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Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.18 14:15:00 - [31] Meat puppets and lunatics are not a source of reliable information or entitled to said information. Get yourselves worked up over the matter by all means. The frothing and flailing for some publicity stunt is all that keeps this feed moving, it seems. Besides, if you stopped posting your cronies and cohorts would not have anything to read.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:02:00 - [32] Originally by: Archbishop Well if the CVA is bullying people and claiming space I expect Star Fractions war dec on the CVA to be forthcoming. After all isn't that your mission? Attack the CVA to oppose expansion of the influence of 0.0 alliances as per your leaders recent published interview? I seem to recall it is. If you undocked in a spaceship occassionally you might have realised we are fighting the CVA every night. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:17:00 - [33] Jasmine, you always have this entourage of hecklers following you...
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 15:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Jasmine, you always have this entourage of hecklers following you... Since they don't have the courage to fight my ships in space they feel the need to do .... well something I suppose Star Fraction is recruiting
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:02:00 - [35] Edited by: Calypso''s Wrath on 18/05/2007 16:02:15 Dear Redpants o/ Remember me? It seems your campaign is going well. but never for longer than the time it takes to lock your pod. (Want more killboard links? ) Huggs and kisses - Love CW P.S. Gank you later K? Edited because Gong does not sound right...
Isis Dea Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.18 16:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Casserina Leshrac Originally by: Ella Lane Originally by: Isis Dea Despite this was an internal affair, I will clarify, Our motives are the same as first written, no different, no less. However, during the fray, there was discussion among CVA leadership due to our efforts against these factions both in 9UY and the two pipes of Providence of a possible reward through the giving of conquered space. No agreement was made however and I wish that to be clear to all parties intrested. No that is a lie. I am telling you ALL how it is. You were offered the territory, THEN you began to fight. There is no ifs or buts about it. I KNOW the chronology. I KNOW you are lying. What i stated is true and you and your alliance are fighting because there is no way you can find territory and hold it on your own. Do not dress this up Isis. You are fooling no one. CVA hiring mercenaries? Say it isn't so! Perhaps Isis you can clarify this? Did CVA make territorial promises to the North Star Confederation? Yes or No please. NO, what supprises me even more was the fact that it was simply a "bonus package" for our efforts against UNITY, something perhaps CVA offered once we started taking losses to encourage efforts. Between leadership, however, nothing was agreed upon and I wish to make that clear to Ella, regardless of her sources. ___
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.18 18:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Redpants It is vital that Providence remain open to neutral travelers and commercial traffic. Should the region fall into the hands of robbers and pirates, the route to take between Empire and other 0.0 areas would be inconvenient and extremely disadvantageous to say the least. ...funny that before we came this exact region was in pirates hand, uncontested by any alliance and far away from beeing "open to neutrals" It was uhsrakhan opening it and to a large extend securing the pipe. CVA applied pressure on us, we had to stop beeing police and focus on them They did the first move, never forget that in you propaganda. We secured the area in the first place - and we reserve the right to "insecure" it as long this is the only way to compensate the CVA pressure layed on us. Alliances around us only exist in provicende because we cleared the way. Honor the facts... U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.18 21:06:00 - [38] Nice glasses. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.05.18 22:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Sakura Nihil I know what I aim to build - a cluster where people do not need to rely on others to protect them, where they may go where they desire, and do what they want without needing to say "may I?" to the one that holds sway over them. How will you avoid hostile bubblecamp without asking "May I?" You will bring friends to clear out the bubblecamp. That's what a 0.0 alliance is. Friends to clear out hostile bubblecamps and provide for mutual security. 0.0 is never going to be totally safe, but free trade cannot occur under blockade. Free trade is the cornerstone of independence, the ability of the individual to harvest ore, build a product, move that product to market and sell it on the open market. CVA is to be applauded for supporting open markets and open borders. Where there are open markets, tyranny cannot hold sway for long, this has been proven time and time again. Amarrian tyranny was at its height before they enslaved the Ni-Kunni, over time those crafy Ni-Kunni gained power within the empire, trade with the outside increased, and the Empire's policies became more open and free. Now there is even talk of having an Emperor who is not True Amarrian. Could this be? All this happened because of free trade. Piracy stifles free trade and thereby inhibits freedom.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.18 23:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Sakura Nihil I know what I aim to build - a cluster where people do not need to rely on others to protect them, where they may go where they desire, and do what they want without needing to say "may I?" to the one that holds sway over them. How will you avoid hostile bubblecamp without asking "May I?" You will bring friends to clear out the bubblecamp. That's what a 0.0 alliance is. Friends to clear out hostile bubblecamps and provide for mutual security. 0.0 is never going to be totally safe, but free trade cannot occur under blockade. Free trade is the cornerstone of independence, the ability of the individual to harvest ore, build a product, move that product to market and sell it on the open market. I agree on the whole, but realize there is one crucial disconnect between us. It is one thing to say "Damn, a bubble and camp is blocking my way!" and to take arms up against it with others, that kind of self-empowerment is what the Fraction strives to inspire amongst young or inexperienced capsuleers. Compare that to the other scenario, where a person says "Someone's blocking my way! I can't go through until someone clears it...", this is dependence of the kind that will arise from a strong anti-pirate presence. Anyone who is curious about this can go to Kheram and see a case study unfolding at this very moment. In the Mista system next door, several times a day pilots report to the local populace that the connecting gate is infested by pirates - for minutes on end, normal drivers just sit there, waiting for someone to clear it for them, like cattle with glazed-over eyes. Unless someone does the job, they wait in station, refusing to do any work for themselves - ask yourself, is that what we want the whole of humanity to become? Mindless souls traveling the cluster, their fates subject to the whims of others?
Vicious Khannid	Posted - 2007.05.19 00:40:00 - [41] U'k's goals and NSTAR's goals arnt very far askew, Ive suggested many times for NSTAR to acknowlage the NRDS Policy UK follows. With that information i suggest they team up/ align. But because CVA offered NSTAR space, they followed CVA like dogs on leashes. They followed with "they harbor pirates, and we cannot have this" Well, they harbor pirates because of cva. They are DOING the greater good and NSTAR's CEO's dont realize this and are blinded by free space. Another reason, look at star fraction, they shot at them because cva told them to. Motives? Free space. Its just a couple of systems, i dont get why they cant align with UK, when they are being used with CVA. Thats my two cents. REPU - Vicious STORM Armada
Enkilil Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.19 03:58:00 - [42] Edited by: Enkilil on 19/05/2007 04:01:30 Edited by: Enkilil on 19/05/2007 03:59:07 Having recently left NSTAR, I can't offer anything other than my objective opinion: I believe North Star Confederation has pure and decent ideals, they are diverse, accepting, and a lot of fun. To be honest, they are some of the finest people I've meet in Eve. They do any region proud merely by being stationed there. That being said, REPU leaving NSTAR wasn't a problem with the alliance whatsoever, it was a problem w/ CVA and the handling of situations in Providence. 1. We collectively had issues with the NRDS policy compromising our very existence. Confirmed enemy scouts 'neutrals' were not policed properly, leading to a lot of unnecessary losses. 2. The intel channel is a joke because CVA members would be sitting in the same system as someone being attacked (in ships fit for warfare, mind you), and would do little to nothing to help out, since they had thier own 'secret' intel channel and let people who were supposed to be friends fall without aid. These same friends are then asked to participate in raids in U'K space. 3. The (overwhelming) arrogance and character of several CVA authorities when dealing with people outside of their alliance, who were supporting their cause. 4. CVA locking and firing on friendlies in CVA Sovereign space without repercussions during defense ops. 5. Pressure on NSTAR to push out, and banish alliance members from CVA space for firing on known macrohaulers, because of a poorly designed NRDS policy in a time of war. 6. Another arrogance issue: threats on ops because of local conversations from our corpmates during a siege. The whole 'I'm roleplaying, and your role-playing isn't as textbook dungeons and dragons flamboyant as mine' therefore-i'm going to kick you out of our gang' thing. Despite what anyone in this thread has stated, the fact is: NSTAR have their own agenda and are no ones' pets. They are not CVA hired mercenaries. They are not anyones' puppets. If you have that impression, then you've been misled. North Star have made it clear that they are loyal to CVA for their generosity in Providence, that they are a combat capable Alliance, and this is a noble and admirable thing, even if IMO it's going to lead to a lot of hardship for them. Being a developing corporation in an alliance put into that circumstance was breaking us apart, and therefore: the only alternative was to leave for the survival and rebuilding of our Corp. TBH I wish for nothing more than NSTAR to be happy and healthy. The path they have chosen is a long and dangerous one. Keep your edge, bros, and good luck. There will be light at the end of the tunnel, but unfortunately it may be the light of the Amarr Empire, and you need to decide if that's where you want to be when this is over: in a broken and shattered Providence more in decay than it was before the Sovereign areas, over-run by pirates, and in complete shambles? Providence isn't all that hot anyway. Take care, o/ fly safe. -Enki Republic Fleet and Logistics Director of Working 12-16 hours a day and no-time-for-Eve. Storm Armada
xXHeRoInERaBBiTXx Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.19 04:59:00 - [43] Just a couple of notes, #1 CVA DID agress UK on multiple occasion, this is a fact, and initiated the following countermeasures upon themselves, this is an indisputable fact. Remember when cva attacked IO and UK? what happened? UK and IO came and anchored towers in NOS space and sieged the qbl pocket, why? because cva attacked them! None the less, back when i was in NOS and LVL 5 left NOS, we made measures for peace as per our corp and claimed neutrality so we could pull out due to limited time we were given. what happened? CVA declared us KOS for claiming neutrality in the conflict, we took heavy losses due to that, and yeah my boys were mad, most of them left lvl 5 and joined corps/alliances hostile to cva after that. And one more thing, didnt NOS have a peace deal with UK, gee i wonder what happened to that, and to nos -250 members...... So yeah given that history, what do you think we think about this conflict, which is much worse than the last. #2 Providence isn't worth a good god damn, get real, fighting over the most BS POS region in all of eve, the spawns are crap exept in the qbl pocket, which is run by the most do nothing push over POS alliance in all of eve, and frankly NSTAR has pulled 10x the weight in providence that NOS has and gets nothing, KBP pocket is garbage, they should have been offerin NOS space, which is the best space in providence.... This is all part of the reason why we left. Providence isnt worth fighting in cva's war, which they started and offered no real benefit for participating in. Shame on all of you for not making peace in providence, its a border region and not worth much, thats why no larger alliances have sought control over it yet, its not worth the petty bs war. You will all lose everything for nothing. Now just to play devils advocate, what happens if IAC gets involved, not that i know wheather they would or not, but lets just say for a second that they did, UK would be in the same position cva is in right now, now with all the loses everyones taking whose gonna defend against the pirates, the whole region of providence is going to be thrown into contest. And one last thing, for all of you in CVA intel, way to whine about empire, when UK is siegeing x-r and (tell people its clear(thats dir at a specific person from cva)) and the running away like scared little girls when your friends are under attack, its nice to hear things like, im not even going to bother from cva members whilst im under attack, and they are maybe a jump away, or they leave system,(with the exeption of few, you know who you are) so yeah asking us to help fight your war is a no go. PS IF anyone wants a good corp in a good alliance gimme a shout PPS grats calypso for finally getting that kill on my bs, caught me afk in space for the first time, looks liek your corp IS blobbers and your talk in local about 1vs1 fair fights is bs have fun fighting a losing battle on both sides
Ella Lane	Posted - 2007.05.19 07:06:00 - [44] Edited by: Ella Lane on 19/05/2007 07:04:03 Originally by: Enkilil Despite what anyone in this thread has stated, the fact is: NSTAR have their own agenda and are no ones' pets. Oh i quite agree that Nstar have their own agenda. CVA were seen by them as nothing but a stepping stone on the road to their own soverign space. CVA had already pledged Dread support to take out Chaos Incarnates POS's in providence once they had finnished off UK. NSTAR are incapeabel of doing it on thier own as they dont have ANY Dreadnaughts. To show the galaxy just what kind of agenda NSTAR have i am going to go public with yet more of my information. The following statement was lifted directly and unedited from the NSTAR Forums in a thread that lays out a battle plan for their incursions. The initial statement confirms the CVA dread support and half way down the topic theBattle plan is Quoted and a reply that one member wrote goes as follows "All good stuff, not to be evil, but if we decide to in the future to over throw cva, this would be a good time to see how many cap ships they can put out. if this means anything at all. I like the bob method of pos removal." So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Ella Lane The following statement was lifted directly and unedited from the NSTAR Forums in a thread that lays out a battle plan for their incursions. The initial statement confirms the CVA dread support and half way down the topic theBattle plan is Quoted and a reply that one member wrote goes as follows "All good stuff, not to be evil, but if we decide to in the future to over throw cva, this would be a good time to see how many cap ships they can put out. if this means anything at all. I like the bob method of pos removal." An interesting way to put together an intelligence-gathering operation. And while I have my differences with the Loyalists, surely CVA can see through this. If not, and if the statement is true then CVA truly deserves what they get. Especially if the leadership was unaware that they hired pirates into their fold . I think it is time the CVA invested some quality time into the background of the North Star Confederation. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 13:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Ella Lane So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold. I see nothing "disturbing" in NSTAR planning a potential backstab against CVA. If any agency in the whole of known space has earned such a thing its the CVA. Its clear from the posts above that CVA has bullied and manipulated and misused NSTAR and many other entities for their own purposes in Providence and lower Domain and its long overdue for the victims of this to rise up and throw off the yokes of their oppressors. Star Fraction is recruiting
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:03:00 - [47] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Ella Lane So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold. I see nothing "disturbing" in NSTAR planning a potential backstab against CVA. If any agency in the whole of known space has earned such a thing its the CVA. Its clear from the posts above that CVA has bullied and manipulated and misused NSTAR and many other entities for their own purposes in Providence and lower Domain and its long overdue for the victims of this to rise up and throw off the yokes of their oppressors. All they would need is a source of inspiration. A demonstration that CVA is not the big, bad slave-hound of low-sec. I am fairly given the choice of options from responsible parties they will have spiritual epiphany. I have discovered when people have been oppressed too long, they are readily accepting of new ideas. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Maidel Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:23:00 - [48] Originally by: Enkilil 2. The intel channel is a joke because CVA members would be sitting in the same system as someone being attacked (in ships fit for warfare, mind you), and would do little to nothing to help out, since they had thier own 'secret' intel channel and let people who were supposed to be friends fall without aid. These same friends are then asked to participate in raids in U'K space. I read this and HAD to respond to a comment which is completely untrue and slanderous. CVA has ONE intel channel - the same channel that all their allies are invited into. And if they dont, they havent mentioned the secret intel channel to me - a member of over THREE years. And as for people yelling out in the channel 'Help im being attacked' and expecting a fleet to turn up - well that is quite frankly moronic. Firstly - you assume that every single person in the system is active, in a war ship. Secondly if you report you are being attacked by 10 ships and there are only two CVA members in the system - dont expect them to suicide in an attempt to save you. Third and most importantly - CVA dont help people who dont help themselves. Far too often intel is reported 'enemy is camping gate X' - intel that would be reported and repeated every few minutes. These reports are always followed within a few minutes by 'help im being attacked at gate X' - if you dont listen to the intel and then decide to go and get yourself killed - well tough.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 14:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Ella Lane So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold. I see nothing "disturbing" in NSTAR planning a potential backstab against CVA. If any agency in the whole of known space has earned such a thing its the CVA. Its clear from the posts above that CVA has bullied and manipulated and misused NSTAR and many other entities for their own purposes in Providence and lower Domain and its long overdue for the victims of this to rise up and throw off the yokes of their oppressors. And the Star Fractions attempt at a smear campaign continue! ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Maidel Firstly - you assume that every single person in the system is active, in a war ship. Secondly if you report you are being attacked by 10 ships and there are only two CVA members in the system - dont expect them to suicide in an attempt to save you. I think the reason you disappoint your vassals is that most times of the day there are between 10-20 CVA members docked and apparently active in the Misaba station and they can't see why won't leave dock to come and help them 1 jump over. I've been in numerous SF raids this week when we've been able to eliminate your vassals with impunity in the systems around Misaba and your fleet simply will not undock to come help them. Quote: Third and most importantly - CVA dont help people who dont help themselves. Far too often intel is reported 'enemy is camping gate X' - intel that would be reported and repeated every few minutes. These reports are always followed within a few minutes by 'help im being attacked at gate X' - if you dont listen to the intel and then decide to go and get yourself killed - well tough. So if you aren't promising to protect these people what exact DO they get for signing up as your vassals and inheriting your hostile list? If you didn't bully them into making your enemies -10 then they wouldn't face attack in the first place. Its a bit rich for you to manipulate these neutral parties into a war and then just wring your hands of the whole business afterwards isn't it? Star Fraction is recruiting
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine If you didn't bully them into making your enemies -10 then they wouldn't face attack in the first place. Its a bit rich for you to manipulate these neutral parties into a war and then just wring your hands of the whole business afterwards isn't it? um no, because those who are -10 to CVA are pirates or allied with pirates (which does include Ushra'Khan). If you go into Providence you get shot at by them regardless of your status to the CVA. the benefit of being involved with CVA and the community they are part of is that you can get help when these hostiles do their typical pirate behavior. sorry, your supposition was a good try but we all know how pirates are Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss um no, because those who are -10 to CVA are pirates or allied with pirates (which does include Ushra'Khan). If you go into Providence you get shot at by them regardless of your status to the CVA. the benefit of being involved with CVA and the community they are part of is that you can get help when these hostiles do their typical pirate behavior.sorry, your supposition was a good try but we all know how pirates are I suggest you catch up with current events Tomahawk. At the moment NSTAR are in a concord-declared state of war with Star Fraction specifically because they were told by CVA that we were "pirates" and would shoot them in nullsec (a deception that led to NSTAR pilots aggression SF pilots from neutral). Hence the full responsibilty for losses that NSTAR are currently taking from our forces falls upon the CVA policy of systematically lying about those they wish others to set -10 KOS. CVA have a responsibility to help NSTAR fight this war they manipulated them into fighting on their behalf. Star Fraction is recruiting
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 15:47:00 - [53] Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx #1 CVA DID agress UK on multiple occasion, this is a fact ... [snip] ORLY? Did you know that Slaves are illegal in Minmatar Republic? CVA and UK have been in mutual war for years. So CVA aggressing UK or vice versa should come as no surprise to anyone. Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx UK and IO came and anchored towers in NOS space and sieged the qbl pocket, why? because cva attacked them! Actually, they attacked QBL because they saw NOS as a weak target. Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx None the less, back when i was in NOS and LVL 5 left NOS, we made measures for peace as per our corp and claimed neutrality so we would pull out due to limited time we were given. what happened? CVA set Level Five to neutral and removed your access to intel channel. Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx CVA declared us KOS for claiming neutrality in the conflict, we took heavy losses due to that, and yeah my boys were mad, most of them left lvl 5 and joined corps/alliances hostile to cva after that. Wrong. CVA did not KOS Level Five at any point. We have 0 registered Level Five kills in our KB. We allow people to stay neutral. Sylph was neutral to us and blue to UK during QR-campaign. NOS on the other hand did KOS Level Five their own reasons which remain unclear to me. We saw no reason to mix up Level Five / NOS conflict as long as it did not escalate. So I'd like to know why you lied about CVA KOSsing Level Five? Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx And one more thing, didnt NOS have a peace deal with UK [snip] Yes they did. For few weeks IIRC. After NOS NAPped UK we set NOS to neutral and removed their access to shared intel channels. Some time after that leadership in NOS changed and situation returned back to normal. Originally by: xX****ERaBBiTXx Shame on all of you for not making peace in providence, its a border region and not worth much, thats why no larger alliances have sought control over it yet, its not worth the petty bs war. You will all lose everything for nothing. This also proves that you definetely don't understand what this conflict is about. There can be no peace between Ushra'Khan and CVA as we have incompatible goals. CVA wishes to make Providence safe for all law-abiding citizens. Ushra'Khan wants base out from Providence to attack anyone supporting the Amarr Empire or CVA. Ushra'Khan used to be anti-pirate but have now changed policies and have confirmed that now their only goal is destruction of Amarr Empire.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Morden Nok CVA wishes to make Providence safe for all law-abiding citizens. This isn't true. CVA actually (in the words of their own leaders) want to cultivate a "garden" of compliant vassal entities that share their KOS list and fight against enemies of the CVA regardless of previous 3rd party neutrality. "law-abiding citizens" in CVA-speak means "those who do what we say". It is not a difficult choice for people of honour and courage to see where the true tyrants and would-be imperialist dominators here are. Star Fraction is recruiting
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:30:00 - [55] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Morden Nok CVA wishes to make Providence safe for all law-abiding citizens. This isn't true. CVA actually (in the words of their own leaders) want to cultivate a "garden" of compliant vassal entities that share their KOS list and fight against enemies of the CVA regardless of previous 3rd party neutrality. "law-abiding citizens" in CVA-speak means "those who do what we say". It is not a difficult choice for people of honour and courage to see where the true tyrants and would-be imperialist dominators here are. An interesting claim when the CVA initially advised residents to avoid conflict with Ushra'khan. This has only changed as Ushra'khan target these entities and they cannot be expected to stand still and eb fired upon now can we? ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Isis Dea Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.19 16:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Ella Lane Edited by: Ella Lane on 19/05/2007 07:04:03 Originally by: Enkilil Despite what anyone in this thread has stated, the fact is: NSTAR have their own agenda and are no ones' pets. Oh i quite agree that Nstar have their own agenda. CVA were seen by them as nothing but a stepping stone on the road to their own soverign space. CVA had already pledged Dread support to take out Chaos Incarnates POS's in providence once they had finnished off UK. NSTAR are incapeabel of doing it on thier own as they dont have ANY Dreadnaughts. To show the galaxy just what kind of agenda NSTAR have i am going to go public with yet more of my information. The following statement was lifted directly and unedited from the NSTAR Forums in a thread that lays out a battle plan for their incursions. The initial statement confirms the CVA dread support and half way down the topic theBattle plan is Quoted and a reply that one member wrote goes as follows "All good stuff, not to be evil, but if we decide to in the future to over throw cva, this would be a good time to see how many cap ships they can put out. if this means anything at all. I like the bob method of pos removal." So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold. After raising hell among the leadership of NSC, an investigation has been made searching even our own forums for that "quote". Whoever made it deserves to die and if it was made, it apparently was deleted because search has shown nothing even close to that statement both in the public AND private sections of our forum. Either that or... It never existed and this is an attempt to smear the reputation of NSC. No such statement has been found, Ella, I wish to ask now for your source so NSC diplomats/leadership can address/correct this view ASAP. We wish for the best, Isis ___
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:30:00 - [57] They are -10 so they must be pirates. So every -10 is a pirate. Thank you Bliss, I couldn't sum up CVA's definition of a pirate more precisely than you just did.
Tomahawk Bliss Minmatar	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 19/05/2007 15:35:35 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss um no, because those who are -10 to CVA are pirates or allied with pirates (which does include Ushra'Khan). If you go into Providence you get shot at by them regardless of your status to the CVA. the benefit of being involved with CVA and the community they are part of is that you can get help when these hostiles do their typical pirate behavior.sorry, your supposition was a good try but we all know how pirates are I suggest you catch up with current events Tomahawk. At the moment NSTAR are in a concord-declared state of war with Star Fraction specifically because they were told by CVA that we were "pirates" and would shoot them in nullsec (a deception that led to NSTAR pilots aggressing SF pilots from neutral in an unprovoked and decidely NBSI attack). Hence the full responsibilty for losses that NSTAR are currently taking from our forces falls upon the CVA policy of systematically lying about those they wish others to set -10 KOS. CVA therefore has a clear responsibility to help NSTAR fight this war they manipulated them into fighting on their behalf. Its simply not good enough for them to sit docked in Misaba and wring their hands when NSTAR ask for help a couple of systems over. ah but Star Fraction has aided pirate faction during the defence of Karishal's Folly, you work with pirate or for pirate you get the same responce. you are in bed with pirates, thus set to -10 and should be shot on site by any anti-pirate faction. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think. GLBTA Channel
Enkilil Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Ella Lane So Enkilil I agree that NSTAR have their own agenda. But it doesnt change the fact that they are incapeable of taking territory on their own and are either the pets of CVA or even more disturbingly, planning to stab CVA in the back when they get their own foothold. If you really are reading NSTAR's forums, you'll see that nothing could be further from the truth, and btw: nice job taking Wii's post out of context and posting it here just to create controversy. As I'm assuming that you can read, and you have read the post in its' entirety, you know that it was just Wii messing around, so why even bother? Do you feel all important now that you've tried prying a wedge between mutual friends? You're a special breed aren't you?
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.19 17:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Morden Nok Ushra'Khan used to be anti-pirate but have now changed policies and have confirmed that now their only goal is destruction of Amarr Empire. Correction. Ushra'khan has only ever had ONE goal, the end of slavery across Eve. Pirating in U'K space will be punished by death. No policies have changed other than we have withdrawn military and political support for local's who do not support U'K.

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