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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:05:28 -
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Julianni Avala wrote:In the past when a structure has been destroyed in low orbit (Sanxing), they mentioned deploying an MTU net unit to catch any falling debris and ensure the safety of the people on the planet. I'm quite certain such a thing will be done in this case. Your mind can rest easy, Miss Jenneth.
The Astrahus itself is roughly 50km wide. Explosive breakup means that large chunks of debris will be moving very quickly. A mobile tractor's max range is 125km, and it only picks up the chunk of debris that contains the ID beaconGÇöto the point where multiple mobile tractors will fight over the same chunk of a dead titan.
You assurances seem... flawed. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3630
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Posted - 2017.05.16 16:57:23 -
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Diana Kim wrote: What Achura people need is for them to decide.
Careful, that sounds like freedom.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3634
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Posted - 2017.05.16 18:01:36 -
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Julianni Avala wrote: It was done before, according to Kolodi Ramal during the destruction of Sanxing's citadel. If you have questions as to how, I imagine forwarding your questions to him so as to gain a better understanding would be enlightening, much more so than debating it.
There's a thousand and one standard methods for dealing with orbital debris. Stars know we leave enough of it around planets and moons all over New Eden that most inhabited planets have a variety of ways to address both the navigational hazard and the possibility that a chunk large neough to make planetfall will come hurtling down. I've no doubt at all that the State has such systems on-site, nor that the Federation does. My objection was to the assertion that a single MTU would do more than look real pretty hauling in the main part of the wreck, and getting blown up. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3639
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Posted - 2017.05.16 22:02:19 -
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Ilan Ardishapur wrote:his God is nothing but a whisper in their deranged minds.
Much like yours..
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3649
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Posted - 2017.05.17 13:06:42 -
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Che Biko wrote:An endless cycle of construction and decommissioning may be preferable to an endless cycle of construction and destruction, though?
Either one just encourages him to do it again. You're giving him no reason not to continue his pattern of murder-for-attention. Congratulations, you're enablers. And really, given the lengths to which people go to justify being his enablers while simultaneously patting themselves on the back, it's clearly a co-dependent relationship.
"I have made you all react to me! I am so important!" meets "We stopped him again! Yay, something we did matters!"
And then what? Wait a month until he buys a new one? No no! Now we're convincing him to just take it down! He can go buy more slaves and set up shop in Dodixie next! And then everyone can run over there and spend a week getting all outraged. While the thing anchors, you can make your dire declarations of not tolerating his crap anymore. You can run up your utterly meaningless war declarations that won't take effect in time for the 15-minute vulnerability timer, so he's perfectly safe for a week. Longer, if he's smart and schedules the vulnerability timer for around 0700 or so. After all, which among you is going to alarm-clock that, since we can all see your activity patterns?
So he'll keep you chasing your own tails, and soaking up the attention, and you can keep on posturing until he's 'defeated' by agreeing to pull down his citadel. And then as soon as the war-decs expire, he sets it up again and goes to buy new slaves.
But keep on congratulating yourselves for doing nothing but encouraging him. After all, you wouldn't want to not be able to posture and preen right alongside him, right?
Tell you what: why don't you guys streamline the process, and just hang onto the slaves for him so you can trade them back once the citadel's down. You don't have to tell anyone. And at least then you're limiting the risk to one group of slaves, instead of cycling through fifty times that number. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3650
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Posted - 2017.05.17 13:28:16 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Some herd cats, some defend values. Why do you want to spoil their fun?
I don't give a damn about their fun. If they really want him to stop, then the way to do it is to starve him of the attention he craves. And for all the 'ohhh, childen stop but sociopaths don't'... Sociopaths also don't go around writing weeks upon weeks of hornball aphorisms about 'The earlobe of the Vheriokhor is fleshy and nibbleable; let it not tempt you from the path of veganism' or some such drivel. Napkins is a spoiled brat, not a sociopath.
But they don't really want to stop him, do they? For once, I think you've actually hit it right on the head.
This is just as much of a game to them as it is to him. Endangering peoples' lives, destroying space stations if they don't get their way... it's all just for 'fun'. So, you got me on this one, Morgana: they're not his enablers.
They're his partners.
ETA:
Casserina Leshrac wrote: Ah the better solution?
Already given, many times, by more than just me. Ignore him. Yes, in the short term, he'll act out worse. In the long term he'll give up. And I promise, if he'd killed a million people the first time and gotten no-where and given up, we'd have a smaller body-count now.
But please, by all means, keep dancing with him. Enjoy your fun-time. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3651
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:04:46 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Please show the historical reference that you method works.
So your objection to not repeating the behavior patterns that have proven ineffective is 'nobody's tried not doing this'?
Here's one for you: Napkins used to obsess over Matari women of all types. Then he actually got a little attention from a Vheri, so he started focusing on them. Once she stopped paying attention to him for a sustained period, he focused on someone else.
So, we know it works, when there aren't a bunch of co-dependent attention-whores involved who are just as eager to seem important as he is.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3651
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:06:09 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: As I understand it we will wait when it is vulnerable.
Which is when? Are you just going to poll whoever's around in local when the time comes? |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3652
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:07:24 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It's a bloody highsec citadel and if history is any judge, it'll be unarmed. It's not like it requires something worthy of being called a fleet.
Well, he wouldn't want to actually lose anything, right? This sort of idiocy is why you're so bitter all the time, isn't it? |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3659
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Posted - 2017.05.17 14:47:45 -
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So he specifically arranged for it to be vulnerable in a window when a whole lot of people would be around to come pay attention to him. And you all took the bait.
The stupid actually burns.
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:I'm not bitter, I'm fashionably disgusted and resigned.
Well, you do disgusted a lot more fashionably than I do, it's true. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3659
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Posted - 2017.05.17 15:21:59 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: even as he's offering to personally beat Brutor and denying what multiple witnesses saw.
To be fair, a lot of the Brutor I've known would groove on that. Purely from a 'I get to swing back' angle.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3663
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Posted - 2017.05.17 16:29:56 -
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Tom Horn in an evemail to Xindi Kraid wrote: liberal fascist capsuleers
Horn, you do know that fascism is an inherently illiberal philosophy that marries private corporations and militaristic nationalism, right?
You know, kinda... you?
More Horn wrote: Any of our fighters who suicide attacks you , will be rewarded by the great Caldari Spirit with 50 nubile Caldari virgins, in the after life at the end of their immortality.
What? No, seriously, what? This sounds like some bizzaro merger of Caldari spirituality with Amarr-style monotheistic 'live forever after death' nonsense. What the bleeding hel, man?
OH MY GOD TOM HORN IS FROM INTAKI wrote: Glory to the Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front, Gory to the Provist caliphate.
So... did the Provist Mujahideen Liberation Front split off from the Intake Liberation Front, or was the PMLF another group that split off from the Liberation Front of Intaki, maybe originally the Liberation Front of IntakiGÇöProvist Mujahideen Division? Doesn't matter. Still a bunch of bloody splitters.
Also... Provist caliphate? Soooo.. directly advocating the overthrow of the Caldari Corporations in order to establish a Theocracy... wow, Horndog, you're just nutters ain'cha?
Also, Makoto... seriously. DAFUQ? |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3667
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Posted - 2017.05.17 19:23:17 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Welcome to the pandering dance.
Upset that he's cutting in on your pander-action? |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3667
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Posted - 2017.05.17 19:43:33 -
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So you're attempting to appeal to the guy who's setting out to kill innocent people with the line 'there is no need for the loss of innocent lives'.
'Look, there's no need for you to get what you want here'.
Strong move. Really.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3668
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Posted - 2017.05.17 20:25:05 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: This is my homeworld. The issue is serious to me.
And whose homeworld will it be next time? And the time after that? The time after that? Will it be as serious to you then?
It's my people. Every time, Aria. Not just this time. It's always serious to me. And you, the blooder idiot, and the rest are making it worse in the long-term. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3671
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Posted - 2017.05.17 20:53:21 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: Arrendis if you have something to add that will give me some clarity to this discussion I will listen.
Are you really stupid enough to not know that the slaves he sacrifices every single time are uniformly Matari slaves? Or just that bad at reading comprehension?
Every time I think you can't get dumber. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3672
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Posted - 2017.05.17 20:58:22 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote: Well you see Arrendis, Goons were part of "the attention game" at some point, shooting his POS in Oyeman if I'm not mistaken. Funny thing about that, after that engagement he started to drop POSes almost on a monthly basis until Jenneth tried to put him under her heel which surprisingly enough actually stopped him for some time.
So if someone didn't cyno in a big enough ferox fleet to remove a no-name POS, pattern would not get reinforced to such extent and it wouldn't be worse in the long-term.
Yes, thank you very much for citing at me my own experience, having been one of the people running that fleet.
And no, we didn't cyno in. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3674
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:11:56 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:If you'd have cyno'd in you might have caught something with a warp drive rather than settling for the consolation prize. Let's face it, you didn't turn up for the tower and we both know that.
In order to cyno in, we'd have needed to move something to bridge with from Deklein. But yes, actually, Boat and I had different objectives in mind. That doesn't mean we weren't there for both.
Besides, we caught a PIE fleet. Even had a little bit of a good time with them as we all went chasing Machariels after the tower died. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3674
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:15:32 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote: Oh so you were a part that contributed to the problem there, good work. That was the most of attention he actually got, the biggest fleet that he managed to get involved.
Again: Really, good work there trying to throw back in my face exactly the evidence for my position. You know, the stuff I haven't denied at all? I don't know why you think you're somehow pulling off some great reveal or moral 'gotcha' here.
"Giving him attention is bad, it makes him worse. Trust me, I know. We tried it your way."
"But you gave him attention, too!"
"I know. I already said we tried it your way, that's how we know it doesn't work."
"Ah-HAH!!!!"
:golfclap: |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3677
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:16:24 -
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Syenna Celeste wrote:Arrendis wrote: Besides, we caught a PIE fleet.
Do PIE know that Kernher sold them out to you?
Please. We skirmished on the gate, the PIE FC got in touch with Boat, and both groups went chasing the Machs together.
But keep trying! |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3677
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:20:18 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: You have a personal stake in this beyond genocidal tendencies of just one man. And not join the likes of Usha'Kahn or the Electus Matari (I don't need answers to those questions)
Well, good, because none of that was questions. You might notice you didn't even use question marks. Or even a subject (or actual verb, since you didn't freakin' conjugate 'join') in the sentence fragment you call your second... question?
As for the rest... I've told Aria privately that I won't say anything else on this matter. So I won't.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3680
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:47:30 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote: Consider my accusations withdrawn. And you have my apologies.
Don't bother. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3680
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Posted - 2017.05.17 21:59:55 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote: Not at all. You are the one that said "the rest are making it worse in the long-term", don't point fingers when you were one of the involved that contributed a fair share.
And I've also said my position was born of experience. What did you take that to mean?
Quote: Wait a minute there, what PIE FC? There were 5 PIE members in that fleet merged with other militia corps Pyre and DnG included. From Oyeman fleet repositioned first to Ezzara, then to Vard when we actually had a fight with your fleet.
I could be forgetting something but I think Pyre was FCing that.
Then the PY-RE FC. Like I pay attention to which tiny little group is leading a tiny little gang. Whoever was running it shot Boat a private comm and got the whole thing sorted before the Machs were sighted. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3680
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Posted - 2017.05.17 22:01:35 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tick-Tock. Diplomacy has a best-before date.
It requires you to have something the other party wants, but can't otherwise get, too. As a general rule. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3683
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Posted - 2017.05.18 02:13:50 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The only information I did not divulge was the name of the person who warned me... though by now I imagine it's pretty obvious.
It was Boat, wasn't it?!?
Quote: A completely unexpected Dead Terrorist mach fleet also showed up to engage the tower, and both the Goons and the PIE/Pyre/CVA/DNG/etc fleet attempted to chase them. They escaped, and our FC chose to engage the Goon fleet instead in order that we would actually have a fight that evening.
The Ezzara infrastructure hub was then bashed by our remaining fleet members after that battle.
Eh, hunting the machs before or after the fight, I never pay attention to order of events on a Boat fleet. I'm too busy waiting for him to bomb his own fleet or order the fleet to jump through a gate into a deathtrap by mistake.
He's kinda famous for that. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3684
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Posted - 2017.05.18 02:17:48 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Some of us just said exactly that. Some people pride themselves on having sources and knowing everything that's going on - my guess would be wounded pride at not figuring it out themselves.
But not all of us felt that way.
Well it's not like I didn't say more or less 'I'm gonna come and kill this thing, Napkins'. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3688
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Posted - 2017.05.18 02:51:09 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Sure, but this is the IGS, Arrendis.
Statements of intended action don't often materialise into fleets, here.
Well, that sounds to me like a problem for the people who should keep their statements in the 'Idle Threats' thread. 
They should also note that when I say I'm gonna do a thing, I do it. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3693
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Posted - 2017.05.18 16:03:08 -
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You'll note, I'm not the one who brought it up, and I'd already agreed to Aria's request. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3702
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:00:07 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Casserina Leshrac wrote:Looks like a lot of Cruiser Deaths. To be expected with an assault like this.
Miz, I think Nauplius' title of crimson clown is rapidly being usurped.
With fits like those... ugh.
As others have said: No, a high-sec Astrahus shouldn't be able to do more than put up a pretty light show. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3702
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Posted - 2017.05.19 00:10:15 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Please don't call these people mercenaries. Sometimes it's cute, in that baby seals walking into a club kind of way but this is just depressing.
Can we call them Self-Inflicted Gutshots? |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3702
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Posted - 2017.05.19 01:49:02 -
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Because generally speaking, human beings are about as intelligent as a trio of week-dead fedo. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3710
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Posted - 2017.05.19 14:33:28 -
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Lasairiona Raske wrote:What just happened here?
I think, for the sake of sanity, we should all just agree on the following description of what we've read:
"I can't even..." |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3714
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:18:43 -
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Che Biko wrote:I think Ms. Jenneth was not referring to Ms. Tsukiyo's concience.
It's a pretty easy mistake to make though. 'Nothing' and 'Nothing' get confused a lot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3750
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:25:27 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: I bring news to you
... that literally everyone who's ever dealt with Napkins already knew. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3756
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:36:21 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Ohhhh, do read again this entire topic, specially your contributions to it and compare to what you just wrote.
Nice try, but again, context matters. There is a difference between 'OH MY GOD EVERYONE LOOK I FOUND OUT THIS THING!!!!' and 'You all know this already, why are you repeating the same behavior and acting like it will change anything?' |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3756
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Posted - 2017.05.19 16:44:43 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote: Where was it written in any way that whatever i did, shared, informed, or that my existance matters in any shape or form?
Every time you post your little 'finger pointing at the moon' nonsense, you are employing a passive-aggressive method of taking those around you to task for not heeding your guidance.
This means that you feel your guidance should be heeded.
This means that you feel itGÇöand thus the existence that provides itGÇömatters.
It also shows the rest of us don't feel that way.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3777
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Posted - 2017.05.20 13:11:25 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:You really are bad at this backpedaling thing, aren't you?
Almost as bad as she is at saying anything of consequence, Miz. I'd have thought you'd have seen that by now.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3777
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Posted - 2017.05.20 13:17:27 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote: Well, there is loss of life in citadel destruction regardless, same as with ships. For example when the Scope reported on destruction of a Keepstar they were stating around 62 000 000 deaths if my memory serves me right.
So reality of this situation is - loss of life is inevitable, it could be slaves it could be citadel personnel tho.
They also stated it was more than twice that. And then a little more than half. The Scope isn't what you'd call a terribly accurate news source when it comes to the details.
But yes, the citadel's crew will sustain losses. Just like any ship. Just like on most ships, they're paid to be there. If they didn't take the time to educate themselves about who they were signing on with, that's on them. But no, because of the asset protection systems in Upwell constructions, 'it could be slaves' is, in fact, completely wrong. As long as he leaves them in there, the slaves will not die. He will simply move them to his next facility. Then everyone can feel really really great about 'saving' them again, while actually doing nothing of the sort. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3863
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Posted - 2017.05.23 03:51:01 -
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I'm still not clear on how shooting the citadel is supposed to help those slaves. This isn't like the older tower shoots Pieter was describing. Blowing up the astrahus isn't going to free a single one of them. |

Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3913
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:32:46 -
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Nauplius wrote:In a age yet unborn they will be spoken with Zakara and Garum and Satach and all the great heroes and martyrs of the Faith.
Ah, yes, the noble sacrifice of Docking Hangar Worker #2206.
Tell me, do you even know their names? Who are these noble martyrs?
All of 'em.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3946
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Posted - 2017.05.26 13:15:42 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:It was never about the station or the Achurran people. You think yourself as a god among the astropolitan community.
And you dutifully worship away. |
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