Dreads should be cheaper. SBs cost the same as t2 frigs, while killing BS 2 sizes up. Dreads should cost the same as HACs, while killing caps 2 sizes up. Oh, and give them covops, remove siege penalties.

Stop being space poor.

edit: wtf fielding one dread you have no idea what dreads are actually used for do you?

what you want are battleships...they already exist

Complains about dreads costing too much.

Claims isn't poor.

I would consider "me plus nine buddies" a "handful". 10 blaster/pulse/ac fit BS (or hell, Tier3 BC) ships will spank said dread, and still have the ability to GTFO if someone lights a cyno.

Why are you *anywhere* in empire where your dread(s) aren't in jumprange of your POS?

edit cuz i suck at quoting tonight

How much does a bhaalgorn cost, and how efficient is it at neuting vs, say, a domi?

I love the idea. For one, there is almost no use for Advanced Spaceship Command except as a requirement for Capital ships, almost no ships need ASC but not capital ships.

Also, you could have them be a tier 4 BS or a new class all together, but you could have them fit 4-6 regular large guns and 1 XL turret. (mainly because I think it would look badass) This would give them some feasibility as a standard slow/tanky battleship but also keep them from being an overwhelming dps ship that is used solely for ganking. The XL turret would be near useless while moving anyway. You could enable the siege module to keep it engaged and using the single XL turret for siege engagements, and it would also make it super vulnerable to counter attacks, as they probably should be.

Think, the siege tanks from Starcraft, in theory.

Why I love this idea: It enables more small gang sov warfare, and you would no longer need an entire cap fleet just to take and hold a system, thus letting smaller gangs start claiming their own little pockets of space. More conflict over territory = more change for PVP. When everyone is in giant alliances that are blue to each other, there is very little pvp going on.

Pricing from 4-600m, so that having 3 would equal the dps/cost of a dread, but not the sheer dps or jump ability. It allows for a more gradual jump into dreads, and cap ships. So you wouldn't need to train up a dozen cap skills just to enter your first one.

Oooo oooo!!! Question!!

What's to stop a 500 man alliance from fielding 500 of these "more versatile" Tech 3 battleships that deal damage similar to a dreadnought but are more mobile, cheaper, and possess less logistical hassles than a dreadnought? Hell... why buy/field a dreadnought at all when you have a more mobile, cheaper, and less logistically clumsy ships at the cost of only half the DPS?

Mini dreads would be bad as they would be mass spammed by larger alliances. A fleet of 1000+ 400 mil minidreads is something you would see the larger alliances fielding. Dreads as they stand are vulnerable to many things, and it is good that it is this way.

Right now, hisec POS bashing is irrelevant (because it's impossible) due to the DecShield mechanic.

If you can field the numbers, SBs will field the DPS of a dread fleet for much less isk, risk, and logistical hassle. If you can field the Isk, a small (full sized)Dread fleet will do that job. If you can't field those numbers or that Isk, you'll just have to spend the time. Right now POS bashing is a Numbers-Isk-Time triangle.

You can have it done fast, cheap, or with little manpower, pick 2.

If the enemy can kill or drive you off before you've spent enough time, welp, guess you picked the wrong fight.

It takes a single dread, 1 hour, to re-enforce a small tower, that's being sieged the entire time too.

And you want a minidread?

If you cannot afford a dread, then i suggest you stay the hell away from 0.0 space.

EDIT: Oh, I remember. The T3 BCs weren't introduced because another ship was starting to get really expensive, and thus some people couldn't hack it and wanted an el-cheapo version.

If you do not have a required combination of time, isk, and numbers, you don't get to take down a POS or other structure. It's that simple.

Eve does not have a sliding scale for combat. You either win, or you loose. Nobody cares how you didn't have enough people to win, that's your failure to recruit.

Hisec puts limits on the amount of Isk you can field in order to protect people. It makes up for this by making it much easier to field more numbers for longer.

You seem to be laboring under the delusion that a DickStar shouldn't make you want to punch yourself in the Dick when you need to blow it up. It's set up entirely to be such a pain as to be not worth shooting, and you're complaining that you're not willing to field the numbers for the time it takes to shoot?

I've RFed Large towers with ~30 bombers before. It sucks. Nobody likes to do it. You choose to play where ~1000 dps is the maximum a single character can field, that's your choice. Don't come whining to the forums that the job takes longer.

So you're saying it's already possible? Then why do you need a new ship?

And the difference between 20 people and 100 people is 80 people.

Thus far, the main assumed positive to come out of this that I've seen is we'll get something to make hisec POS bashing easier. My main reservation is that it might make dreads less desired, and they've already been marginalized for 2 years due to the supercaps buff. I've no idea if they're "back in fashion" with the slew of changes crucible brought to both them and supercaps, but I'm fearing that making a subcap that's fairly close to a sieged dread (I call half the dps fairly close) without the hefty skill requirements that comes with going for capitals, will also marginalize the dreads.

Me too! I kinda want this sorta thing that has a whatsit and the thing may or may not do something when a battleship is there for like the ding-a-ma-jig which finds out the thing-a-ma-bob has a something or other when it flies near that other thing.

And capital weapons.

And Jump Skills.

15d Warp Drive 5 (I'm not sure how many subcap pilots ever train that)

20-25d JDO 1-5

10-15d JFC 1-4

10-15d(45d) JDC 1-4(5)

That's a significant amount of time.

...all but the same training for dread except the nav skills for cyno jumping.

Says who? There are quite a few various things you can do to "bash subcaps", which involves "other subcaps" or even "titans".

Can't beat Dreads in equal numbers. Bashes Subcaps. Ok, that would be low DPS, High Tracking. Sounds a lot like an 8 Gun Battleship.

If it were a Cap, you really think someone would Siege a dread on it? No, you call in your Supers.

SuperCapitals Bash Supers and Caps. (With the Help of Subcap Support. Gotta Bubble)

For Shame, OP. Taking the cowardly way out by deleting your idea. Terrible as it was, y u no conviction?