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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:01:38 -
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Aedaxus wrote:Smuff Gallente wrote:I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's Sure but how about the colatteral damage ? Local business for people in Las Vegas ? The Airlines? Why make them a victim ? Also why make others a victim to pay cancellation fees? And that rare ship? Why does it needs to be rarer? So many questions... I guess only the 1%ers can answer. And since i'm a poor player I don't have to worry too much. I know, I know one day they will nerf my drake but then I'll come to protest ingame. Can I bring my drake? Or did everyone already unsub?
Lel. They nerfed Drakes years ago. They were good once (unless you knew how to fit Kinetic tanking modules).
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
817
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:05:26 -
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Jason Galente wrote:A goon crying about a rorq and carrier nerf. Oh noes.
You guys produce more in Delve doing that crap than pretty much the rest of the game combined. Of course you're crying. It's not that I'm defending goons but why should players be punished for using the space they live in? It's not goons fault that CCP can't proper balance their own game.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
640
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:07:01 -
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Adapt or Die. Get Good Again. Stop your Whining. |
Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1228
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:13:43 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jason Galente wrote:A goon crying about a rorq and carrier nerf. Oh noes.
You guys produce more in Delve doing that crap than pretty much the rest of the game combined. Of course you're crying. It's not that I'm defending goons but why should players be punished for using the space they live in? It's not goons fault that CCP can't proper balance their own game.
Except now they are enacting the patch to balance the game, and goons are crying, trying to prevent it.
This patch is CCP balancing its game.
Punishing goons would be doing something other than fixing the imbalance, like trying to retroactively take away all the product of the absurd economic activity in the past.
I don't think we should expect goons not to use the space they live in to the extent they're able to do so by the game's limits. The issue is the game's limits. Hopefully this patch addresses that.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
817
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Posted - 2017.06.11 14:22:19 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jason Galente wrote:A goon crying about a rorq and carrier nerf. Oh noes.
You guys produce more in Delve doing that crap than pretty much the rest of the game combined. Of course you're crying. It's not that I'm defending goons but why should players be punished for using the space they live in? It's not goons fault that CCP can't proper balance their own game. Except now they are enacting the patch to balance the game, and goons are crying, trying to prevent it. This patch is CCP balancing its game. Punishing goons would be doing something other than fixing the imbalance, like trying to retroactively take away all the product of the absurd economic activity in the past. I don't think we should expect goons not to use the space they live in to the extent they're able to do so by the game's limits. The issue is the game's limits. Hopefully this patch addresses that. In my opinion it doesn't go far enough. Two years of keepstar plopping, have fun trying to evict Goons. No group in the game should ever be allowed to be made totally unassailable. They patch it because well oraganised group of players take it to the level of an exploit. Goons didn't create imbalance, CCP did. They just showing that CCP lack of imagination. As for your keepstar comment, again where is the goon fault in that?
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Radkiel
HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra
13
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Posted - 2017.06.11 16:42:53 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:All ten of you nullbears and your 50+ alts each are going to cancel your tickets to an event? Oh noes.
Stop whining already. They've been steadily ******* with high-sec for years, and this is the only time it's affected your overinflated supply of free money. You nullbears have no idea how the economy works, you just sit there PvEing all day on ten accounts rolling n the ISK and showing up for CTAs, or docking up when someone rolls into the system. Maybe when you can't trade all that ISK for real money, you'll get REALLY mad. What are you gonna do then? Unsub? Oh, you already did that. You're like tiny little dogs thinking they can stop a train by yapping at it.
You have no idea of what you are talking about. You think people are using ten accounts to multi-box Anoms with Supers without a third party program?,you have proof? Using software like ISboxer? Isn't using ISboxer against the rules? If it is why not go after the cheaters instead of punishing me? It sounds some multiboxer touched you in the wrong place.
P.S I only have three accounts and only one of those can fly carriers.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16123
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Posted - 2017.06.11 16:47:33 -
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Smuff Gallente wrote:I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's
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Skorpynekomimi
727
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Posted - 2017.06.11 16:54:34 -
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Radkiel wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:All ten of you nullbears and your 50+ alts each are going to cancel your tickets to an event? Oh noes.
Stop whining already. They've been steadily ******* with high-sec for years, and this is the only time it's affected your overinflated supply of free money. You nullbears have no idea how the economy works, you just sit there PvEing all day on ten accounts rolling n the ISK and showing up for CTAs, or docking up when someone rolls into the system. Maybe when you can't trade all that ISK for real money, you'll get REALLY mad. What are you gonna do then? Unsub? Oh, you already did that. You're like tiny little dogs thinking they can stop a train by yapping at it. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You think people are using ten accounts to multi-box Anoms with Supers without a third party program?,you have proof? Using software like ISboxer? Isn't using ISboxer against the rules? If it is why not go after the cheaters instead of punishing me? It sounds some multiboxer touched you in the wrong place. P.S I only have three accounts and only one of those can fly carriers. Resist.
This is what they call 'damage control', or 'being defensive'. Maybe you should go back to not afk-ing your money?
What happened to 'goons don't mine', anyway? I see Delve is way up on afk mining as well. I guess it's okay to do stuff if it involves a capital ship, right?
Economic PVP
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16123
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Posted - 2017.06.11 16:54:58 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jason Galente wrote:A goon crying about a rorq and carrier nerf. Oh noes.
You guys produce more in Delve doing that crap than pretty much the rest of the game combined. Of course you're crying. It's not that I'm defending goons but why should players be punished for using the space they live in? It's not goons fault that CCP can't proper balance their own game.
It's not about goons, every null region has carriers and supers swarming over combat anomalies more so than before CCP introduced fighter squadrons.. Goons are just the most active at it.
If it had been allowed to go on those carriers and supers would have eventually turned EVE into Zimbabwe money wise, or worse, the Chinese EVE server....
For the record, these events are vindication of a sorts for me, in the past when we all here have talked about pve income imbalances the high sec crowd would shout "JUST BUFF NULL, don't take away from my high sec income"!!
Well, this is what happens when you Just Buff Null instead of CCP balancing PVE income opportunities across EVE with an eye towards how much safety is worth... |
Skorpynekomimi
727
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Posted - 2017.06.11 17:05:44 -
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Wait, what happened with Somer Blink? And what's IWI?
Economic PVP
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2921
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Posted - 2017.06.11 17:10:51 -
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Op, you are 100% correct!
This is outrageous!
This is too far!
Can I have your stuff, please?
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Radkiel
HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra
13
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Posted - 2017.06.11 17:18:48 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Radkiel wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:All ten of you nullbears and your 50+ alts each are going to cancel your tickets to an event? Oh noes.
Stop whining already. They've been steadily ******* with high-sec for years, and this is the only time it's affected your overinflated supply of free money. You nullbears have no idea how the economy works, you just sit there PvEing all day on ten accounts rolling n the ISK and showing up for CTAs, or docking up when someone rolls into the system. Maybe when you can't trade all that ISK for real money, you'll get REALLY mad. What are you gonna do then? Unsub? Oh, you already did that. You're like tiny little dogs thinking they can stop a train by yapping at it. You have no idea of what you are talking about. You think people are using ten accounts to multi-box Anoms with Supers without a third party program?,you have proof? Using software like ISboxer? Isn't using ISboxer against the rules? If it is why not go after the cheaters instead of punishing me? It sounds some multiboxer touched you in the wrong place. P.S I only have three accounts and only one of those can fly carriers. Resist. This is what they call 'damage control', or 'being defensive'. Maybe you should go back to not afk-ing your money? What happened to 'goons don't mine', anyway? I see Delve is way up on afk mining as well. I guess it's okay to do stuff if it involves a capital ship, right?
I don't afk anything, and mining puts me to sleep. Who is the alleged hacker, exploiter, multi-boxer, boxing 15 supers? |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
34999
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Posted - 2017.06.11 17:32:34 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I think they exploit these psychological mechanics already just by making use of RNG and random loot mechanic in the game, and PvP fights are fairly random and exciting. It would be just another means of gambling. Risk is addicting. Compared to other games, most of the products and items you buy or receive in EVE are straightforward. There are situations like loot drops and anomaly spawns, but they're not directly connected to real-money purchases in an EVE store. I hope this is intentional and they keep it up. Now I have been on a trip to low sec and back, and actually it felt like a gamble in few places, and there was real ISK on the table. And that was only travel and some sites when pirates are around.
So actually they may have enough people hooked on this multiple means of achieving gamble reaction to facilitate only PLEX sold on market for ISK. If someone loses anough ISK in this gamble.
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Renee Frost
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2017.06.11 17:57:54 -
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On the bright side, PLEX prices might finally fall with the rage quitting of carrier ratters subbing 50+ accounts using ISK. |
Mestori Anar
Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:15:51 -
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Renee Frost wrote:On the bright side, PLEX prices might finally fall with the rage quitting of carrier ratters subbing 50+ accounts using ISK.
Where is this myth of carrier ratters subbing multiple accounts coming from? Have you tried carrier ratting? You can't multibox carrier ratting. Stop spreading myths that aren't true |
Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1230
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:33:37 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote: They patch it because well oraganised group of players take it to the level of an exploit. Goons didn't create imbalance, CCP did. They just showing that CCP lack of imagination. As for your keepstar comment, again where is the goon fault in that?
I never implied any of this was goon's fault per se. Just that their interest lies in stonewalling this change, so it's hardly compelling when a goon doesn't like a carrier nerf.
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At any cost
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18964
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:36:22 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Op, you are 100% correct!
This is outrageous!
This is too far!
Can I have your stuff, please?
In this case I guess that means a ticket to Vegas. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35003
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:37:21 -
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I think CCP worked on this very hard.
They buffed Carriers, they added skill injectors, they added more SKINS and clothes and changed PLEX so it can be used to buy those things directly from NEStore.
Suddenly they care about EVE economy? Seeing how it all looked in the graphs, its a desperate means of rescuing it and too late, but you know the answer, the skill injectors. Players had to use them to get into ratting carriers. Dealing with bounties issue and economy now is looking like a desperate thing and a hack job at best, looks like decision was made in a hurry, not thinking how would people react, or maybe the reaction was understated and they think everything will be fine. But... ISK will flow into the economy only a little slower. Players will rat in something else. Maybe only a little less efective. What CCP will do then? Nerf next ship because it kills rats too fast? =ƒñö
Actually yes. That would be excellent occasion to sell even more skill extractors. Greed is good and all of that. =ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦
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Videles Silenthunter
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:44:54 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Smuff Gallente wrote:I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's Dude, they are just doing what is necessary to balance their game. Sure, this drastic and inelegant solution probably could have been avoided if they actually had someone monitoring the economy and making timely balance changes, so they deserve to be splashed with some tears, but seriously something needed to be done. Sorry if it was your toy they toned down, but honestly the income sources in this game need a fair bit more rebalancing if Eve is going to continue, at least as an interesting game worth playing. Do what you feel is necessary. I caution you though, that nerfs almost always look and feel worse at the time. You, or somebody else, will figure out another way to play the game and achieve your goals. You are in real danger of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
First of all it doesnt effect me since i dont fly carriers yet but i can imagine people getting pissed off. If you pay really a lot of money on skill injectors (real cash) for that last 5% and the week after they suddenly remove that feature then at least you should get a refund.
If they wanted to add sinks to could have actually added another layer like for example tech 2 battleships, which would cost really a lot and would require those bpc apart of manufacturing. Nerfs like this just appear to be uncreative solutions to game design flaws. You can at least agree that there would have been plenty of other more creative options to figure a solution that didnt hit the players in their wallet.
I already know a few peopl;e whom gonna quitte the game. And thats a shame
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35007
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Posted - 2017.06.11 20:54:13 -
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All those buff and nerf shenanigans are looking now like a means of selling more skill extractors really.
Economy? Why they did not react faster? Economy my a$$. Or they really are out of touch.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16127
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:07:17 -
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Videles Silenthunter wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Smuff Gallente wrote:I propose that as a proportional response to CCP's Tuesday Nerf we as the community Cancel our Eve Vegas tickets and demand a refund and that en-mass cancel our paid accounts. they want to hurt us in our wallet's lets hurt them in there's Dude, they are just doing what is necessary to balance their game. Sure, this drastic and inelegant solution probably could have been avoided if they actually had someone monitoring the economy and making timely balance changes, so they deserve to be splashed with some tears, but seriously something needed to be done. Sorry if it was your toy they toned down, but honestly the income sources in this game need a fair bit more rebalancing if Eve is going to continue, at least as an interesting game worth playing. Do what you feel is necessary. I caution you though, that nerfs almost always look and feel worse at the time. You, or somebody else, will figure out another way to play the game and achieve your goals. You are in real danger of cutting off your nose to spite your face. First of all it doesnt effect me since i dont fly carriers yet but i can imagine people getting pissed off. If you pay really a lot of money on skill injectors (real cash) for that last 5% and the week after they suddenly remove that feature then at least you should get a refund.
That's nonsense, everything in EVE is "use at your own risk". It's not CCPs fault if people stupidly skill inject into a Flavor of the month thing in a game where everything is guaranteed to change.
Quote: If they wanted to add sinks to could have actually added another layer like for example tech 2 battleships, which would cost really a lot and would require those bpc apart of manufacturing. Nerfs like this just appear to be uncreative solutions to game design flaws. You can at least agree that there would have been plenty of other more creative options to figure a solution that didnt hit the players in their wallet.
You don't fix an imbalance by buffing everything around it, you fix the imbalance. CCP is doing that.
Quote: I already know a few peopl;e whom gonna quitte the game. And thats a shame
Not to me, if people are so incautious as to get caught up short by a change that anyone with any sense knew was inevitable, those people need to not be playing EVE anyway. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35008
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:20:50 -
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I will gladly take a carrier if anybody is leaving.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
35085
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Posted - 2017.06.11 21:45:11 -
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might be tempted if nyxes drop really low
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ISD STAR
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Posted - 2017.06.11 22:00:28 -
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