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N4S33M
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:08:00 -
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I am a father who allows his children to play EVE under my supervision.. using my charcater and there own. Can someone tell what the age limit of EVE is , my box says 11+ ok.. if so it would be much appreciate if ppl could consider language and content of insults, after all this is just a game. Enjoy and have fun
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:15:00 -
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I am a father who allows his children to play EVE under my supervision.. using my charcater and there own. Can someone tell what the age limit of EVE is , my box says 11+ ok.. if so it would be much appreciate if ppl could consider language and content of insults, after all this is just a game. Enjoy and have fun
The Eve box I have is marked Teen - Game Experience May Change During Online Play by the ESRB. According to the ESRB, products marked with such a rating and notice are:
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Titles rated T - Teen have content that may be suitable for persons ages 13 and older. May contain violent content, mild or strong language, and/or suggestive themes.
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Additionally, online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:16:00 -
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It's the children that do most of the swearing
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slothe
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 05/01/2004 19:20:05
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It's the children that do most of the swearing
too true. they are most annoying too.
ok i know its a generalisation but its generally true.
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Kirsten
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:21:00 -
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soon as your kids go to school, they know all the old swear words and new ones you dont know about..
unavoidable im afraid
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:27:00 -
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Profanities is somthing that belongs to youth, as you grow older and get a better vocabulary you dont need profanities anymore.
Equally true with all the "umm", "aaa", "you know" bits used in speach.
I do however agree with Naseem (see above why I dont use elite spelling) that there is a tad too much of it at times.
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Relentless
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:29:00 -
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Still, I do like the idea of supervised children in Eve. This game would be the better for it if some of the more obnoxious teens here had to deal with Mom looking over their shoulder. 
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cypriss
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: cypriss on 05/01/2004 19:53:11
is there no filter for language that you can turn on or off? this forum has a great filter. i know EQ has it
i tripped on a ***** in the sidewalk.
hmm who knew c.r.a.c.k was a bad word?
next thing you know this will be wht the forum looks like.
i ***** that if ****** was to **** **** me ***** in ****** ***** that the ******* should ****** ******.
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Nalias
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:51:00 -
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From the EULA you agree to every time you start Eve:
"If you establish an Account, you represent that you are an adult thirteen (13) years of age or older and are either accepting the EULA on behalf of yourself or on behalf of your child, in which latter case you agree to the EULA with regard to your child and represent that you are also personally bound by the EULA.
ii. Game Rating
EVEÖ has a ôTEENö rating. Parents may find it inappropriate for use by children under the age of thirteen (13)."
Additionally, there is nothing in the EULA concerning language used in the game. If a game allows scamming, piracy, roberry and extortion, what makes you think they would limit the language used?
I can understand your concerns as a father, but the simple reality is that exposing your children to an MMO is the same as taking them to the county fair, an amusement park, a fireworks show, a rodeo, or any other public event. In public events you have very little control over what your children may see or hear.
Feel free to petition CCP for a bad word filter (I don't think there's one in the game) but asking over 5,000 people to never, ever curse just for the sake of your 2 children is a bit selfish and extreme.
I also suggest that you keep your children out of MMOs until they are old enough in your eyes to be exposed to the things you find in everyday MMO life. Even the SIMS Online has Bordellos. You might want to limit them to client-only games (If they enjoy Eve then Tachyon: The Fringe or Homeworld 1/2 may entertain them.)
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Old Winter
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Posted - 2004.01.05 19:52:00 -
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at least they are learning to spell the words look on the bright side.
But as generalisations go, it will be the younger element doing most of the swearing.
A playground is a rather more vicious place than the office, so please, protect us from the kids.
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:01:00 -
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agreed, most of the online games (including this one) that I've played the kiddies have the worst language.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:37:00 -
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Hello
If it helps, we have a forum filter and bypassing that filter is against the forum rules. The moderators do their best to filter out any profanity or personal attacks.
I believe that in game we have a similair policy, you can petition against harrassment.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:38:00 -
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I believe that both adults and kiddies do an equal amount of swearing. Of course it's hard to define who's adult if judging strictly by maturity.
I agree with idea of having an option to block profanity in the chat. But in general, swearing lowers the morale of a group. Whether the group finds it offensive or not, they usually end up with a lower morale because of it. Having the ability to block that will allow many people to play a more enjoyable game without the constant bombardment of harsh comments and language.
As far as learning swear words in school... you may learn them but that doesn't mean that you have to use them. Also most schools have a code of conduct that prohibits those words. That doesn't prevent it from happening entirely, as we all well know.
Increased exposure to an environment of profanity also increases the usage of that language. Parents dont want to put their children in places where they HAVE to let their children listen to profanity. For the most part they also want to be there with them if they have to go through it. I support parents that watch their children while playing video games and monitor their behavior.
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:41:00 -
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hehe, i remember betaing another mmopg, and i said **** in chat, about 10 seconds later, the head exploit hunter contacted me, and we had a little freindly chat....
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:46:00 -
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Now why would a father of 11-year old child type his name in 1337... j/k 
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.01.05 20:48:00 -
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Hello
If it helps, we have a forum filter and bypassing that filter is against the forum rules. The moderators do their best to filter out any profanity or personal attacks.
I believe that in game we have a similair policy, you can petition against harrassment.
But Damn it would suck to find out that its ones own children and maybe get account banned
/giggle
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 05/01/2004 21:17:32
Bah and here I am thinking that finally this shadow corporation Children of EVE has become active. 
Serves me right for reading fast, excitement level sinking...
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:21:00 -
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
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ManniXXX
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:29:00 -
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You've gotta put the swearing in context, if its 'oh <swearword> i've just lost my brand new ship to pirates', i think its acceptable but if its dircted towards someone or a personal attack then its not.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:30:00 -
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
LOL
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: kurg on 05/01/2004 21:36:16
When in corp chat we can swear quite a lot, but this is among ppl we think to know and have a 'realtionship to'
Sometimes when roleplaying some swearing and badmouthing will occur, but only in the line of the roleplay.
I dont think that eve introduces ppl to badlanguage they have not allready encountered somewhere else.
Also being amarrian, I basically play the role of a selfrighteous facist 'bastard', though this may surprise ppl  it is in stark contrast to my reallife personality and that is exactly what makes it fun.
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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Cosh
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Posted - 2004.01.05 21:37:00 -
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I`m 29 and Scottish, therefore I tend to swear a lot in real life 
In the game I think the strongest word I`ve used is the S word for the stuff that dogs leave on the pavement (i.e. s**t) and maybe the A word for where the S stuff comes from (i.e. A**e)
If your kids are in a corp with `sensible` ppl then the chances of them reading any severe profanities are slim - I would look to their e-mail inboxes for stuff that could corrupt them
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kurg
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Posted - 2004.01.05 22:13:00 -
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damnit cosh I had just cleared my inbox and my mind of 30 spammails... then you bring it back on my mind... 
even the paranoid has real enemies...
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.01.05 22:50:00 -
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This kind of crap is no issue in Norway, why is it in the US?
Why the big fuzz about socalled "bad language"?
There is no good or bad language, it's just language, how most people speak (unless they are religious fanatics)
HTF do you think children talk in school?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:14:00 -
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They talk themselves into lower grades and dead end jobs, that's one of the upsides.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:25:00 -
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... get a better vocabulary ...
As a strict proponent of the intricacies English language, I hereby propose that you learn spanish.
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Mrs Lunatic
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:48:00 -
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lol@tank
But soldiers in general are very young, borderlining to not "qualify" as grown men I would say
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:57:00 -
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It's the children that do most of the swearing
what the %&#@!@#$ you mean, nobody swears, we make odd looking %&#@!@#$ charactors from the %&#@!@#$ ascii set....
Seriously, it is mostly kiddies doing the profanity posting.
...Pann has a player nerf bat that can handle the bad kiddies. (works on adults too, I know...)
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.01.05 23:59:00 -
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I be cursed at and called such things that if
1. I actuly cared
2. could send logs to these people's parents
Me and them would not be playing eve for a LONG time
but I see people throwing insults and cursing in chat as people that cant find a way to get me in game out of lazyness or ignorance
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.06 00:00:00 -
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Hello
If it helps, we have a forum filter and bypassing that filter is against the forum rules. The moderators do their best to filter out any profanity or personal attacks.
I believe that in game we have a similair policy, you can petition against harrassment.
Filter works well, sometimes it maistakes an inocent words partial part but overall it works well. But I think the poster was referring to ingame chats. which I have seen some vulgar things said, and reported them.
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Code404
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Posted - 2004.01.06 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Code404 on 06/01/2004 00:06:11
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Tank CEO wrote:
I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
...pot, kettle.....cheers...
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Fantus III
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Posted - 2004.01.06 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Fantus III on 06/01/2004 00:10:49
N4S33M, forgive me if I presume, that your children are over the age of 11 already; otherwise they wouldn't be playing the game at all - given your concerns around swearing.
My own feeling as a mother is that censoring my children from any life experience, games included, would serve only to harm them. Hiding their eyes from swearing now will not make it disappear in their lives - either now or in the future.
Instead I sit with my sons and explain to them what swearing is and why people use it - often in anger. I've even given them the words so that they can recognise them. That way they are equipped to deal with it when it comes.
I do it so that they will never come home from school in 'bullied and teased' tears because they didn't know what the "C" word was.
My sole purpose as a parent is to teach them how to live in this life. By shielding them I prevent them from learning and so growing. Give them Love - so they can experience and understand their own feelings, and give them Wisdom so that they may use them.
My love to them and you.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2004.01.06 00:08:00 -
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Very well said Fantus
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.01.06 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 06/01/2004 00:10:12
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I am a father who allows his children to play EVE under my supervision.. using my charcater and there own. Can someone tell what the age limit of EVE is , my box says 11+ ok.. if so it would be much appreciate if ppl could consider language and content of insults, after all this is just a game. Enjoy and have fun
the thing u must teach to ur kid is that Swearing words are Powerwords!
used only in EXSTREAM situation, and if used to often they loose they power
in simpple way:Yes ... swearing words exist, but the meaning of em and usage is still missundersud by many ppls who use to swear alot
there is good exampple of situation apropriet to swaring: Monty python - Guest for holy grail -> when the mans came to pick up -That knight- from castle full of h÷rny wimens, and when the mens fled - there were 1 single swearing purpose used word in whole mowie: $h!t
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DJBoo
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Posted - 2004.01.06 02:01:00 -
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N4S33M you communist!
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.01.06 02:05:00 -
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when u go to bed i will sneak in ur house and steal all ur cookies!
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.06 02:57:00 -
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... get a better vocabulary ...
As a strict proponent of the intricacies English language, I hereby propose that you learn spanish.
Noooooooooes...not spanish, Ive lived in spain for 6 months and have just decided to learn it now.
I dont really have a problem with people using "bad language" in eve. Lick f*uck is in the oxford dictionary.
What I do have a problem with is somebody calling me a "******* *** ****er". If somebody simply states "holy **** you just podded me, your gonna pay for this, Im gonna **** you up" thats fine by me.
But as somebody already stated, your kid probably knowes more cuss words than you, its sumething you will just have to beat them out of.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2004.01.06 05:03:00 -
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Everyone gets a little caught up in the moment now and then. I cut people a little slack unless I see them them being abusive all the time. If they are abusive all the time I try to avoid them, if I can't avoid them I'd petition their language as harassment under the TOS but I've never resorted to that yet.
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Posted - 2004.01.06 08:14:00 -
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I would like to point out that it is your job to parent your child - not ours. If you do not like what you see in this game, it is not up to us to alter our behevior to suit your whimisical needs.
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DarK
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Posted - 2004.01.06 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: DarK on 06/01/2004 08:37:49
Nor is it your job to critisize every person with a different opinion on the trade channel....CHUMSICLE.
I also agree with Fantus that it is better not to shield them from such things, though I don't agree that it is usually out of anger. Some people have a hard time expressing themselves with normal words:)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.06 10:07:00 -
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My own feeling as a mother is that censoring my children from any life experience, games included, would serve only to harm them. Hiding their eyes from swearing now will not make it disappear in their lives - either now or in the future.
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N4S33M
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Posted - 2004.01.06 11:01:00 -
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Hi again everyone one who replied. To the sensible and mature & parent who replied.Thank You. Also I don't shield my children from it, and as u rightly say expalining it all is important as it is a way of life. As to the total idiots out there, that hide behind this game and like to throw profanities any chance they get, I just tell my children your "Another loser, sad in RL " To TANK CEO rofl. But my main concern was to get the general feeling of ppl,...no body gives a damn about who everyone else is, which is a real shame. In RL life I respect everyone, until they give me cause not to, this is true in game too..and I hope my children grow to be the same. And some ppl need to relax & enjoy this more. Its a GAME, ISKs ARE NOT REAL...and remember not everyone is a totally disrespectful person.
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Masi
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Posted - 2004.01.06 11:32:00 -
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When i used to solo pirate... Some of the hate mail i got i could'nt belive, a few were that bad i thought "stuff you****, reporting you". Its like there just calling u names, its 5 steps beyond that. Wishing my children "fking died to aids" what type of twisted crap is that?
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Lady Galadriel
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Posted - 2004.01.06 11:37:00 -
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
lol tell him your french
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.01.06 11:41:00 -
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To the original poster: There is no accounting for peoples stupidity in Eve, never forget that.
Whilst in Naginata, myself and my corp mates would regularly get alot of abuse and hate mail. There is no need for abuse like that in Eve, regardless of who you are and what you have done.
As for children, there is always an inherent risk of them being exposed to adult conversations and subject matter, but thats the risk you take as a parent. I don't consider it a risk myself - children hear just as bad language and subject matter in the playground at school. I know I did as a child.
There is nothing inherently wrong with swearing, its more shocking that people are still offended by it than it is that people swear. Its part of life. Its part of Eve. Systematic abuse of people is not acceptable, and that is the real issue for me.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2004.01.06 11:53:00 -
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
Lol i had a similar one once where this guy said he was a business man and travelled a lot and was going to fly to my house and beat me up. Lol im still waiting... |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2004.01.06 12:08:00 -
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I have watched this thread grow and grow, and I can't see why its such a big deal.
I don't swear that much in the chat channels unless I get highly annoyed or frustrated. They are only words and as I see a valid way of expression.
There can be many worse things said without the slightest hint of a swear word. But if the kids are educated and understand what the reasoning behind them I don't see why they shouldn't continue in moderation.
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Major Trucker
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Posted - 2004.01.06 15:43:00 -
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Now why would a father of 11-year old child type his name in 1337... j/k
Probably cause he is just as cool as the rest of the UK crew and 1337 was cool when he was 11 years old so it works pretty good.
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Alexandra Belani
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Posted - 2004.01.06 15:51:00 -
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Its possible that it would be good to filter our swearing, but what of gameplay. There are plenty of people in this game whose actions could do much more damage than a simple use of profanity.
If you feel that your child is not old enough to handle swearing - or that you would like to shield her/him from that kind of environment then it would probably not be in your best interest to get them involved in this game.
My child is 10 and has been playing this game for months successfully, but thats because she has a strong personality and resolve, and lets things roll off her back.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.01.06 16:59:00 -
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Hate to say this but unless one lives under a rock somewhere an 11 year old knows every bad word in the book. Probably a few new ones even you're not familiar with.
As to the mom who doesn't shield her kids from anything. So you're saying you would applaud the old man down the street for showing your kids hardcore *** pron in an attempt to seduce them? Afterall pedophiles are a part of life too right?
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.01.06 17:50:00 -
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Tank CEO Quote -
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
I think he was just ****ed because "you" blew him up, if it was any other "average joe shmuckatelli" he prolly wouldn't have made as much of a big deal about it...
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The Failure
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Posted - 2004.01.06 18:04:00 -
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As to the mom who doesn't shield her kids from anything. So you're saying you would applaud the old man down the street for showing your kids hardcore *** pron in an attempt to seduce them? Afterall pedophiles are a part of life too right?
That has to be the stupidest argument I've seen on theese boards. And that says a LOT.
But using your own logic you just confessed to locking your own (present or future) children up in a little room with soft walls to protect them from any harm.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2004.01.06 19:15:00 -
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You let your kids play an mmog on the internet, and you're seriously worried about swearing?
Shut your blinds, unplug your house from the rest of the world, quit paying the electric bill, don't ever turn on the tv, no more movies, don't listen to morning talk shows on the radio, and then, plug their ears and blindfold them(your children).
There are times that swearing should be prohibited, but thanks to cute lil pacifist panda's that let their little kids play the game, everything has turned into a oog insult.
You pirate someone, and the person who is robbed cannot play the role of the person who was robbed, lest he breaks the new cute lil newbie rules. |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.01.06 22:22:00 -
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That has to be the stupidest argument I've seen on theese boards. And that says a LOT.
But using your own logic you just confessed to locking your own (present or future) children up in a little room with soft walls to protect them from any harm.
So Mr. Braniac when someone makes an absolute statement. 'I don't believe in shielding my kids from ANYTHING'. What is your response?
As for how I try and raise my son. It's called moderation. Like any parent knows you pick your battles and you try to educate them so they can make their own survival choices.
I just simply don't believe in absolutes as the 'mom' earlier pointed out she does. I simply questioned how absolute her viewpoint was.
Had you not been living up to your moniker you would understand that.
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Elizar
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Posted - 2004.01.07 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Elizar on 07/01/2004 00:46:32
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I think the majority of the flamers of this game are grown men. (mentally not) Lol, I remember 1 hate mail, where I blew up a 'Marine' so he started to talk about how he was in IRAQ defending his country and that i just blew up a marine and i should be ashamed n crap and that he was going to come to my house and kill me.
I mean no disrespect to the mighty U.S. military...but shouldnt they be like, I dunno... shooting somthing, not playing games?
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Pann
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Posted - 2004.01.07 03:04:00 -
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Just to offer an "official" type reply here...
We have rules pertaining to the Help Channel and our IRC channels you can read here: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/chatrules.asp. These can be considered a basic rule of thumb for all public Eve channels, really.
We don't go around policing all channels for inappropriate behavior or profanity, but if players have a problem with something that's being said in a channel, they can file a harassment petition. This will automatically capture a sizeable amount of the most recent chat log and attach it to the petition.
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