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sinisterCTRL Uta Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 0	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:09:35 - [1] - Quote Hi, Maybe I'm missing something: To my mind the next logical step from Mining Barges (a Retriever in my case), would be the Porpoise. My problem being that I'd expect an increase in mining yield when moving to a Porpoise, but I just can't see how 5 drones (won't be using anything more expensive than Mining Drone II. Not fitting 5 'Augmented' Mining Drone @ 50 mil ISK ), will ever give me the same yield than my Retriever. Even with multiple skills that give you 10% extra mining drone yield. Am I missing something?!
LulKlz Duster Iudicium 13	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:24:27 - [2] - Quote Wondering the same.
Flharfh Lhar Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 25	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:24:50 - [3] - Quote The progression from barge is to the exhumer line of ships, not the porpoise. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mackinaw
JC Mieyli Ministry of War Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2017.05.22 18:25:53 - [4] - Quote porpoise is a command ships it boosts the mining output of other mining ships
sinisterCTRL Uta Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 1	Posted - 2017.05.22 19:13:36 - [5] - Quote Flharfh Lhar wrote: The progression from barge is to the exhumer line of ships, not the porpoise. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mackinaw The Mackinaw does not give me a big enough yield increase for the "price vs risk". I'm sorry, this still does not make sense! Have I reached my "cap" when it comes to mining in low-sec? Is my only logical next step the Rorqual?! Am i stuck in a Retriever until I have enough skills for the Rorqual?! https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rorqual?
Atomeon The Scope Gallente Federation 81	Posted - 2017.05.22 20:54:31 - [6] - Quote Whats your current skills? And what mining yield you think you should get from mining? Also what fit you prefer max security or max mining yield?
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 1210	Posted - 2017.05.22 21:53:11 - [7] - Quote If you are mining in dangerous space the retriever is an excellent choice - not because it is survivable but because it is cheap. You only a few loads of ore to pay for it. Insure the ship and getting blown up doesn't hurt. If you want more yield, the next step is an exhumer or you could try ninja mining in one of the expedition frigates - they are fast, cloaky, decent cargo hold and reasonably inexpensive. Porpoise, Orca and Rorqual are intended to be fleet support vessels. Orca and Rorqual were given the ability to use mining drones when the boosting changes forced them on grid.
Xianax Nordic Hawks 0	Posted - 2017.05.23 06:14:19 - [8] - Quote Mining drone II yields 33 m3 per cycle. Base x Role Bonus x Ship Level bonus x Rigs x Drone Interfacing x Mining Drone Level x Mining Drone Specialization Level = Yield/drone 33 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 1.15 x 1.15 x 1.1 x 1.5 x 1.25 x 1.1 = 222.78 per drone. 5 Drones = 1,113.9 Per 60 seconds (+ flight time to and from roid) This is at max skills level for all associated skills.
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 2561	Posted - 2017.05.23 10:55:30 - [9] - Quote The Porpoise is the Mining Command Ship of choice for Mining operation (operation = 3 or more players/accounts) in unsecured space. My alt makes great use of one in wormholes.
Roci Nantes Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2017.05.23 13:53:54 - [10] - Quote With augmented drones you can get close to 250m3 per drone and with nav comps or sitting on the rock can reduce the travel time down to almost nothing. Even then, it is only to enhance your mining experience and give you some additional value to your boosts. I have a porp for ice mining.. Even then I have 3 hulks and a hauling alt as well. That being said, if you think the Rorq, in low sec, is "Price vs risk" balanced you have lost your marbles. Between the multiple fits, fuel and papa drones you are a floating 8 to 12b target. While it can make its money back and then some it takes a fair amount of use and time to recoup the up front cost. If you are by yourself, someone will find you and you will die in a fire... The only way you are going to scale up, in mining, is to move to fleet mining. At that point though you have to ask yourself if it is worth the risk. I've seen one man mining fleets in high sec make 8+ bil a week and even if they do suffer a loss or two, who cares because dank isk.. The only way I've seen that topped is mining fleets in null.

Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 3075	Posted - 2017.05.26 01:05:13 - [11] - Quote sinisterCTRL Uta wrote: "price vs risk". sounds like you hit your cap then, in eve even rather small increases in efficiency can have large price tags. and if you are mining in lowsec it probably isn't worth it. PS: team up with some other players, a bunch of miners + a porpoise is far more effective than a bunch of miners all alone. selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Flharfh Lhar Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 29	Posted - 2017.05.26 15:52:35 - [12] - Quote sinisterCTRL Uta wrote: Flharfh Lhar wrote: The progression from barge is to the exhumer line of ships, not the porpoise. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mackinaw The Mackinaw does not give me a big enough yield increase for the "price vs risk". I'm sorry, this still does not make sense! Have I reached my "cap" when it comes to mining in low-sec? Is my only logical next step the Rorqual?! Am i stuck in a Retriever until I have enough skills for the Rorqual?! https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rorqual? EDIT: I'm seeing people doing 1113 m-¦/min with t2 drones and 1250 m-¦/min with augmented?! I must be missing something?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDMZyotn9js Your problem is that mining in low-sec is not optimal - in fact, it is literally the worst place to mine. In null-sec, friendly territory is relatively safe. In high-sec, Concord acts as a deterrent. Wormhole space is not great, but you can still close down a hole and the odds of a new K162 opening into your system are pretty low (plus you'll know when they do). Your best options are moving to high-sec or null-sec to mine.
Flharfh Lhar Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 29	Posted - 2017.05.26 15:53:58 - [13] - Quote Flharfh Lhar wrote: sinisterCTRL Uta wrote: [quote=Flharfh Lhar]The progression from barge is to the exhumer line of ships, not the porpoise. https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mackinaw The Mackinaw does not give me a big enough yield increase for the "price vs risk". I'm sorry, this still does not make sense! Have I reached my "cap" when it comes to mining in low-sec? Is my only logical next step the Rorqual?! Am i stuck in a Retriever until I have enough skills for the Rorqual?! https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rorqual? EDIT: I'm seeing people doing 1113 m-¦/min with t2 drones and 1250 m-¦/min with augmented?! I must be missing something?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDMZyotn9js Your problem is that mining in low-sec is not optimal - in fact, it is literally the worst place to mine. In null-sec, friendly territory is relatively safe. In high-sec, Concord acts as a deterrent. Wormhole space is not great, but you can still close down a hole and the odds of a new K162 opening into your system are pretty low (plus you'll know when it does). Your best options are moving to high-sec or null-sec to mine. Lowsec is like a pit of hungry lions and as a miner, you're a steak.
JuuR Zibaoo Akimamur Industries Astroglide Heavy Industries 2	Posted - 2017.06.01 12:57:40 - [14] - Quote you go from Venture to Prospect/Endurance and from Mining Barge to Exhumer and from Porpoise to Orca to Rorqual Barge to Exhumer are for you active mining in a belt Porpoise to Orca to Rorqual can fit booster modules to boost the barges and exhumers to moore yield, mining laser and stripminer range and mining crystals lifetime and they can do mining with drons too dont mix up shipclass - a mining barge has nothing todo with a industrial command ship https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/ORE_Basic_Ship_and_Skill_Overview you suse 3 alts with barges or exhumers and a 4th char with a porpoise for example .. thats a mining fleet them .. then you have mining yield a other thing is skills mining barge 5 exhumers 5 mining upgrades 5 for ice mining the icemining rig implants for ice (yeti) or ore (dont know the name) its a long way to get max mining yield but then you can make money even in LS with it .. and in LS i recomand the Skiff and not the Mackinaw becaus of the better tank each ship has his spot where you use it .. yea you can do what you want but if its is not the way you like it you better do it like it was planed i dont want to sound like a teacher .. you have to find out what your way is but some people can help and my help would be "use the right ship" JuuR
Kathern Aurilen 244	Posted - 2017.06.04 07:59:23 - [15] - Quote They are right the porpoise is mainly used as a boost ship when or are and rorq or skills prevent it. I wouldn't just use it solo not much point to it IMO No cuts, no butts, no coconuts! Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!


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