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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:56:00 -
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Hey fellow space travelers!
To state the obvious I think there's a simple reason Caldari don't solo PvP well.
Our tank is in the mid slots.
Armor tanks are in the low slots.
Tackle gear goes in the mid slots.
Dee dee dee.
I'm sure this has been explained ad nauseum for years but ain't it great when a noob gets it?
But feel free to point out something im missing.
I approved this message
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:58:00 -
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Want a cookie? 
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Gladiator Jonny
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:58:00 -
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/me thinks this is pure flame bait.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:59:00 -
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I really find no problem flying caldari ships in PvP. I mean I can see the problems when layed out on paper but quite often I just don't find them quite as substantial as it seems when I actually try it.
Admitidly I have stopped flying much in the way of BS's and I'm not sure how they fare in this department.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.05.15 16:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Gladiator Jonny
/me thinks this is pure flame bait.
Naah, he just saw me posting it 5 minutes ago here and then created a new thread about it. :)
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:00:00 -
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And that armor tanking is better than shield tanking, and that missles suck, and that Caldari get no drone bonuses, and, and, and.
Thats why I trained Gallente, as well. Its pretty pathetic that an entire facet of the game is unrealistic for an entire race.
Caldari is great of PVE, Gallente is great for PVP. Thats a fact. That will never change, as evidenced by CCP sending Caldari father from PVP and damaging our PVE ability with the proposed passive shield nerf.
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari
United Society Starfleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.15 17:40:00 -
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caldari can so solo pvp, vs other caldari and since its the most common race should be plenty of targets around.
drake vs drake afk 1 vs 1 is so sexy
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
To state the obvious
i think that is the problem with this thread
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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:10:00 -
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Yea, a cookie would be nice.
But I'm serious.
So you guys know of a low slot scram or web or ECM or damp or etc etc??
Shield tanks are strong but cap intensive (opps there goes a mid slot for a cap injector) and weak unless you use some hardners (so thats like one EM plus a thermal, plus Invul field). Need a quick lock so a sensor booster, maybe. And passive tanking is like so soon to be yesterday, man!
Oh, you may say, theres room for rigs. Fair enough.
But I am very serious, a Caldari ship cannot do the Swiss Army Knife thing very well at all, so we need someone along to tackle for us if were going to tank the damage.
That's all I'm saying.
And wouldn't a low slot tackle module be interesting at least?
I still approve of this message.
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Corwain
Gallente
Zero Team
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Corwain on 15/05/2007 18:21:46
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Caldari is great of PVE, Gallente is great for PVP. Thats a fact. That will never change,
You must not have played this game for very long...
I remember back when I started playing Caldari were best at PvP before their missiles got the nerfbat. Before even that Amarr were the best due to no stacking penalty on damage mods and their abundance of loslots. Oh, and before the first speednerf multiple MWD Ravens were the only ship that PvPers flew...
Gallente might be good right now, but I wouldn't say they're the best, I'd say either Gallente=Minmatar or Minmatar>Gallente. Of course they're both currently superior to Amarr and Caldari for SOLO PvP. For gangs though I'd say Caldari are just as good as any race but Amarr.
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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:25:00 -
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I would like to point out there is a mid slot and low slot module that does the same job of "shield power relay". I believe there's a mid slot equivilant of CPR. So why not scram and web low slot modules?
Any objections to this idea from you armor tankers. Seriously.
Ok, maybe message falling on deaf ears.
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Theo Ramone
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:27:00 -
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Simple fix?
Race specific PVP modules. A Calradi only low slot webber and scrammmer.
Problem solved. Now everyone can shoot, web and tank all at the same time.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
I would like to point out there is a mid slot and low slot module that does the same job of "shield power relay". I believe there's a mid slot equivilant of CPR. So why not scram and web low slot modules?
Any objections to this idea from you armor tankers. Seriously.
Ok, maybe message falling on deaf ears.
What about a low slot module for boosting the amount armour reps rep, or a passive multi resist sheild hardener, or an active mutli resist armour hardener, or med slot signal distortian amps, or low slots ECM/TD's/damps.
Originally by: Theo Ramone
Simple fix?
Race specific PVP modules. A Calradi only low slot webber and scrammmer.
Problem solved. Now everyone can shoot, web and tank all at the same time.
No, partly for the same reasons as above. Apart from antyhing picture a raven with 2 large NOS, 6 seige launchers, MWD, 5x ECM/3 damps and some target painters, 2 x RCU's tackling gear and an BCU/signal distortion amp.
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JoCool
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:49:00 -
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It would be the modern Spartan.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.15 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Edited by: Corwain on 15/05/2007 18:21:46
Originally by: AegriSomnia
Caldari is great of PVE, Gallente is great for PVP. Thats a fact. That will never change,
You must not have played this game for very long...
I remember back when I started playing Caldari were best at PvP before their missiles got the nerfbat. Before even that Amarr were the best due to no stacking penalty on damage mods and their abundance of loslots. Oh, and before the first speednerf multiple MWD Ravens were the only ship that PvPers flew...
Gallente might be good right now, but I wouldn't say they're the best, I'd say either Gallente=Minmatar or Minmatar>Gallente. Of course they're both currently superior to Amarr and Caldari for SOLO PvP. For gangs though I'd say Caldari are just as good as any race but Amarr.
If by "very long", you mean as long as you, it sounds like the answer is "no". But. I've been playing long enough to have an opinion.
The reason why I say this will never change is because it seems like the answer to all balance issues or whatever is NERF. Amarr has been nerfed in oblivion, Caldari is being nerfed in to oblivion, and Gallente remains untouched. Name something Gallente that has gotten nerfed, O' Aged One.
Caldari are great support ships in gangs. Ravens are good for adding DPS to the gang with torps and Scorps/Rattlesnakes are fearsome EWar ships. But aside from that, the other races you mentioned (Gallente/Matar) outperform Caldari in all other ship classes for all other roles. Oh wait. I forgot the Charon. Caldari have the biggest freighter.
I give the edge to Gallente due to superior armor tank over Matar and superior drone skills to Matar.
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Igualmentedos
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:04:00 -
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I've noticed that too. Gallente is never ever touched. When is the last time they got nerfed? And how is the drake passive tanking a higher priority fix than the myrm and domi?
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
I would like to point out there is a mid slot and low slot module that does the same job of "shield power relay". I believe there's a mid slot equivilant of CPR. So why not scram and web low slot modules?
Any objections to this idea from you armor tankers. Seriously.
Ok, maybe message falling on deaf ears.
Boohoo. As armor tanker I have to sacrifice tank for a reasonable damage output. Wheres the difference? Let's just make a low, hi and med slot version of every module thats out there and totally diminish all differences beetween races and screw the whole system up! Yeah, i can see it now!
Give us a low slot cap injector and low slot ewar. Amarr will be teh new ****. Or mhhh let's not? 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Igualmentedos
I've noticed that too. Gallente is never ever touched. When is the last time they got nerfed? And how is the drake passive tanking a higher priority fix than the myrm and domi?
Well, they did nearly get a 'thermal drone damage bonus' on the domi.
Then they all cried, so that went away 
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Tibrius Archer
Kurai-Komichi
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.15 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Theo Ramone
Simple fix?
Race specific PVP modules. A Calradi only low slot webber and scrammmer.
Problem solved. Now everyone can shoot, web and tank all at the same time.
I am going to right a post soon about caldari flyers and there penial gun envy.
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AnKahn
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:16:00 -
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Yes to all.
Yea this was flambait because I was bored at work.
Yes Im very noob (and therefore probably should not be allowed to have the keys to a BS yet).
And yes, low slot tackle gear would be scary. But when was the last time any of you were SCARED of a Caldari ship?
I wrote this message.
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Valandril
Caldari
Reiketsu.
Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:18:00 -
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Its a templar, amarr fighter used by carriers.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: AegriSomnia
The reason why I say this will never change is because it seems like the answer to all balance issues or whatever is NERF. Amarr has been nerfed in oblivion, Caldari is being nerfed in to oblivion, and Gallente remains untouched. Name something Gallente that has gotten nerfed, O' Aged One.
Erm...
My Thorax has five highslots, one less than other Tier 3 cruisers in order to compensate for its 200m3 drone bay, which would be a 100m3 drone bay today... Except that it's a 50m3 drone bay...
My Domi would have been able to field fifteen heavy drones, my Vexor fifteen mediums, my Imicus six lights.
I'm told that back in the early days the Thorax actually had two bonuses - with shortrange ships the MWD was always an essential module, in the early days they were huge afterburners, these days they kill your cap in the process.
It should also be noted that a Raven is quite capable of Armour tanking and EWaring the mids and that Shield Tanking is more than capable on a slot for slot basis of being more efficient, both in terms of HP/unit cap and in terms of HP/sec, than Armour Tanking.
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Liang Nuren
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.15 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
And yes, low slot tackle gear would be scary. But when was the last time any of you were SCARED of a Caldari ship?
Last night. Its the player behind the ship more than the ship that should scare anyone.
Liang
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.15 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Holland
Originally by: AegriSomnia
The reason why I say this will never change is because it seems like the answer to all balance issues or whatever is NERF. Amarr has been nerfed in oblivion, Caldari is being nerfed in to oblivion, and Gallente remains untouched. Name something Gallente that has gotten nerfed, O' Aged One.
Erm...
My Thorax has five highslots, one less than other Tier 3 cruisers in order to compensate for its 200m3 drone bay, which would be a 100m3 drone bay today... Except that it's a 50m3 drone bay...
My Domi would have been able to field fifteen heavy drones, my Vexor fifteen mediums, my Imicus six lights.
I'm told that back in the early days the Thorax actually had two bonuses - with shortrange ships the MWD was always an essential module, in the early days they were huge afterburners, these days they kill your cap in the process.
It should also be noted that a Raven is quite capable of Armour tanking and EWaring the mids and that Shield Tanking is more than capable on a slot for slot basis of being more efficient, both in terms of HP/unit cap and in terms of HP/sec, than Armour Tanking.
Again, I havent been around long enough to deliberate over the changes that happened more than 6 months ago. If your point is to show how the drone bay on Gallente ships got the NERF, then point taken.
"Quite" capable armor tank is another way of saying "It Stinks". Dont try to sell me, friend, I've heard it all. Why whould you armor tank when all of your damage mods are low slot as well? Armor tanking in a Raven may be feasable, but the end result does not justify it, IMO.
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jilahed
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Posted - 2007.05.15 21:52:00 -
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Errm. Drone bays were nerfed? The person who said that must have missed the respective buff to drone damage. Drone Interfacing anyone? Drone dmg/hp bonus on drone ships instead of +1 drone controlled anyone? Sorry, but if you refer to the deep past please elaborate all details!
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General Apocolypse
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Posted - 2007.05.15 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: AnKahn
Yes to all.
And yes, low slot tackle gear would be scary. But when was the last time any of you were SCARED of a Caldari ship?
I wrote this message.
Its easy to talk tough when sat behind your PC safe outside of low sec, you'll **** yourself when im ramming missile down your throat while my buddy keeps you locked in position with his scorpion
As stated in a previous post, Caldari ships are support class ships, they work most effective alongside another ship.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.15 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: AegriSomnia on 15/05/2007 22:30:24
Originally by: General Apocolypse
Originally by: AnKahn
Yes to all.
And yes, low slot tackle gear would be scary. But when was the last time any of you were SCARED of a Caldari ship?
I wrote this message.
Its easy to talk tough when sat behind your PC safe outside of low sec, you'll **** yourself when im ramming missile down your throat while my buddy keeps you locked in position with his scorpion
As stated in a previous post, Caldari ships are support class ships, they work most effective alongside another ship.
YESSIR!!! You win this thread. You hit the nail on the head. Caldari are good support vessles, great support ships, especially the Raven and Scorpion/Rattlesnake, like I said.
But the point of this thread is how much Caldari suck at solo pvp.
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: AegriSomnia
Edited by: AegriSomnia on 15/05/2007 22:30:24
Originally by: General Apocolypse
Originally by: AnKahn
Yes to all.
And yes, low slot tackle gear would be scary. But when was the last time any of you were SCARED of a Caldari ship?
I wrote this message.
Its easy to talk tough when sat behind your PC safe outside of low sec, you'll **** yourself when im ramming missile down your throat while my buddy keeps you locked in position with his scorpion
As stated in a previous post, Caldari ships are support class ships, they work most effective alongside another ship.
YESSIR!!! You win this thread. You hit the nail on the head. Caldari are good support vessles, great support ships, especially the Raven and Scorpion/Rattlesnake, like I said.
But the point of this thread is how much Caldari suck at solo pvp.
I demand that gallente blaster boats get a speed/range boost so that they can be good at large gang warfare.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:45:00 -
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its called a railgun
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Morreia
The Celestial Element
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Posted - 2007.05.16 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dread Phantom
its called a railgun
You seemed to have slightly missed the point of my post.
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