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Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.10 10:55:17 -
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Dan Sever wrote:Zero Davahum wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6g99i4/unsub_if_you_want_ccp_to_listen
CCP does not care about player feedback, this is true with every business even outside of the video game industry.
The only time they will care about something they have done is if you, the player stop paying for subscriptions, stop buying PLEX and other currencies and stop playing EVE. CCP are much more likely to listen if the controversial change to gameplay causes a loss of profit.
Unless every single one of you who has compalined about these nerfs stop giving CCP money. CCP will not listen to anything you have to say, you are being ignored.
As much as it sucks, we have to relise that as true with every company, CCP cares about profit from their products and nothing more, if you don't like a change they make, stop giving them money, when CCP notices a massive drop in profits, then they will start to care about player feedback and start doing the things you wan't them to do so they can get profit back on track. I find it funny how few super pilots are desperately trying to make non-super pilots follow them in their protest against CCP taking their isk mountains.
Have you actually tried carrier/super ratting or are you just trying to be edgy? Unlike drone boats which scale quite well (especially in the north west with amazingly convenient rats) each player can fly a single super or carrier to rat in.
At least the nerf will not affect PvP as fighters are already worthless in TiDi. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.10 10:57:19 -
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Captain Wreck wrote: I find it funny that fielding a ship that's worth at least 25b when fitted (not even counting fighters) should not be able to make substantially more than a 100m ship. Also, makes TOTAL sense to balance capitals around PVE while affecting PVP capabilities.
There are no PvP capabilities, damn things just don't work in TiDi. Last time around the only way to fire a new volley (after the initial one) was to recall the fighters and then relaunch them, get one off then repeat. At least the MWD is stuck so they move back and forth reasonably fast. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.10 22:44:49 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:GROUND XERO wrote:So ccp is crying about iskies...
- where is most ratting? - who is using most ratting carriers and supers? - where is most mining? -where is most production? - oh where spawned the new titan thinngy (aka pirate faction Titan)?.,...
is it all in goon space?
Why not just nerf goons? Why doesn't the rest of Eve nerf goons? No better reason for conflict than goons destroying the economy?
Because this time around you don't have trillions of casino isk to pay for it all and we are dug in a lot better than we were in dek. However you are welcome to try. We could use some content at home. |
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Posted - 2017.06.11 07:40:22 -
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Crash 888 wrote:Hamasaki Cross wrote:All this said, I find CCP's strategy highly curious for a game that attracts zero new customers. (new accounts are redundant as people increase scale on existing accounts in the world's most multibox able game). Screw remaining cash cow customers who have given years of solid support in preference for.... I dunno what... bankruptcy? . CCP isn't going bankrupt, quite the opposite, they had record year in 2016. 30million USD capital they raised for VR was all paid back and then some, and that only from selling only 1 (rather unremarkable) VR pew pew game. Guess where their future is.
We have seen CCPs grand plans before. Provided VR does take off this time around it will be swamped by AAA titles that have exactly the same amount of complexity and longevity as CCPs VR crap. Which is to say some to none. They will just pushed out of the market just like what happened with dust.
EVE is making money because it is unique in the world. But CCP constantly wants to make generic games and hope that they will somehow succeed against huge corporations with competent marketing teams. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.11 07:49:41 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Sgt Warlock wrote:The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game. If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons! The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone. If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE. Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons , they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve. You can always deploy to Delve and space pewpew them. But who am I kidding. You're FCon. Even more incompetent and carebeary than Goons themselves are.
Why don't you come to delve and show us your elite ways?
We were also blamed for the mineral prices but if you notice the numbers we are actually importing minerals to delve and not exporting so if anything we are keeping the prices up. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 09:14:19 -
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This still nerfs the fighters who are already nearly useless in high TiDi PvP. The guns barely ever cycle and you have to generally recall them after each volley. This just nerfs them even further making titans and dreads only capitals worth bringing to the field.
Could you please stop screwing over PvP? Scale the bounties since there is less effort to kill the rats and concord pays out less. That way you can control how much isk goes there while still making carrier/super ratting possible as it is the only actually engaging PvE in the game (a bit too much fighter aggro for anyone with RL though).
BTW. Your statistics don't handle multiboxing vs single char. Multiboxing carriers is impossible while you can fairly easy run quite a few drone boats. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 09:56:45 -
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Jarmen4u wrote:Mary Timeshift Jane wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Again, this will **** over people who cannot play every day. Why should we punish everyone when its a fraction of the playerbase that are causing the problem?
What's the problem? That a fraction of player base just as a fraction of humans in real life, have great dreams they want to achieve so they put in the work to achieve them? Having and achieving dreams is a problem now? The world this is becoming... The problem is that this is too great a source of too much ISK. It will cause long-term issues if it's not dealt with. Also, what dreams are there to achieve once you're at a level that you can AFK rat in a super? There's not much upward mobility to go once you're a super pilot. Now, if they were nerfing the income for VNIs or other subcaps, that would certainly crush the dreams of those who are trying to achieve. But if you're in a super, you've already succeeded. At that point, it's not even work. The problem becomes, your money is making money for you, just like in real life. Rich get richer, etc etc. Not a good economical decision in game or in real life.
Can you show this AFK carrier/super ratting as I have not been able to see it. At the moment (pre patch) if you look away for a few seconds you can be certain to lose at least a fighter and maybe several. Fighters need active commands to orbit/shoot/launch extra weapon so there is exactly zero AFKability in carrier/super ratting. It is only PvE that can't be multiboxed and that is somewhat engaging as you have to pay attention constantly.
Supers might be a bit too high income but something closer to 100 mil per tick (realistic tick not Quant cherry picked one) would be perfectly fine as that is comparable to 5 ishtars which is perfectly possible to multibox without too many issues (or any depending on the type of rats you have, delve sucks ass for this due to neuting rats). |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 09:59:01 -
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Petros K wrote:Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:Destriouth Hollow wrote:If you really want to compare capital-ratting to other ships, do the following: 1) Take only bounties that came from ratting anomalies (caps don't rat anywhere else) 2) Take only bounties that came from nullsec (cap's don't rat anywhere else) 3) Divide them by the amount of time spent to generate that isk (The amount of bounty-ticks generated will work reasonably)
I would REALLY be interested in THAT statistic, as it would actually be usefull information.
Haven't you been paying attention? They get up to 260 mil ticks. What more do you need to know? 260m tick would mean that some1 is killing 1 haven in 2-2half minutes. Is it even possible ?
It is in titans IIRC but the price of DD fuel went so high that it wasn't paying off according to our titan jews.
Also I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm ;) |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:05:57 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:[quote=baltec1] Nope the statics will be much more evenly for all the reasons I listed. The average capital-ratter rats more per month . I expect FAR more than 6,2% of all nullsec-ano-ticks be generated by caps. FAR MORE.
Will be interesting how well/if they can detect multiboxing. Running several ishtars is easy as is running them in the background while working. Something that is not the case with capital ratting. I know that I stopped carrier ratting due to losing fighters if I look away for a sec, while worst that happens in an ishtar is that I get a bit lower tick. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:08:54 -
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Kalioria wrote:Where large amounts of isks are spent in eve: - For new ships - For new structures
When players need new structures and ships: - When they move to another place and there is no point to move them - When ships and structures are destroyed.
So to increase demand we need more ships and structures to be destroyed. That means we need some huge wars and currently there are no reasons for them, because there is not so much interest in conquering enemy territory. So probably instead of nerfing income sources it was better to add more reasons to fight with each other?
There always will be people who earn more than others just because they put more effort in it. So why their income should be reduced?
For example there may be some special events, some rats that collect wrecks from player battlefields and spawn only if some amount of capital ships were destroyed by opposite fractions? Meaning that several alliances should have neutral or negative standings, make a huge fight and then some third npc force come there to collect their wrecks and defend themselves. Think about some special reward and probably people will fight again?
Because now pvp mostly looks like - fleet of 50 cruisers comes into enemy territory, then: a) they kill some carrybears b) they are killed by 100-150 enemy fleets on the same trash cans c) they are dropped by several capitals and also killed d) if they are lucky - they go home with nothing. e) hardly ever there is some interesting fight.
Just make eve pvp great again and people will spend isks and not just collect them.
Actually your entire premise is wrong. Destruction of ships is an isk faucet (except suicide gankers in high sec). The isk is shuffled around and insurance is injecting huge amounts of isk. You losing isk doesn't mean it is gone, just transferred to someone else.
Down south there is quite a lot of good action with PL/NC. vs Test/CO2 vs CVA vs Imperium vs whoever. |
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Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:10:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:Axhind wrote:Destriouth Hollow wrote:[quote=baltec1] Nope the statics will be much more evenly for all the reasons I listed. The average capital-ratter rats more per month . I expect FAR more than 6,2% of all nullsec-ano-ticks be generated by caps. FAR MORE. Will be interesting how well/if they can detect multiboxing. Running several ishtars is easy as is running them in the background while working. Something that is not the case with capital ratting. I know that I stopped carrier ratting due to losing fighters if I look away for a sec, while worst that happens in an ishtar is that I get a bit lower tick. oh its still possible to multibox 2-3 carriers/supers if you have the right rig.
Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:23:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:Axhind wrote:
Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually.
Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms
Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:30:23 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:baltec1 wrote:Axhind wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=Axhind] Nope the statics will be much more evenly for all the reasons I listed. The average capital-ratter rats more per month . I expect FAR more than 6,2% of all nullsec-ano-ticks be generated by caps. FAR MORE. Will be interesting how well/if they can detect multiboxing. Running several ishtars is easy as is running them in the background while working. Something that is not the case with capital ratting. I know that I stopped carrier ratting due to losing fighters if I look away for a sec, while worst that happens in an ishtar is that I get a bit lower tick. oh its still possible to multibox 2-3 carriers/supers if you have the right rig. Show us this multiboxing of carriers then (no input broadcasting obviously) and just how long can you keep it up manually. Here you go. Granted its incursions but the same tactic will work for anoms 1) That guy is using stratioses and not carriers 2) Microing 3 squads of fighters is the same work as microing a 5-flight of drones. 3) In addition to that the fighters also may need mwd + orbiting 4) The Carriers do MUCH more dmg than stratioses. You will need to lock and attack multiple times as much. Microing 1 Carrier is already easily as much work as microing 3+ stratioses. Show me someone microing 6 stratioses while generating a 20mil+ tick without using assist/guard and I'll start to beleave you.
Plus drones auto-aggro which helps a lot with multiboxing.
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Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 10:50:50 -
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Kalioria wrote:Axhind wrote: Capitals in incursions? Since when? Have you actually done carrier ratting since the changes to fighter mechanics? LInking some random guy multiboxing subcaps is not evidence of carrier/super multiboxing.
In null sec incursions can be closed in 1 day. All you need ~7-8 supers, 3-4 carriers, 2 fax. + Fill fleet with alts on frigs to get 60 people in fleet. If you close it in one day you get 25x45 mil is + 250k LP (plus 10% bonus for most contributors) per each char. In best situation you can farm in such way for ~week, or at least 3-4 days. Closing each site that allows 60 people in fleet takes around 15 minutes in such setup.
Maybe they have changed the incursions but the ones I've done have all been gated so no capitals in them. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 11:10:49 -
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Kalioria wrote:Axhind wrote: Maybe they have changed the incursions but the ones I've done have all been gated so no capitals in them.
They are still gated, but in null sec gates have no limitations for what can pass it. Some guys jumped through with titans, but that was less effective than mothership.
Had no idea. Thanks for the info :) |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 15:38:13 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Mary Timeshift Jane wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Looking at the arguments in this thread "Mah super cost me 27 bil y u nurf it?!?!" "I nvested x amount of moneyz now the sand box is mine!" "Nerf them not me!" "Blame the game not the player!" "I've made 50 alts now I deserve eternal bliss!" etc.
In case anyone wonders in the future why CCP (or any other company) goes pay 2 win... as long as the players pick isk making over game balance it can't ever go towards gameplay. Simply because that is what the player base asks for.
What gameplay is there to pick? Those frigate, occasionally cruiser, roams most people are doing most of the time? So much fun.. are they, not. make your own content maybe? however you sound like you prefer the repetitive nature of grinding of the same npc's constantly, so much fun...
And that is coming from someone hiding in NPC stations and space. No wonder you like fozzie, his biggest contribution is worthless sov and interceptors who's only counter is 6 titans with SBs on a gate. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 16:04:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Axhind wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Mary Timeshift Jane wrote:Gimme Sake wrote:Looking at the arguments in this thread "Mah super cost me 27 bil y u nurf it?!?!" "I nvested x amount of moneyz now the sand box is mine!" "Nerf them not me!" "Blame the game not the player!" "I've made 50 alts now I deserve eternal bliss!" etc.
In case anyone wonders in the future why CCP (or any other company) goes pay 2 win... as long as the players pick isk making over game balance it can't ever go towards gameplay. Simply because that is what the player base asks for.
What gameplay is there to pick? Those frigate, occasionally cruiser, roams most people are doing most of the time? So much fun.. are they, not. make your own content maybe? however you sound like you prefer the repetitive nature of grinding of the same npc's constantly, so much fun... And that is coming from someone hiding in NPC stations and space. No wonder you like fozzie, his biggest contribution is worthless sov and interceptors who's only counter is 6 titans with SBs on a gate. hiding in npc stations...thats cute, didnt you guys hide in lowsec npc space during wwb?
Just took entire rest of the eve and illegal casino money to do it. What is your excuse? |
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Posted - 2017.06.13 18:37:16 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Heleana Commodus Luyseyal wrote:CCP should keep on mind that if ppl skilled up for something and invested their real money into it, when they nerf bat that same thing to uselessness, they should refund skill points that are thrown by players. Or at least that is what other companies are doing, like for example blizzards hearthstone. If the skills were rendered useless you might have a point. They aren't so you don't. The only thing you really have is that you are excessively butthurt and you think that justifies your petulance. Take all that ISK and be happy. Or how about this: CCP gives you the SP, but takes any and all ISK you made ratting?
White knighting for CCP must be a new low for AMOK. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.13 20:33:03 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Axhind wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Heleana Commodus Luyseyal wrote:CCP should keep on mind that if ppl skilled up for something and invested their real money into it, when they nerf bat that same thing to uselessness, they should refund skill points that are thrown by players. Or at least that is what other companies are doing, like for example blizzards hearthstone. If the skills were rendered useless you might have a point. They aren't so you don't. The only thing you really have is that you are excessively butthurt and you think that justifies your petulance. Take all that ISK and be happy. Or how about this: CCP gives you the SP, but takes any and all ISK you made ratting? White knighting for CCP must be a new low for AMOK. Wanting something for nothing is pathetic. Ignoring the huge problem sitting in front of you is stupid.
Issue is that they finally made PvE that can't be multiboxed and is somewhat engaging and are now killing it by nerfing fighters that already barely work in TiDi fights. Ticks are a bit high but if they land around 80 mil that will be perfectly fine and they can just lower bounties if you are using a capital as CONCORD feels it's less risk and thus pays less. That way bounties can be brought down without removing good PvE or completely murdering fighters in PvP.
In any case CCP have not given us a single reason to back them up lately as most of the changes have been beyond terrible (audio change is still amazing level of stupid even for CCP) as has been their behaviour towards us, their customers. So please find someone else to white knight for. |
Axhind
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Posted - 2017.06.15 10:39:19 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Here we go a simple and elegant solution:
CCP imposes a ratting tax on supers and carriers of....100%.
You can rat in your carrier or your super, you just get nothing for it.
No other nerfs. All combat abilities are returned to where they were.
Holy ****, I know you are in AMOK but what the hell dude? Carrier/super ratting is the only engaging PvE activity that EVE has ever had. It can't be multiboxed and demands active play style.
Yes it is giving a bit too much isk at the moment and should be scaled to ticks of about 80 mil or so (roughly 4 afktars) but removing it completely is just absurd.
As to PvP the biggest issue right now is that they stop working in TiDi which means you need to recall and relaunch between every attack volley. This nerf is not going to do much to PvP anyway as DPS was **** to begin with. |
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