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Meek also	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:23:00 - [1] From last week. "Giving away your username and password is done at your own risk. Resulting damages cannot be made good by Customer Support" today: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." PLEASE GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT! Is is an EULA violation, resulting in a BAN, or is it done at your own risk?!?! As with most decisions that are made.. I don't truly care which way it goes, as long as it is consistent. Please have a meeting and decide just how you want to present the information, and then stick to your guns.. This also applies to other decisions that are made regarding exploits, questionable behavior, rulings. Thanks - Meek
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:25:00 - [2] ccp == awesome ccp != consistent fact of the universe Recruiting Terrorists
Meek also	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:31:00 - [3] Don't get me wrong, I love playing. I do enjoy the game.. but when people do crap like this.. I tend to hold them to one of their statements, depending on the mood I am in. By posting as their MOTD two conflicting messages, they have weakened their position and that is not good. I'm trying to help them so they don't continue to do this. Granted, I'm not holding my breath.
Alrich	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:34:00 - [4] Edited by: Alrich on 16/05/2007 14:33:13 it is at your own risk... you risk to be banned for EULA-violation i do not see the big conflict
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/05/2007 14:41:12 Personally I think they changed the first message since there was a few posts about people not understanding what the first message meant. And now people are complaining about that too. :) I love these forums. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
William Beaujeu	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:45:00 - [6] The only confict i can see is whether or not I get KFC on the way home. As above, it is very simple. Don't give away your details, if you do you COULD be banned. If you access someone elses acc you COULD be banned. Its your choice, your life, your mess. My other alt is rude.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.05.16 14:59:00 - [7] This is nothing compared to the warning CCP issued to everybody that some person had released a macro program with a keylogger in it. If you want mixed signals, there you go. Eve: Cheats prosper.
Lord Matrix PBA Corporation	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:08:00 - [8] Quote: "Giving away your username and password is done at your own risk" This is for 3rd party applications that download your character's skill tree (XML file) like EVEmon. Quote: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." This is when you give your account details to your corpmate or a friend. This is very popular with cynonets and carrier pilots.
Crusix Bargoth Amarr Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Crusix Bargoth on 16/05/2007 15:07:35 Originally by: Meek also From last week. "Giving away your username and password is done at your own risk. Resulting damages cannot be made good by Customer Support" today: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." PLEASE GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT! Is is an EULA violation, resulting in a BAN, or is it done at your own risk?!?! As with most decisions that are made.. I don't truly care which way it goes, as long as it is consistent. Please have a meeting and decide just how you want to present the information, and then stick to your guns.. This also applies to other decisions that are made regarding exploits, questionable behavior, rulings. Thanks - Meek Pretty sure your getting all riled up over something that doesn't matter. Never heard anyone posting about the clients MOTD...Just don't give up your acct info, thats what they are saying, putting the fear of CCP in you! Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar nerf ponies!!1one
Ilea Celentay Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:11:00 - [10] Originally by: William Beaujeu The only confict i can see is whether or not I get KFC on the way home. As above, it is very simple. Don't give away your details, if you do you COULD be banned. If you access someone elses acc you COULD be banned. Its your choice, your life, your mess. My other alt is rude. hehe! Anyway; I don't see the confusion here. First they tell you that if you do, and things go wrong CS will not refund your stolen ISKies etc, etc. The second clearly states that doing so it against the rules. I can't see what you find it so hard to understand, its not like one is saying you Can and the other you can't. Assuming (like all of us ofc) you read the EULA, you wouldn't get confused with either message. Faction Ship Info \|\| Rig Factory
w0rmy Pringles Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Lord Matrix Quote: "Giving away your username and password is done at your own risk" This is for 3rd party applications that download your character's skill tree (XML file) like EVEmon. Quote: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." This is when you give your account details to your corpmate or a friend. This is very popular with cynonets and carrier pilots. Exactly what he said, from the EULA: B. Passwords and Names You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVEÖ. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. You will be assigned a login name and a character name during the registration and character creation process. You may not allow anyone to use your login name or character name to access the System or play EVEÖ. No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or character name of anyone else. CCP's MOTD just addressed these two different points, neither contradict the other. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.16 15:49:00 - [12] just because soemthings an eula violation does'nt mean its auto ban. the 2 messages are ok, the first justs ays its at your own risk if you share and your robbed, t he second tells youits also an eula violationso of it happens and your robbed and they don;nt ban you you won;nt get your stuff back either. Join The Fight With Promo Today
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:37:00 - [13] MOTD should be eve is currently lagged and playing could result in ship loss, if u log in at the moment the game is not able to handle youre clientish, we advice caution and any losses are not able to be petitioned
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Matrix Quote: "Giving away your username and password is done at your own risk" This is for 3rd party applications that download your character's skill tree (XML file) like EVEmon. Quote: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." This is when you give your account details to your corpmate or a friend. This is very popular with cynonets and carrier pilots. Quoted for truth and for those ******s that need to be told something 3 times before it starts to sink in. good game
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:42:00 - [15] Account username and password is not stored in the character xml file that EveMon uses. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Meek also today: "Sharing your account details is a EULA violation. Accessing another persons account is also a EULA violation." PLEASE GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT! Is is an EULA violation, resulting in a BAN, or is it done at your own risk?!?! Both. One is a reminder that the GMs cannot and will not help you if your account gets "hacked", second is a reminder that it is not allowed to share your login details. That is my understanding of it, anyway. ------------------------- Sigs are for noobs.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:45:00 - [17] instead of lag they are focusing on account sharing atm ( common CCP focus on right prioritieis first please)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Callthetruth instead of lag they are focusing on account sharing atm ( common CCP focus on right prioritieis first please) 100 people can do more than one thing at once. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:49:00 - [19] it should be at your own risk. CCP design a game where sharing accounts in some rare cases is necessary, you can't design a game like this and then make a rule against account sharing imo
Seppel da'FinNI Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim McGregor Account username and password is not stored in the character xml file that EveMon uses. but username and password is needed to obtain the xml file evemon uses. life's a game - sometimes you loose, most times others win.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:51:00 - [21] just ban mainland chinesse IPs that will remove the farmers hence removing the lag in mission systems
Jaffa Agonar Minmatar Mithril Inc	Posted - 2007.05.16 16:57:00 - [22] Edited by: Jaffa Agonar on 16/05/2007 17:02:58 Originally by: Callthetruth just ban mainland chinesse IPs that will remove the farmers hence removing the lag in mission systems Your lack of spelling Chinese correctly, compounded by your targeting a group of people in a post totally irrelevant (and supported with pure speculation) to this thread speaks volumes of your bigotry. Well played.
smashsmash	Posted - 2007.05.16 17:18:00 - [23] this thread is now about spinach quiche
Thommy	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:30:00 - [24] What about: c. EVE Online subscribers are responsible for protecting the confidentiality of their account information. Any authorized use of a subscriberÆs account by another individual is the responsibility of the account holder. The subscriber is responsible for the behavior of others who are permitted to use his or her account. Therefore, account holders are strongly urged not to share accounts or account information with others. Doesn't actually say it is a violation to actually share your account just that any reprocussions are for the original account holder. Also see this link Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Thommy What about: c. EVE Online subscribers are responsible for protecting the confidentiality of their account information. Any authorized use of a subscriberÆs account by another individual is the responsibility of the account holder. The subscriber is responsible for the behavior of others who are permitted to use his or her account. Therefore, account holders are strongly urged not to share accounts or account information with others. Doesn't actually say it is a violation to actually share your account just that any reprocussions are for the original account holder. Also see this link Still no conflict. Authorized access would be, for example, a minor playing on an account paid for (and thus owned by) their parents. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:39:00 - [26] I have a great MOTD: "If you are having problems logging in, you might want to subscribe."
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Alrich Edited by: Alrich on 16/05/2007 14:33:13 it is at your own risk... you risk to be banned for EULA-violation i do not see the big conflict I pretty much tried to point that out to the last person that asked about the MOTD. ----------------------------------------------- "And I scream in a thousand voices!"
Thommy	Posted - 2007.05.16 18:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Thommy cropped Still no conflict. Authorized access would be, for example, a minor playing on an account paid for (and thus owned by) their parents. Yes i meant this as a substitude rather then involveing into the discussion of being banned or not. If i understand this right you can share your account but incase someone else runs off with your goods that means you dont have any chance of getting it back. If it should be "when you share your account with someone else you risk actually being banned" then ccp / gm's should make this very clear. Instead there are things being said that could be interpreted differently by anyone to worst case scenario's (ban) or just the consequence will be yours and ccp will make no refund. This is what is actually causing the confussion here (the many ways this can be interpretted). Guide to fix eve problems. Cleanup your cache with my cache tool
Erim Solfara Amarr Tarlos INC	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:18:00 - [29] I'd go with Thommy's suggestion. A girlfriend's PC is down, she can't play eve, but doesn't want to lose valuable training time. Do I a) say tough **** and not do anything because I'd be violating the EULA or b) log onto her account once a week and set skills training for her, thus being a considerate and caring boyfriend? New ship class
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.16 19:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Erim Solfara A girlfriend's PC is down, she can't play eve, but doesn't want to lose valuable training time. Do I a) say tough **** and not do anything because I'd be violating the EULA or b) log onto her account once a week and set skills training for her, thus being a considerate and caring boyfriend? Depends on what you get for it WELL someone had to say it!

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