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Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.06.01 06:53:06 -
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Can we put a 'fixed' civilian railgun on every logi hull so we can get on KMs? Pls pls? |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2017.06.01 06:59:42 -
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Better solution: stop caring about killmails. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
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Posted - 2017.06.01 07:50:46 -
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Or use a drone. |
Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.06.01 07:53:34 -
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Do Little wrote:Or use a drone.
That doesn't always work. Control range, travel time, etc. |
Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.06.01 08:08:25 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Better solution: stop caring about killmails.
Thank you troll. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.01 12:23:49 -
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Kassimila wrote:Can we put a 'fixed' civilian railgun on every logi hull so we can get on KMs? Pls pls?
Why do you need to be on killmails? |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.06.01 14:38:43 -
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Kassimila wrote:Can we put a 'fixed' civilian railgun on every logi hull so we can get on KMs? Pls pls?
NO.
Your job is to protect those in your fleet, if you want to shoot stuff and have a kill board then change to DPS.
Kassimila wrote:Do Little wrote:Or use a drone. That doesn't always work. Control range, travel time, etc.
I agree with you here but not because of the reasons you state.
If you are not using rep or ewar drones then you are not doing everything you can to aide the DPS ships in your fleet and that makes you a failure as a logi pilot in my book. To restate from above your job is to aide those in your fleet who are responsible for DPS you are not supposed to provide DPS.
Frostys Virpio wrote:Kassimila wrote:Can we put a 'fixed' civilian railgun on every logi hull so we can get on KMs? Pls pls? Why do you need to be on killmails?
My thoughts precisely, as logi your rewards come from other sources.
I have earned the trust and respect of every DPS pilot I have ever flown with and I am well compensated as a result of that. Some of that compensation comes as ISK, ships and other in game related stuff, part of it comes in real life things like gift certificates, cases of beer and of course the food of the gods PIZZA. When we as logi pilots can have all of this why do we need a stupid kill board?
So I end where I started NO to you and this crazy idea of needing to be on kill mails simply because you are a logi pilot.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.06.01 20:41:19 -
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.... its sad how much you care about KM. generally as a logi you don't want to be on the report at all.
BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
21470
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:00:33 -
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Kassimila wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Better solution: stop caring about killmails. Thank you troll.
No, you're logi, killmails should be the last thing on your mind .
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
3941
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:05:03 -
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Nothing stopping you generating millions of your own by unpacking and repackaging noob frigs and then fitting them.
Just remember to tell your gang that you are dropping a repper for a whore mod and spending your limited number of locked targets on getting kill mails.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
1225
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Posted - 2017.06.02 00:19:07 -
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Why do you care about killmails? If anything we need to get rid of killmails to improve the game. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
377
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Posted - 2017.06.02 01:26:52 -
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Hmmm, you wouldnt happen to come from WoW would you?
I hear over there the healers are multispecd now, meaning they heal others according to how much DMG on target they are doing. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1196
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Posted - 2017.06.02 01:48:47 -
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pathetic
You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear
Because >>I is too hard
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Marika Sunji
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
24
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Posted - 2017.06.02 09:59:14 -
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What I would love to see would be logi and links appearing on blue lossmails with amount repped. Would let me feel more pride in actually doing my job. |
Tabyll Altol
Steel Fury.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2017.06.02 11:33:37 -
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Kassimila wrote:Can we put a 'fixed' civilian railgun on every logi hull so we can get on KMs? Pls pls?
You still have times to shoot stuff and rep everybody in time.
Nice job, but then just sacrifice some highslot for this or a med-slot for a tp.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
3367
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Posted - 2017.06.02 14:02:46 -
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Max Deveron wrote:Hmmm, you wouldnt happen to come from WoW would you?
I hear over there the healers are multispecd now, meaning they heal others according to how much DMG on target they are doing.
One healing spec works like that and it happen to be a clusterfuck to play on top of being awful when the going get rough. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
The Bastard Cartel
1707
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Posted - 2017.06.02 19:25:02 -
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Kassimila wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Better solution: stop caring about killmails. Thank you troll.
It's not a troll. It is a solution to your "problem". Logi doesn't exist to kill things - it exists to save your fleet from dying. If you want to get on KMs don't fly logi.
Sarcasm aside, kill mails really are the problem. Which do you care about more?
1. Winning the fight or accomplishing the objective, or
2. applying an epeen stroker to some website?
If the answer is two, just park yourself on a lowsec gate in a smart bombing proteus. You'll get plenty of killmails.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
40
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Posted - 2017.06.03 05:10:06 -
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Elenahina wrote:Kassimila wrote:Merin Ryskin wrote:Better solution: stop caring about killmails. Thank you troll. It's not a troll. It is a solution to your "problem". Logi doesn't exist to kill things - it exists to save your fleet from dying. If you want to get on KMs don't fly logi. Sarcasm aside, kill mails really are the problem. Which do you care about more? 1. Winning the fight or accomplishing the objective, or 2. applying an epeen stroker to some website? If the answer is two, just park yourself on a lowsec gate in a smart bombing proteus. You'll get plenty of killmails.
Well let me answer your questions. First let me say that I really like flying logi, and fly it pretty much 100% of the time in fleets. I'd love to be able to just do my job, repair people, and get on the KMs. People have been requesting that for a decade, yet it hasn't been done. I was trying to think of a simple solution that could be coded in a week to help logi out.
To the people that said 'well you job is to rep'. I'm sorry you can only focus on one thing at a time in a fleet fight. I'm able to both repair the people that need it and follow the primary calls with a bouncer. As I stated before however, drone control range, warping around, etc makes using that drone and staying mobile an issue.
Why do I care about killmails? The same reasons everyone else does. It shows participation. I get the loss mail when I die in a logi, I was there doing my job, why do I only get the negative half? Most major alliances use the killboards to show fleet participation. Can you really not see that? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.06.03 05:15:59 -
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A. if you want to do DPS and logi use a T3
B. any time you are a dedicated logi ship and you are thinking of locking and shooting the primary you only open yourself up to a mistake of shooting a friendly or repping an enemy. It doesn't matter how good you are. No one wants a logi in their fleet more focused on KMs than keeping the fleet alive.
C. leave any alliance that is focused on KBs it will cause you yourself to become to focused on KBs. any of the major alliances i have been in only us KBs to asses fleet participation if they have noticed you have been missing from coms/chat/fleets in order to confirm not as a primary method. If you are as dedicated a logi and any good at it then they notice when you are there
BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
377
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Posted - 2017.06.03 05:17:00 -
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what is with this person?
Back in the old days logi trying to whore on KM's got blapped by the fleet survivors or if the enemy got them simply was not given SRP. |
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Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
40
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Posted - 2017.06.03 05:50:24 -
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Max Deveron wrote:what is with this person?
Back in the old days logi trying to whore on KM's got blapped by the fleet survivors or if the enemy got them simply was not given SRP.
I'll take things that didn't happen for 200 Alex. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
434
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Posted - 2017.06.03 08:02:01 -
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Kassimila wrote:People have been requesting that for a decade, yet it hasn't been done.
People have been proposing all kinds of bad ideas for a long time. Proposing something for a long time doesn't mean that CCP needs to include it, especially when "ignore killmails" is a much better solution.
Quote:To the people that said 'well you job is to rep'. I'm sorry you can only focus on one thing at a time in a fleet fight.
It's not about focus, it's about fitting. All of your high slots should be repair/cap modules. All of your drones should be repair drones. If you are fitting offensive weapons just to get onto killmails then you're a **** logi pilot. Stop putting your ego over the success of your fleet and do your job correctly.
Quote:Why do I care about killmails? The same reasons everyone else does. It shows participation. I get the loss mail when I die in a logi, I was there doing my job, why do I only get the negative half? Most major alliances use the killboards to show fleet participation. Can you really not see that?
I know why you care about killmails, I'm telling you that the game is much more fun when you ignore them. Stop worrying about getting credit for being in a fight and start worrying about winning that fight, and having fun doing it. EVE is much more enjoyable when you don't obsess over how any possible action might impact your killboard stats.
And, as has been mentioned, an alliance that only looks at killboards and doesn't recognize the contributions of their logi pilots just because they don't appear in killboard stats is a garbage-tier waste of server space. Get out of that alliance and find better people to fly with. |
Kassimila
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
40
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Posted - 2017.06.03 08:55:18 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Kassimila wrote:People have been requesting that for a decade, yet it hasn't been done. People have been proposing all kinds of bad ideas for a long time. Proposing something for a long time doesn't mean that CCP needs to include it, especially when "ignore killmails" is a much better solution. Quote:To the people that said 'well you job is to rep'. I'm sorry you can only focus on one thing at a time in a fleet fight. It's not about focus, it's about fitting. All of your high slots should be repair/cap modules. All of your drones should be repair drones. If you are fitting offensive weapons just to get onto killmails then you're a **** logi pilot. Stop putting your ego over the success of your fleet and do your job correctly. Quote:Why do I care about killmails? The same reasons everyone else does. It shows participation. I get the loss mail when I die in a logi, I was there doing my job, why do I only get the negative half? Most major alliances use the killboards to show fleet participation. Can you really not see that? I know why you care about killmails, I'm telling you that the game is much more fun when you ignore them. Stop worrying about getting credit for being in a fight and start worrying about winning that fight, and having fun doing it. EVE is much more enjoyable when you don't obsess over how any possible action might impact your killboard stats. And, as has been mentioned, an alliance that only looks at killboards and doesn't recognize the contributions of their logi pilots just because they don't appear in killboard stats is a garbage-tier waste of server space. Get out of that alliance and find better people to fly with.
What exactly are you fighting here, how does a logi getting a killmail for participating in the kill negatively impact your gameplay?
About the fitting? My post is literally about adding a permanent civilian railgun to all logi so they can tag onto kill mails. It has ZERO impact on current fits.
It sounds like you just want to argue with someone over the internet. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5542
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Posted - 2017.06.03 10:03:35 -
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Kassimila wrote:Max Deveron wrote:what is with this person?
Back in the old days logi trying to whore on KM's got blapped by the fleet survivors or if the enemy got them simply was not given SRP. I'll take things that didn't happen for 200 Alex.
No SRP for fitting guns on your logi has been GSF policy for several years, so you'd be wrong there friend.
If you're a logi pilot, and your attention is split between helping your friends and whoring on killmails, you're nbot an effective logi pilot. If you have dropped a rep for a gun just to whore on killmails, the fleet would be better off without you.
You're there to rep things. Assign a drone to a tacklefrig if you're desperate for KMs, don't gimp yourself because MUH KILLBOARD.
(Actually, please do. And get all your friends to do the same. Then fight someone with an actual dedicated logi wing and see how you do.) |
Marika Sunji
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
25
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Posted - 2017.06.03 11:16:02 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Kassimila wrote:People have been requesting that for a decade, yet it hasn't been done. People have been proposing all kinds of bad ideas for a long time. Proposing something for a long time doesn't mean that CCP needs to include it, especially when "ignore killmails" is a much better solution. Quote:To the people that said 'well you job is to rep'. I'm sorry you can only focus on one thing at a time in a fleet fight. It's not about focus, it's about fitting. All of your high slots should be repair/cap modules. All of your drones should be repair drones. If you are fitting offensive weapons just to get onto killmails then you're a **** logi pilot. Stop putting your ego over the success of your fleet and do your job correctly. Quote:Why do I care about killmails? The same reasons everyone else does. It shows participation. I get the loss mail when I die in a logi, I was there doing my job, why do I only get the negative half? Most major alliances use the killboards to show fleet participation. Can you really not see that? I know why you care about killmails, I'm telling you that the game is much more fun when you ignore them. Stop worrying about getting credit for being in a fight and start worrying about winning that fight, and having fun doing it. EVE is much more enjoyable when you don't obsess over how any possible action might impact your killboard stats. And, as has been mentioned, an alliance that only looks at killboards and doesn't recognize the contributions of their logi pilots just because they don't appear in killboard stats is a garbage-tier waste of server space. Get out of that alliance and find better people to fly with.
I agree with the sentiment if not the details. I like to run warriors on basis and ec-300s on scythes, first to go grrr ceptors and second to disrupt the enemy logi. Frankly I feel that you need to be able to at least field a flight of medium for it to be worth it against the close-range defense provided by assisted light combat drones.
Also, about removing killmails - the people who care about them to the exclusion of other things (like their own alliance), aren't, in my opinion, going to suddenly go "I was wrong the whole time" and give a damn.
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