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Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
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Posted - 2017.05.16 14:59:16 -
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virm pasuul wrote:It's against the Eve ToS to biomass ganking alts to avoid the negative consequence of security status.
Fair enough.
Why is it OK to biomass trade hub spammer bots to avoid the negative consequence of being blocked by everyone?
Seems to be inconsistent with point one.
wait really? link to any official post which states this? |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
15829
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Posted - 2017.05.16 15:07:39 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:RainbowDashC22 Shiratori wrote:Destruction shouldn't be what draws players out of High Sec, more Wealth and Progress should be. High Sec is meant to be safer, but much less rewarding, like very little reward at all. It doesn't work like that tho. You can very easily make a LOT of money in High Sec. Just AFK Mining can get you a lot of money. This is why CODE targets Miners, to get them to stop doing that. Uhm, have you done any mining recently? Nowadays most of the minerals come from Rorquals which mine as much as 4 exhumers. Players multibox ~10 Rorquals in nullsec and earn billions per hour. Highsec ores are almost worthless now which means that with AFK mining in highsec you can earn only ~10mill per hour. RainbowDashC22 Shiratori wrote:
But that can easily change by having the Scematics switch, needing a lot more minerals only found in Low, Null, or WH, and needing less resources from High Sec. Force people to venture out to make money. Not to run away from exploiting gankers using the system to bully the players into doing what they want.
Thats exactly what CCP has been doing in the last 5-6 years.
- data and relic sites in high - worthless since the exploration expansion
- ghost sites - removed from high
- static ice belts (were great for AFK mining) - removed
- AFK mission running - pretty much impossible after rat AI buff (AFAIK)
- high sec ores - 2 indirect nerfs because nullsec ores got buffed 2 times
- mining in high - huge indirect nerf with the Rorqual buff
- industry in high - many small nerfs because nullsec industry got buffs to be more self sufficient and margins are smaller nowadays
- etc
Meanwhile, the ISK faucets in null sec explode ... http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/MER/Mar_2017/9aaa_top.sinks.faucets.over.time.png
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/MER/Mar_2017/9a1_faucets_breakdown.png
It's funny because for years some of us tried to explain how high sec was too good income wise , so much so that you had lots of null sec people plant alts there to make money from things like incursions, SOE missions and burner blitzing (it still is btw, you cannot make a reliable 200 mil per hour with a single subcap in sov null space with the one exception being buying maze escalations in guristas space).
So what did the Defenders of High Sec on this board say? They said "if the problem is null income isn't competitive with high sec income, buff null, don't nerf my high sec income". It was a dumb and tone deaf thing to say, but they said it, all the time.
CCP buffed null like they said, with Rorquals and the changes to carriers/fighters that made super capitals re-take the throne as the best NPC killing ships in the game (something CCP once fixed when they fixed tracking titans and forsaken hubs only to unfix with super carriers).
And still high sec folk complain. High sec posters on this board WANTED this outcome, why be mad about it now?
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Mollie Mormon
Interstellar Consciousness
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Posted - 2017.05.16 15:31:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:High sec posters on this board WANTED this outcome... =ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô Imagine, if you will, a World where you actually know what you're talking about. =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
369
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Posted - 2017.05.16 15:38:58 -
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Mollie Mormon wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:High sec posters on this board WANTED this outcome... =ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô Imagine, if you will, a World where you actually know what you're talking about. =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô
Huh? I doubt "high sec posters" asked for continuous nerfs to highsec in favor of nullsec. |
Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:11:15 -
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Mollie Mormon wrote:No one cries louder than people like you that desperately want to keep the current system in place.
High Sec. is broken...has been for years. You have yet to detail here in what way Highsec is broken, and how should it be molded into the joyful place that every player should love.
Do your comments mean that you side with Miss Shiratori, who is convinced that a -lot- of money can be made by AFK mining in Highsec, just ganking needs One More NerfGäó, because it's an awful double-standard that they can just hop into a shiny new ship after it's destroyed, while the miners are 'forced' to replace their loss?
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
15831
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:25:34 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:Mollie Mormon wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:High sec posters on this board WANTED this outcome... =ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô Imagine, if you will, a World where you actually know what you're talking about. =ƒÉô
=ƒÉô =ƒÉô =ƒÉô Huh? I doubt "high sec posters" asked for continuous nerfs to highsec in favor of nullsec.
I'm sorry, I thought I wrote what I did in English. But let me try again.
First off, those things you called nerfs were not nerfs. The change to NPC AI affected everyone, the exploration expansion hit EVERYONE hard. and the 'buffs' to null sec mining and industry reinforces my point.
For years, when we said that things in high sec were too good (not for high sec residents, but for null sec alts), we were told by many a high sec poster "LEAVE HIGH SEC ALONE, JUST BUFF NULL". CCP (directly and indirectly) did this, and now here you are complaining about null sec's affect on high sec.
The old saying that applies here is "be careful what you wish for" (not you personally, I'm talking to all those short sighted high sec people who said i just wanted to see high sec nerfed to line my own space pockets).
And to answer your question, yes they did ask for this. Just a couple of examples of what I had to read over and over again since 2011:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150359
http://eve-search.com/thread/380155-1/page/all#11 |
Skorpynekomimi
673
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:34:06 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:People read local chat in trade hubs? Interesting...
I like to see all the scams and banter. Plus I'm a sucker for having random conversations with random people in local.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11039
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:46:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
And to answer your question, yes they did ask for this. Just a few examples of what I had to read over and over again since 2011:
You didn't have to read anything.
You like reading it. It gives you something to rant about and validates your own bizarre worldview.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
15831
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:24:57 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
And to answer your question, yes they did ask for this. Just a few examples of what I had to read over and over again since 2011:
You didn't have to read anything. You like reading it. It gives you something to rant about and validates your own bizarre worldview. Mr Epeen
Ok, what exactly is 'bizarre' about what I'm saying (in this case, pointing out that people should be careful what they wish for, which is an old saying, I did not come up with it)? You felt the need to reply, so let's talk about it, or are you just trolling as usual? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
11040
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:34:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: so let's talk about it You spelled argue wrong.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
ChaosTheory.
15832
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Posted - 2017.05.16 17:45:30 -
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As I suspected. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28234
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:33:20 -
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RainbowDashC22 Shiratori wrote:That's kinda funny you know. Concord protecting the stations and gates, but will happily let Criminals and those with low standing use the gates and dock at stations. Wish they would fix that. Criminals should be shot on sight by Concord and barred from any stations in High and Low sec. Let them run around in Null and WH space. And Negative Standing should bar you from being able to use Concord's gates to get into the High Sec areas, not just be a little slap on the wrist. Criminal flag and outlaw status, know the difference before posting on this subject further.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
New Player FAQ
Feyd's Survival Pack
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2017.05.16 19:29:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
For years, when we said that things in high sec were too good (not for high sec residents, but for null sec alts), we were told by many a high sec poster "LEAVE HIGH SEC ALONE, JUST BUFF NULL". CCP (directly and indirectly) did this, and now here you are complaining about null sec's affect on high sec.
The ore issue is transient anyway, ie its difficult for a balancing pass on rorquals because (a) the buff was done against a rise in mineral consumption for citadels and ecs, and (b) ultimately mining capacity will have to be divided between mining moons. asteroids and ice, where it is only currently divided amongst the latter 2, towers automatically do the first task at the moment.
You'd also hope that the sane highsec miner has to recognize that there will be opportunity to day trip lowsec and null, quite possibly with organized protection, ie there is a massive buff coming for all miners ahead.
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virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
431
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:08:21 -
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As the OP I'd just like to state that I wholeheartedly support what Code stands for and how they go about putting it into practice. Their results speak for themselves. That they generate so many unceasing tears is a testamnet to their effectiveness. Long may they continue.
This thread wasn't about Code. Code play within the rules and accept the consequeces of their actions like adults not children. Drunken adults maybe :)
I was just highlighting what seems to be a discrepancy in how the rules are enforced.
I wouldn't mind the trade hub scamming so much if it was not such a mire of unoriginal copy and paste.
It's not that's it's scamming or spam, it's that it's boring spam I object to. |
virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
431
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:12:58 -
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Vokan Narkar wrote:virm pasuul wrote:It's against the Eve ToS to biomass ganking alts to avoid the negative consequence of security status.
Fair enough.
Why is it OK to biomass trade hub spammer bots to avoid the negative consequence of being blocked by everyone?
Seems to be inconsistent with point one.
wait really? link to any official post which states this?
First part or second part? |
virm pasuul
Viziam
Amarr Empire
431
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:17:46 -
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:[img]https://media3.giphy.com/media/zfuOq2rFBE7Kg/giphy.gif[/img]
I would just like to compliment ISD Dorrin Barstorlode on the lightness of his moderate touch :)
I assume I am allowed to say that? |
Shawn en Tilavine
Knights-of-Joo
Reverberation Project
7
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Posted - 2017.05.16 21:27:03 -
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virm pasuul wrote:ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:[img]https://media3.giphy.com/media/zfuOq2rFBE7Kg/giphy.gif[/img] I would just like to compliment ISD Dorrin Barstorlode on the lightness of his moderate touch :) I assume I am allowed to say that?
Nope, can't do it. Discussing forum moderation is a violation of the forum TOS.
Topic Locked!!
LOL Sorry, just kidding. Honest!! Couldn't help myself.
"The world ain't fair, there is no Santa Claus, and not everyone gets a F'n trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world. Welcome to Eve."
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
691
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Posted - 2017.05.17 00:22:48 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
And to answer your question, yes they did ask for this. Just a few examples of what I had to read over and over again since 2011:
You didn't have to read anything. You like reading it. It gives you something to rant about and validates your own bizarre worldview. Mr Epeen
You mean more bizarre than yours? Impossible!
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Ashiri Hareka
Paper Cats
8
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Posted - 2017.05.17 00:42:44 -
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virm pasuul wrote:
I wouldn't mind the trade hub scamming so much if it was not such a mire of unoriginal copy and paste.
It's not that's it's scamming or spam, it's that it's boring spam I object to.
I'm still left wondering what is so magical about the range of numbers from 9.1 to 9.8 billion that the hangar clearances are priced at.
Sometimes it is fun to jest in local about the silly scams.
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