00 -
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Neat, I wish all Eve pvp was designed around this system. We wouldn't have to bother with pesky tactics or planning anymore. We could go into every fight knowing that if we use X ship with Y mods and Z drones, it will cost exactly $$$ and will cost the enemy exactly $$$$$, and we get a refund of $$.
We would be the pvp kings. Anyone who doesnt want such a hardcore system could go play WoW, where you actually have to find the counter instead of just hiding behind guards. God, what a bunch of carebears.
Seriously guys, wth? And stop with the RL analogies ok? Concord has a purpose. That purpose is to keep subscribers around so that leet peeveepeeers can play their game, which at last count included: 0.0 warfare (roaming, pos), lowsec warefare (roaming, hunting, gatecamping), empire warfare (wardec). Stop whining about the carebears whining. Their mining ships are susceptible to ore theft, their ratting ships are susceptible to loot theft & harassment, and their corps are weak to war decs. Yes, you can gank them, but don't act like you're a pvper because you got 10 kestrels together and took out a retriever who "should have had an escort, its a pvp game omg!".
Leave suicide ganks in, but take away the ez-mode for the attacker (who is concord protected right up until the first shot). If a player wants to be a "terrorist" or whatever, let him bear the financial burden. If he gets his name on a killmail that resulted in a concordokken, no insurance payout. This way, players who accidentally fire on a wreck or gang mate still get their insurance. If you manage to accidentally kill a target you shouldnt have, well, then you're really stupid.
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 01:21:00 -
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All they should do is remove insurance payout when popped by concord, you should still be able to suicide frieghters. Ccp, dont ****ing baby these careless jerks. 
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William Walker
Amarr
Interplanetary Mechanics
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Posted - 2007.08.17 01:28:00 -
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Wow a Freighter died and there was lots of police. Move along, nothing to see here. The Crime Scene Investigation will take it from here.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.08.17 01:34:00 -
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I have nothing against suicide ganking as a tactic, but the game mechanics around insurance just show ccp hasn't got a clue about the concept of "fairness". You're a merc, a hired killer. You kill someone. Concord blows up your ship, which is the police's way of enforcing a penalty. Yet then the same game that polices you gives you back the vast majority of your cost in a sort of under the table move. Sorry, it just bloody sucks for us carebears to know that is how the mechanics work.
Keep the gank, remove the insurance. Hell, even give a fine. HIGH SECURITY should mean HIGH security, not some sort of banana republic where the robbers get reimbursed by the state bank for their busted up getaway cars. It makes no sense.
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Tanksmann
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Posted - 2007.08.17 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
I think it would be a good idea to remove insurance payouts for getting concordokkened.
And also make it so that cargo scanners wont work on the freighter. the people trying to suicide gank the freighter should have to risk more, given the potential rewards.
This is a great idea IMO. If you get concordokkened you were doing something wrong 99% of the time.
And if freighters are such advanced haulers they should theoretically have some time of system to block their cargos from being scanned.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Animal.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tanksmann
Originally by: ghosttr
I think it would be a good idea to remove insurance payouts for getting concordokkened.
And also make it so that cargo scanners wont work on the freighter. the people trying to suicide gank the freighter should have to risk more, given the potential rewards.
This is a great idea IMO. If you get concordokkened you were doing something wrong 99% of the time.
And if freighters are such advanced haulers they should theoretically have some time of system to block their cargos from being scanned.
... and, again theoretically, they should really have their own jump drives... and be completely impervious to attack 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.17 11:47:00 -
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there is always a way to defend and a way to attack
with the huge benefits that freighters offer in terms of sheer volume their weaknesses are obvious and if one only uses 1 person to help them or doesnt bother at all then a group of 30+ people in battleships should be able to get them it is only fair
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Noggin TheNog
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:13:00 -
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Why not simply add a right-click, Trash It option to items in cargo? That way the freighter pilot has the option to deny his attackers of loot...
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:43:00 -
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This sort of thing has played out in the past several times and each time CCP has taken steps to halt it after public outcry reached a particular volume level. Personally I find this sort of thing a bit ridiculous and just another way people look to exploit an inadequate game mechanic in a way that was never originally intended by CCP. The fact stuff like this crops up from time to time is just proof that people will go out of their way to find ways around the "rules" and exploit the system.
Some history.....
Mara/Passari empire gate camps with m0o -
For awhile in Empire we had this to deal with. End result was missile firing billboards, sentry guns, increased Concord presence and "real piracy" like Setec and Space Invaders being forced into 0.0 because of the actions of a few.
Repper/Recharge Gate Camping Smartbombers -
I forget which corp this was but several of them ended up banned from the game after they refused a GM order to stop. They had one smartbombing BS being remote repped by multiple other ships and thus being rendered invulnerable to Concord attack. This ship was basically destroying everything at a high security Empire gate and the outcry was quick. If it was "legal" the GM wouldn't have ordered them to stop but it clearly wasn't what was intended. Result was nerfs to this sort of thing and gang consequences to ships that rep others.
Noob System 1.0 Gankfest -
We had a couple players (us veterans remember them) get into 1.0 new player systems in heavily tanked ships then go to work literally slaughtering new players as they undocked in their noob ships. These players had -9.9 security status thus they couldn't "drop lower" and Concord response was thus invisible or very weak. The GMs had to move in and take action in these cases as these players were literally slaughtering people who had just bought the game. Result was a couple of temp bans and changes to the security system so they couldn't even fly into 1.0 anymore in anything but a pod. Sentry power was also increased so tanking was out.
Suicide Mining Killers -
These guys used Kestrels to gank mining barges. I remember something was done as a result to this dynamic but I don't remember what. I do remember though that these attacks stopped for the most part after the fix was put in.
There are several more but this is just what I can remember off the top of my head. These are no different from these freighter kills and honestly are just another example of people finding ways to exploit a weak game mechanic and work around something that isn't well defined.
This is no different from my examples above. All those people claimed "we're pirates we're just getting loot" as well and we saw what happend. In the end this will HURT PvP because CCP will come along eventually and put in measures to stop it and PvP will be even further nerfed and restricted. Going all the way back to Mara/Passari and the eventual expelling of piracy in Empire we've seen several examples of a few players doing stuff like this and thus changing the game for the worse because CCP has had to come in and basically nerf something into the stone age to counter it.
This is Empire space. The 30% of the game field that is supposed to be mostly safe. Allowing something like this and a 30 second kill just isn't "right" even if it is possible.
- Give freighters some low slots to fit capital armor repairers and armor plates.
- Give freighters some mid slots to fit shield boosters and cap rechargers.
- Give freighters some high slots to fit defensive weapons.
If Eve is all about PvP these ships should be able to defend themselves. Right now even if a Freighter is escorted there really isn't alot that can be done in the 30 seconds one of these ganker operations will use destroy billions of isk worth of hard work.
They'll eventually fix it like all the others.
Archie 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.17 13:34:00 -
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sure lets give them slots - but their speed will get cut in 1/4th their warp in 1/5th and their cpu and powergrid will not allow you to fit all slots with anything better than medium sized items - of course their hull will get cut in 1/2 as well and their signature radius will bloat out even more
im sure everyone will be happy
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Virida
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.17 14:36:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Anatolius
Originally by: Aidyn Avery
this ganking is the equivalent of thugs taking down a truck, ship or railroad in society. Those are the freighters in today's life. If someone did or tried to do it, the police would not let this happen, let alone again.
Funny, piracy on the world's oceans is presently a massive problem. Google it.
As it were, I'd love to see what a coast guard cutter is going to do against a group of nutcases with a few dozen Iowa-class battleships. What, you wanted to bring real life into the argument, hey?
If a country as Iceland or norway was to face some dozens Iowa's pirating on their fishingboats, they'd call their allies to help, same would every non superpower too. if say, USA was facing a such fleet, the fleet would be nuked if it was close enough to each other it would be feastible, russia is SHURE to have nuked them: the russians opened up the atomic control briefcase when norway sent up a unanounced northlight research rocket once, even.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:07:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Gorken
Edited by: Gorken on 12/05/2007 18:20:36
Take your twinkle toed communist trash ass out of these forums.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 15:10:00 -
[135]
STOP NECROING THE DAMN FREIGHTER GANK THREADS!!!
Did CCP not fix the problem of CONCORD not jamming drones? Is it not way harder to kill freighters in highsec now?
WHY do we need to necro this schlock!?!?!   
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Goonswarmalwayslose
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:12:00 -
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CCP constantly change game rules. Like wtf if you are going to do something stick with it. Its nuts they cant make up their mind.
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Christari Zuborov
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.17 22:46:00 -
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So there wasn't a freighter down, well 3 months ago a freighter died, but this thread lives on?
Can we get a mod to lock this one? There's really no point in this thread other than to misinform.
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cuteboylookingatyou
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:23:00 -
[138]
Are freighters better than druids?
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Yipsilanti
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.18 04:00:00 -
[139]
This is necro'd from several months ago and doesnt bring any relevant new information *Click*
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