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Timsinsal
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:22:00 -
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I'm 8 days into EVE and started doing a bit of jetcan mining and some player stole some ore from the can. Now the can belongs to a third party and I can't get the rest of it. I realize there always a risk of the ore being stolen while jetcan mining but don't understand why the rest of the ore now belongs to someone else and I can't get at it.
I didn't catch the original thief in the 15 minutes I had to shoot him but thought about putting a bounty on him/her. Does this have any effect on me?
Frustrated apprentice miner.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:23:00 -
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Welcome to Eve Online!
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:26:00 -
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looks like he stole from your can and jet his own to put it into.. and unless its in a secure can you should be able to take it back (but he will be able to shoot you)
you can only put a bounty on someone if they are at least -1.0 sec rating, but I wouldn't advise doing so as most people will pod themselves with an alt to collect their own bounty if it is big enough
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PredatorPT
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:26:00 -
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I recommend you use secure giant containers with passwords to avoid getting your ore stolen. They only carry 3900 m¦ each, but at least they're perfectly safe.
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gfldex
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Timsinsal
Frustrated apprentice miner.
Without ore relocate specialists mining would be so easy that even macros would fall asleep. Ignore the thief or move elsewhere. It is very likely that the thief knows how it works and any action against him may lead to losses at your side.
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There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.12 23:36:00 -
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if youre gonna mine in highsec with jetcans try moving out of the highly populated systems.
but i suggest you to join a corp that specializes in mining if u like it, u make more that way and can even mine in lowsec or 0.0 and make way more money.
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Menod Penter
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.13 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Timsinsal
.... doing a bit of jetcan mining and some player stole some ore from the can.
"Secure the ore or you'll be sore" (tm)
Have a Nice Day :)
Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Fayn Trak
Gallente
Myridian Trading Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.13 02:33:00 -
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Quote:
"Secure the ore or you'll be sore" Ö
I must rember that one.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sicarri Covenant
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Welcome to Eve Online!
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Severra
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.05.13 03:30:00 -
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We can steal if we want to
If you leave your ore behind
And if you jetcan
Then please understand
Your ore's as good as mine
TOOKURSTUFF
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HelloDevette
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Posted - 2007.05.13 03:39:00 -
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The reason why he was able to steal from yor jetcan is because it is meant for stuff that you want to jettison(discard, throw away). The use of the jetcan for mining is basicly an exploit, but one that has become vital to the economy. Get a secure container if you don't want anyone stealing from you. Either that or have a friendly hauler sitting right next to you.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.05.13 03:46:00 -
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Hopefully you will soon realise that stealing the ore from others is much more profitable, and hopefully you will get out there and steal some yourself.
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.05.13 03:49:00 -
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That's one of the risks of mining in hisec. Quite often people do what's called "swapping cans" so you will take it back, become flagged to them and their corp, and they will pew-pew at you.
Meh, don't spend your fortune on bounties. Most people are kinda proud to have a bounty and wouldn't have it claimed by a friend/alt, but most certainly isn't the same as all. If you do place one it is, however, anonymous.
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 04:18:00 -
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Interestingly - In the old days i hear you used to be able to hire a whole alliance for the simple cost price of the war dec to get the ore thief for you.
SKUNK
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.05.13 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Interestingly - In the old days i hear you used to be able to hire a whole alliance for the simple cost price of the war dec to get the ore thief for you.
SKUNK
Heheh. You still can, I'll bet.
But generally "welcome to eve" is right I think. That's how it is. He took your ore. You gotta move on, and adapt.
I'd steal your ore and then laugh at you if I thought it was worth the effort.
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Timsinsal
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Posted - 2007.05.13 13:25:00 -
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Thanks for the advice. Live and learn.
I realized that my can was at danger from theives but was a little shocked when it first happend.
I'll be ready next time with an armoured ship waiting in a nearby hanger. Not sure if I'll ever resort to stealing someone elses ore though.
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2007.05.13 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Grendelsbane on 13/05/2007 14:16:02
Think long and hard before you open fire on someone who just looted your jetcan. As a new pilot, (and a miner, at that), you are very unlikely to have the skills to take anyone on. Hell, even if you're in a cruiser, a pilot a month or two older than you might well mop the floor with you in a frigate. If you start a fight that you can't win, Concord will not come and save you.
Solution? Position giant secure containers in a couple of belts in mining range of ore. Anchor and bookmark them. Fill one, warp to the next, and repeat. When they're full, go get the hauler, and go through the bookmarks again, emptying them.
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Thesas
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.05.13 15:38:00 -
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Some ideas,
Mining alone is both tedious and risky the longer you do it.
You will encounter ore pirates eventually. Some of them will be entertaining and some will be maddening and many will be griefers.. I do better when mining with friends but friends are not always available as I often play at a late hour. These are the steps I have taken to solo mine with a higher degree of safety.
Train up industrial ships. The higher you train the bigger the hauler you can fly.
Train in gunnery and navigation as well.
The bigger the hauler, the more giant secure canisters you can carry.
This is how I wound up with my series of Iterons.
Do not Jet can mine without several friends with you as that invites problems.
Do not use mining drones unless you are mining in a group.
When mining alone, use secure containers.
Jet cans are acceptable if alone in the system.
Evaluate your situation with every newcomer to the system.
Deploy fighting drones and have them orbit you as you mine.
Always, always, always, align for warp.
A visible means of defense often deters the casual ore pirate but does little for the professional or the griefer. Learn to recognize the difference. Read profiles carefully.
I find excellent places in .8 to .6 space and scout them in advance noting how much traffic in local. I only mine in .5 or lower in a group. If more than 10 people, I move on to find low traveled systems. When I find a quiet out of the way place, I move into the station and set up my ships.
At this point, it becomes routine.
Expand local window and keep an eye on who comes and goes and their sec standings.
Keep overview uncluttered.
Take gun ship to clear belt rats.
Make the call to use jet cans or secure cans.
Take hauler in and drop your secure cans.
It takes 3 minutes between dropping secure cans.
Bookmark all cans.
Take in mining ship, deploy defense drones.
Fill cans then pick up with hauler.
Repeat.
Mining ships equipped with all mining lasers and drones are prime targets.
Train up Drone skills and equip with something better.
I started with mining drones, then switched to hobgoblins, then to hammerheads, and lately been toying with ogres. They greatly deter company and tend to rats quite nicely.
Add known ore pirates to your friends list. I have a folder for ore pirates and I watch for them. They may become quite hostile when your drones blow them up so be aware of them and always expect an ore pirate to have friends standing by. If I blow someone up, I leave to find another system. Let them look for me if they wish but they seldom do..
Useful equipment.
ore scanners.
ship scanners.
microwarp drives.
webifiers.
fighting drones.
It is a question of judgment and acceptable risk, but I often engage pirates. I am sometimes a dead carebear but more often not. Expect pvp always and prepare.
I think people become known in Eve and I prefer to be known as foolish, dangerous, or stupid, not frightened of a fight. I consider carefully before I choose escape. If I see flashing red, and they are alone in a ship I feel my drones have a go to beat, I will attack. If I feel I can not win, then time to cut losses and go.
Equip webifier on mining ships so drones can catch the pirate more easily.
Always expect any shuttle to be a pirate. Consider the risk before you engage a pirate. Evaluate their ship, look at their history. If you engage an ore pirate successfully, be prepared to move out, because ore pirates may become irate and return with far more dangerous ships than you can cope with. Do not engage in verbal hostilities with anyone, be polite.
Many ore pirates in high sec are quite advanced with nice ships which I personally think is somewhat tacky, yet picking on the little guy is the modus operandi of many in Eve. The more troubling pirate will be more interested in griefing and that is the one to be wary of.
This all becomes much easier with an alt in a gun ship standing by and this is how I fund my Hulk savings plan. Mining is not easy.
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Amantus
Gallente
Murientor Tribe
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.13 15:56:00 -
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As a miner I feel your pain. When I was still pretty new to the game I used to mine in Duripant until an ore thief came along and stole all my precious veld. I graduated to 0.0 mining a while ago but hopefully I can still help.
Basically, I'd advise you to move to a quieter system for mining. Grab a shuttle and venture a few jumps from where you're located at the moment and see whether there are any quiet, 0.8 sec+ (NPC Pirates start to appear in 0.7 belts) systems that have a station in.
As a miner, I think you should stick to jetcan mining to be honest. Giant secure containers have to be anchored in order to use their password protection and you can only anchor cans at quite a distance away from the belt. Depending on how much you're able to mine, 3,900m3 probably won't be enough to hold all your ore anyway.
As for the bounty, don't bother. Bounties rarely encourage people to go after pirates and chances are that the ore thief won't have security status below -1.0 and won't go into low sec.
Welcome to EVE and good luck in your future mining.
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Discordant dreams
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Posted - 2007.05.13 16:39:00 -
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Join a corp, and get some support, solo play is not as fun :P
Our corp is only small and we still manage to run an escort and hauler to protect the miner/can and keep the secure empty for the miner. If we have to move out of range of the can and have to use a Jcan then we can get the hauler to park while taking directly from the jcan as soon as some is put in.
Sure some people might not want to spend game time hauling ore (and being of use to a corp) but if the corp rotates its member activities enough then there should be no major issues. Hell even miners get bored of mining and like to hunt/do missions too.
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Timsinsal
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Timsinsal on 15/05/2007 16:34:32
Edited by: Timsinsal on 15/05/2007 16:33:58
Well thanks again for all the support. Especially from Thesas, some very helpfull advice.
Not sure why my portrait's not showing (just a exclamation mark) I tried to get a thoughtful/un-agressive look but ended up looking like Charles Hawtrey.
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:54:00 -
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wheres the friendly hauler assiting u by taking up the most of youre ore. Leaving only 1 unit for ore thieves to take
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:09:00 -
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I wouldn't bother with secure cans. As others have said, just move your operation to a more quiet area. You will also have more of the better ore available as it won't have all been mined out.
I'd also agree about joining a corp. if you feel you are ready for that. It is much more fun, especially if you are with a good group. Also, it is more profitable as a good mining op usually has dedicated haulers and defenders, and can often be done in lowsec or 0.0, though many stay in higher security systems.
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Ebusitanus
Mythical Warriors and Workers
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:26:00 -
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I personally do not find my can worth the risk of getting my Retriever blown up by some ore thieves. If I get approached my the usual hauler suspect I just get my mining drones in and let him have his self-service. Half an hour work is not worth loosing my modulated deep core strip miners II. Secure can mining is IMHO a waste of time as with two cycles they are basically full already.
The of course not everyone is a bastard. Some ore thieves try to steal from macros and avoid active miners. Just two days ago I got looted by two fellows and after a brief chat on local where they realitzed I was very much online and watching they gave me 10 Mil as a goodwill gift.
One stupid n00b question...will ore stealing activate my defense scout drones that I have orbiting me for rat defense?
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Gregory TwiLight
Inter Stellar Mining Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:37:00 -
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Some times they will yes.
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Last Cause
Green Gecko Inc.
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:44:00 -
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I got a group of miners all riled up by thieving once, like full on swearing, smacking, and threatening in local. I thought nothing of his threats of his "high up" friends coming to kill me. That is until the corp's CEO convo'd me. It went something like this:
Me: Hello?
Him: Thank You
Me: Uh.....do what now?
Him: You were stealing from my miners' jetcans, I've been telling them to use GSCs and they just wouldn't listen stupid noobs.
Me: Oh....uh.....thanks :)
Him: I'll let you know if they're ever doing it again.
Me: *Maniacal laughter* Exxxxxcelent.....
So, even your CEO thinks ore thieves are great. :)
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Green Gecko Inc. A corp, A family.
Hiring ALL types of players! 0.0 based!
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F12ozen
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:39:00 -
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Run more missions, I haven't mined in a belt in a very long time, I mine from my missions. Get mostly the same ore, and almost never have anyone bother you. Some missions don't have belts in them, but the ones that do are loaded. I've personally pulled 2 mil units of Pyroxeres from a mission.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Last Cause
I got a group of miners all riled up by thieving once, like full on swearing, smacking, and threatening in local. I thought nothing of his threats of his "high up" friends coming to kill me. That is until the corp's CEO convo'd me. It went something like this:
Me: Hello?
Him: Thank You
Me: Uh.....do what now?
Him: You were stealing from my miners' jetcans, I've been telling them to use GSCs and they just wouldn't listen stupid noobs.
Me: Oh....uh.....thanks :)
Him: I'll let you know if they're ever doing it again.
Me: *Maniacal laughter* Exxxxxcelent.....
So, even your CEO thinks ore thieves are great. :)
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ZenThunder
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:56:00 -
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Me - I'm too lazy. I say don't use a can! Outfit a retreiver or covetor with as much cargo bay as you can and just go back and forth. Safe and simple (less money but less complicated). If you really want to jetcan then you should do it with other people who can scoop the cans up real fast when someone gets there or something...
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