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CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.15 17:50:00 - [1] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar maybe we should ask someone with actual authority instead. These guys certainly don't have any of that. those two Emperor's have joined God in His holy kingdom. however Deacon Lorenzo Azir might be reachable. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:58:00 - [2] Originally by: Kovid For if win it was proof of faith and god loves them. For if they loose it was one of many responses: "a test of faith" "meant to be" "god has a plan for all of us" That is a very two dimensional estimation of religious conviction. Life is rarely so simplistic. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You people are as bad at debate as your are at fighting and boy is that saying something I would have to disagree on that mark, PIE has done very well to maintain decorum in the face of adversity. Were we to analyze this debate by the standardized rules you would not like the outcome. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So Rodj, Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No? many have been very polite in answering that question including myself. We all have the answer, both Yes and No. the cluster is not so simple to define nor does our reality fit into a concise box argument. I would not be opposed to discussing the next logical step in your argument, which is whether the Star Fraction is having an impact on the empire and the contagious mementics it propagate. that would be something worth discussing as I feel a great many individuals have widely divergent points of view on that matter. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:27:00 - [4] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:27:23 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine If they answer "yes" then it automatically means their enemies are Relevant too and that contradicts their rhetoric for the last six weeks (and most of the last four years in truth) and they can no longer fall back on "the Empire is immortal and cannot be affected by you peons" nonsense they like to spout. If they answer "no" then it means they have been fighting for nothing for four years and admit they are nothing in turn. not to make it a bad habit but I will again have to disagree with you Ms. Constantine. Such simplistic analysis of a situation does not lend itself to the weight of years and volume of history present. I recall your own notable organization has often been the victim of broad and vast generalizations. No organization that has persisted so long and been part of so much can ever be quantified in such a way. Would you care to discuss the various ways your Organization is having an impact on both the Pod community and the Empire at large? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth my this debate is running fast, forgive me for quoting so late
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:43:00 - [5] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:42:27 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 16/05/2007 13:27:41 Originally by: Archbishop Hypothetically speaking of course if someone is relevant and someone else declares war on them does that make them automatically relevant too? Nope. Nice try though. Of course it does. If corporation A. is promising to mine X amount of minerals for alliance B. Then A is relevant to B. If corporation C declares war (and suppresses and damages) corporation A (thereby limiting its ability to deliver minerals for alliance B) then corporation C is relevant to Alliance B as well, (since it is impact its ability to gather minerals). So if PIE is relevant to the Empire then Star Fraction is relevant to the empire since we have handed you a right royal kicking in six weeks and critically wounded your corporation. Whereas if SF is irrelevant to the Empire then PIE must be irrelevant to the Empire also. The logic is pretty straightforward. I would venture to say that any organization that can mount twenty or more high powered and well fitted vessels for war is relevant to any other organization with similar capability. that could then logically transfer relevent impact to the parent organization of whomever the aforementioned fleet of twenty decide to impede and engage. My question to you Ms. Constantine, and trust me when I say I am sincere is wishing an answer for curiosity's sake and not to make some convoluted point, Do you feel your ability to impede Amarrian Paramilitary deployment capabilities and the destruction Star Fraction levels on their fleets has a significant impact on their parent organization? as a follow up may I ask if you feel such impact as you perceive your organization inflicts is worth the cost in isk, lives and time? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 13:54:00 - [6] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 13:53:49 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: CometQueen not to make it a bad habit but I will again have to disagree with you Ms. Constantine. Such simplistic analysis of a situation does not lend itself to the weight of years and volume of history present. I recall your own notable organization has often been the victim of broad and vast generalizations. No organization that has persisted so long and been part of so much can ever be quantified in such a way. I think you are seeing the point. No organization that has persisted so and been a part of so much can ever be quantified in this way eh? And yet the Amarrian bloc are continuing in the suggestion that Star Fraction is irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire. And I am saying that given the comprehensive crushing of all PIE fleet operations in the throne worlds it is not possible for SF activities to be irrelevant to the Amarrian Empire unless the activities of its loyalist capsuleer organizations are also judged to be irrelevant. well thank you. I always strive to seek and understand, it is what leads me along God's path. I feel there is a divergences of thought, or perhaps some part of the various explanations between your two organizations that is leading to an incompatible conversation. I could venture a guess but I'd rather not muddy the waters with supposition from an outside perspective. I feel I have made my opinion clear and have asked what I hope to have answered in the above post. I would also like to add as an aside that your writing was indeed very good and in my estimation you have great skill at verbal communication through written means. Besides the written work your imagery is quite poignant. Who may I ask is responsible for the various banners and slogan posters your movement deploys so aptly? Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth again my speed has proved itself insufficient, you have answered my questions and I thank you.
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:19:00 - [7] Edited by: CometQueen on 16/05/2007 14:20:45 Originally by: Razor Jaxx The Fraction, in close association with Reikoku, played the role of a catalyzer to rally forces which would eventually lead to the demise of a (then) very strong Phoenix Alliance. As such, it did have major impact on the political history of the galaxy. even there, to indulge in such un-inspired commentary? that is well documented and indeed I remember the change Pure Blind went through during that conflict. My personal opinion is that (until recently with the emergence of Razor and Freedom Force) Pure blind had changed for the worse but that depends on your definition of what the Phoenix alliance were doing there. Originally by: Razor Jaxx Paramilitaries are actually verging on outlaws themselves, striking where the law cannot strike another term for this is vigilantes. your estimation of the concept of Paramilitaries I feel is accurate, though in this instance PIE does operate with the approval of the Empire. I feel that a closer terminology for them would be Regulators. Originally by: Razor Jaxx Considering that the empire was powerless to expel us, would PIE do its job as a paramilitary organization beholding the true values of the ruling body? Would they extend the law, and kick us out of their sacred lands? I braced myself for the epic encounters I had so often dreamed about. As much as I agree with your two above points, and am glad indeed that you brought them up adding a counter balance to the "accomplishment" debate, I have to disagree here in two ways. the first is that when an individual who is declared an enemy of the Empire enters secure boarders they are usually destroyed instantly. Between Concord, the Empire's gate turrets and the various patrols of Navy ships there is no longer a Pod fleet capable of sustaining operations in an Empire's territory that has them marked as threats...now that the Ospreys have been retired that is. We have all seen the subspace announcements which often precedes a brilliant explosion and a quickly retreating escape pod. you already answered my second point, even before I posted it seems Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:58:00 - [8] I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I am curious where this line of discussion is leading Ms. Constantine, do you mean to say the number of vessels destroyed proves or disproves claims of involvement? not to sound like I am prevaricating in defense of your argument (well perhaps a little, I beg your indulgence). I must admit I am not personally responsible for much in the way of actual ship destruction but during my time with the Khanid in Relinquished I scouted much and feel I provided great assistance. I have also offered significant bounties to organizations in Agil to clear the HED gate when I had to transport significant assets in a vessel ill-fitted for blockage maneuvering, before transports and cloaking devices. I also have connected organizations together and shared news of interest and in numerous occasions this led to cooperation and eventual success of said organizations. such as during several Placid conflicts. and I have also supplied logistical aid during times of war, indeed I retained a contract with a now defunct but was then the largest Southern alliance that included the moving of star base fuel in and moon minerals out through the war torn highways of Empire an on occasion into Omist itself. This kept many stations running and isk flowing from Moon production. Perhaps I am mistaken (that is always an unwavering possibility) but not being on concord loss declarations I do not feel proves overmuch in the scheme of greater conflicts. This is only my personal experience of course. Cometqueen devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Jonny Damordred Originally by: CometQueen Besides the written work your imagery is quite poignant. Who may I ask is responsible for the various banners and slogan posters your movement deploys so aptly? Atandros and I seem to be responsible for the majority of the more recient banners. However, many hands have done the artwork for SF in the past. Cheers, Jonny D. Well you should be commended. Your dramatic example of media is quite good and I (as a member of the audience) appreciate the time, effort and thought that obviously goes into your work. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: CometQueen I do hate to be nit-picky but i seem to recall an image of Mr. Blake himself in an Archon, but i have no knowledge of a time stamp for such media. The implication was that he used it in Providence. I don't mean to be nit-picky, but thats pretty trusting of you isn't it? Rodj gets called out for lack of activity and some just happens to have a picture to hand of him in space? I'm sure the first thing I would think of when facing down that many enemies is to take of picture highlighting Rodj in space. In truth I saw no time stamp for the image, but taking a snap shot during conflict is not so difficult. I have done many, it is my bread and butter as a matter of fact. If I recall the image was of capital ships assaulting a star base and in my experience those conflicts are very long and very slow. Originally by: Sable Schroedinger ...actually from past experience I might quickly check to see if he was still with us, but thats another story. One I'll only tell if you're actually interested. I am always interested in further understanding. Please do elaborate Mr. Schroedinger. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth

CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:07:00 - [11] Edited by: CometQueen on 17/05/2007 14:05:51 Originally by: Nekumi I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues. oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. for decorum's sake I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation. Conversation is always derailed by such unnecessary hostility Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.17 14:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Nekumi Originally by: CometQueen Originally by: Nekumi I also find it humourous that a suspected pederast with obvious delusions of grandeur and possibly suffering from schizophrenic breaks seeks to council others on mental health issues. oh now really, such insults are uncalled for. As a Devotee of God I find that singularly offensive when leveled at a priest of such renown. I would respectfully ask that you not degrade this conversation, for decorum sake. Conversation is always derails by such unnecessary hostility Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth Issues of mental health are always a delicate thing to discuss. I apologise if I have offended you but my statement stands. your statement is unnecessarily vicious, and I have nothing more to add to a conversation that has degraded to such a state. I will pray for your well being Ms. Nekumi. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth

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