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Sojiuro	Posted - 2007.05.21 04:38:00 - [91] Where is NSC headed? This question has been ingrained in my mind since the beginning. We started out as a semi notorious anti pirate corporation just a few people. Then our vision was clear, everywhere we go, we kill pirates. We were pretty good, reckon most of us sucked but we were close knit, confident, and willing to die. Now, this post may not have too much to do with the initial post by Isis but I will give a little insight to RPincs and NSTARS controversy. I was in RPinc at the very beginning of its uprisal about 6 months ago. Like i stated, our vision was clear... Now I dont know where we belong. I believe that UK isnt bad, but CVA isnt bad either. Were caught inbetween a war of radicalists with out ne force inside our ranks to give us our own opinion. Were a boat without a rudder and a sailor to guide us. I dont think we can truly be called an antipirate alliance anymore which makes me question why we have an alliance in the firstplace. Our original code, which seems to have been wiped away now, our founding prinicples seem shattered. Our alliance has no PURPOSE. UK was founded to exterminate slavery, CVA to promote the Amarr empire, Jericho to fight all those who sleight justice in their eyes. But what is NSTAR. Until we have this set in stone and we follow this religiously NSTAR will never become great.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.21 10:03:00 - [92] Sojiuro, you have hit the nail on the head "UK was founded to exterminate slavery, CVA to promote the Amarr empire, Jericho to fight all those who sleight justice in their eyes." Piracy and Anti-Piracy are not terms that can be used in this conflict because it is an ideological war. Those who use such terms are attempting to manipulate those who have no place in the conflict. Providence is a war-zone. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Samiki Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.21 16:34:00 - [93] Good job, Isis and fellow Nstar. Good freaking job. :(
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.21 16:46:00 - [94] Originally by: Samiki Good job, Isis and fellow Nstar. Good freaking job. :( I'd suggest if that sentiment is prevalent amongst NSC members or has a following that you take your concerns up with your leadership. If they're simply misguided as i suspect in this thread then i'm sure they can be convinced of a less destructive path for your alliance. Failing that, you could always just replace them :p Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Sojiuro, you have hit the nail on the head "UK was founded to exterminate slavery, CVA to promote the Amarr empire, Jericho to fight all those who sleight justice in their eyes." Piracy and Anti-Piracy are not terms that can be used in this conflict because it is an ideological war. Those who use such terms are attempting to manipulate those who have no place in the conflict. Providence is a war-zone. Actually NSTAR were formed to fight for Justice. Jericho/Star Fractions were formed as a force to promote anarchy/oppose the system of state.
Ella Lane	Posted - 2007.05.21 18:29:00 - [96] Originally by: Redpants Ella, you're wearing thin on me. I don't know what agenda you have besides trying to tear down NSTAR. Wii's statement in our private alliance forum may have been joking in nature, or maybe not, I go by what he says, he wrote it. However you're isoloation of that quote is beyond being out of context in its original thread. Truth or no truth you are on a smear campaign against our honorable alliance. You claim to know so much but in fact know so little. Well if all this was true my freind than why do you sound so worried? By your own mouth on your own forums in a topic pertaining to all this controvasy... "Oh, and btw, we're being completely torn apart there. there are blatant contradictions between nstar posts concerning the cva statement by wii, and those of former nstar and the "informant" all of which are making us look like total boobs backpeddling to save our own asses IMO. Whatever reputation we came into the region with is going downhill fast." Redpants NSTAR forums Wow thats probably the first thing youve said so far that i agree with Redpants. At least Samiki is truthful about her displeasure. Both here and and in your own forums. "IMHO Isis should have never posted this and we should keep our politics off the EVE-O forums. Thanks, I sure like us looking like a bunch of asses." Samiki NSTAR forums
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:03:00 - [97] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 21/05/2007 20:01:25 Originally by: Raane Thyandar Actually NSTAR were formed to fight for Justice. Jericho/Star Fractions were formed as a force to promote anarchy/oppose the system of state. The craven dogs of PIE have no right to speak on Star Fraction ideology. If people want to know about hiding in stations or running away I'm sure then PIE might have some practical advise to offer, but where the discussion is on matters of belief and commitment their words are worth less than nothing. Star Fraction is recruiting
RealPolitik	Posted - 2007.05.21 20:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Ella Lane Originally by: Redpants Ella, you're wearing thin on me. I don't know what agenda you have besides trying to tear down NSTAR. Wii's statement in our private alliance forum may have been joking in nature, or maybe not, I go by what he says, he wrote it. However you're isoloation of that quote is beyond being out of context in its original thread. Truth or no truth you are on a smear campaign against our honorable alliance. You claim to know so much but in fact know so little. Well if all this was true my freind than why do you sound so worried? By your own mouth on your own forums in a topic pertaining to all this controvasy... "Oh, and btw, we're being completely torn apart there. there are blatant contradictions between nstar posts concerning the cva statement by wii, and those of former nstar and the "informant" all of which are making us look like total boobs backpeddling to save our own asses IMO. Whatever reputation we came into the region with is going downhill fast." Redpants NSTAR forums Wow thats probably the first thing youve said so far that i agree with Redpants. At least Samiki is truthful about her displeasure. Both here and and in your own forums. "IMHO Isis should have never posted this and we should keep our politics off the EVE-O forums. Thanks, I sure like us looking like a bunch of asses." Samiki NSTAR forums Slam dunk 10 points.
RealPolitik	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 21/05/2007 20:01:25 Originally by: Raane Thyandar Actually NSTAR were formed to fight for Justice. Jericho/Star Fractions were formed as a force to promote anarchy/oppose the system of state. The craven dogs of PIE have no right to speak on Star Fraction ideology. If people want to know about hiding in stations or running away I'm sure then PIE might have some practical advise to offer, but where the discussion is on matters of belief and commitment their words are worth less than nothing. Now that wasnt very nice, was it? Ive only seen star fraction in safespots and in the forums :( Ps Hi! :D
RealPolitik	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Samiki Good job, Isis and fellow Nstar. Good freaking job. :( I'd suggest if that sentiment is prevalent amongst NSC members or has a following that you take your concerns up with your leadership. If they're simply misguided as i suspect in this thread then i'm sure they can be convinced of a less destructive path for your alliance. Failing that, you could always just replace them :p Sorry for so many posts, but He just said it all. Good job
xXHeRoInERaBBiTXx Minmatar Republic Fleet and Logistics Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:16:00 - [101] I would suggest NSC take a step back aswell, re-evaluate your stake in this war, and ask this very important question, WHAT THE F*** ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THIS!?!?! Because those doing far less are going to get far more in the future, nos an example of this happening in the past, and i promise it will happen again
Raane Thyandar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 21/05/2007 20:01:25 Originally by: Raane Thyandar Actually NSTAR were formed to fight for Justice. Jericho/Star Fractions were formed as a force to promote anarchy/oppose the system of state. The craven dogs of PIE have no right to speak on Star Fraction ideology. If people want to know about hiding in stations or running away I'm sure then PIE might have some practical advise to offer, but where the discussion is on matters of belief and commitment their words are worth less than nothing. Hey now that was unjustly bitter. I was actually trying to correct a genuine error. I wasn't comparing SF's stance to being agaist justice i just got the impression he had the 2 forces confused. As i see it NSTAR are heavily supporting Concord, and thus justice. Star Fraction is self stated to support the spread of anarchy in it's many forms (in this case post-humanism and anarcho-capitalism i believe) and fight against the government of state. I never intended it as an insult or spin, but you saw fit to try and twist a benign remark to your own ends.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:22:00 - [103] Originally by: Raane Thyandar Hey now that was unjustly bitter. I was actually trying to correct a genuine error. I wasn't comparing SF's stance to being agaist justice i just got the impression he had the 2 forces confused. Given the penchant of PIE speakers for lying, twisting the truth, and substance-free spin we really don't need you to try to "speak" on our behalf. When the Star Fraction has something to say we will say it ourselves and we don't need a collective of dock-monkeys and coat-tail captains to presume to do it for us. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.21 22:46:00 - [104] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Raane Thyandar Hey now that was unjustly bitter. I was actually trying to correct a genuine error. I wasn't comparing SF's stance to being agaist justice i just got the impression he had the 2 forces confused. Given the penchant of PIE speakers for lying, twisting the truth, and substance-free spin we really don't need you to try to "speak" on our behalf. When the Star Fraction has something to say we will say it ourselves and we don't need a collective of dock-monkeys and coat-tail captains to presume to do it for us. Its really ok Jasmine, you are not alone. Bitter thrash is everywhere these days, and they all seem to point their fingers at Amarr. Some strange sort of subhuman congregation dedicated to lamenting their fate repeatedly on Galnet, over and over again. So think before you speak at the sow next time, Raane, being exposed to all this bitterness might kill us! ----------------------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 00:45:00 - [105] Originally by: Gaius Kador Some strange sort of subhuman congregation dedicated to lamenting their fate repeatedly on Galnet, over and over again. You describe PIE perfectly. Star Fraction is recruiting
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.22 04:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Reash An interesting claim when the CVA initially advised residents to avoid conflict with Ushra'khan. This has only changed as Ushra'khan target these entities and they cannot be expected to stand still and eb fired upon now can we? we never did the first shot. huzzah, nos, sylph , uce, slammers - and all of your other pets w/o exception have done a move first to get their crosshair on them. - we got shot by them while we were attacking you - same, occassinal mini raids into our space - defense of a sov thief - sov thief siding with CVA (own statement, not sure if CVA would be interested) just a couple of facts. All of these "peaceful law abiding citizens of providence whom you told to steer clear of uk" or whatever, have disobeyed and did not steer clear. U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 05:05:00 - [107] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaius Kador Some strange sort of subhuman congregation dedicated to lamenting their fate repeatedly on Galnet, over and over again. You describe PIE perfectly. +1 Zing, Fraction.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Given the penchant of PIE speakers for lying, twisting the truth, and substance-free spin... Great, and this is actually a nice delf-description of the Constaspins as people who read the IGS for more than a month should have figured out by now. Ironically the Star Fraction might garner the respect Constaspin craves so much under a different CEO. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Given the penchant of PIE speakers for lying, twisting the truth, and substance-free spin... Great, and this is actually a nice delf-description of the Constaspins as people who read the IGS for more than a month should have figured out by now. Ironically the Star Fraction might garner the respect Constaspin craves so much under a different CEO. Indeed Tharrn, given Jasmine's past record of making up "facts" (such as claiming that PIE fighters had done impossible things, claiming that Brother Joshua and his associates had done impossible things, and that PIE's activity level was low despite photographic evidence to the contrary), one has to wonder just why she expects anyone to believe anything that she says any more. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 09:54:00 - [110] Originally by: Sakura Nihil +1 Zing, Fraction. That should ease the bitterness some. ----------------------------------------------
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:03:00 - [111] Why must you chase Jasmine everywhere, polluting posts with your sniping? Jasmine suggesting that Raane Thyandar's correction of my post, which in itself was a quote from an NSC member expressing their own view, was wrong, is perfectly valid. Raane Thyandar suggested that he was correcting a genuine error. Truth is, it is not his place to correct what he peceives as an error but SF's, should they so choose. I suggest that there was no error, as such, because Sojiuro was merely expressing his point of view. I realise that the SF part was unnecessary for me to quote but I just included the sentence. Really, stop derailing perfectly good threads. And, no - you do not NEED to answer my question. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:34:00 - [112] Dear Isis, As your words caused some emotions in this summit, I consulted the Sebiest Tribe Elders. Hereby a statement from the Sebiestor: Quote: All participants in this conflict fight admirably an bravely. Our brave Sebiestor Tribal Warriors for Freedom do not fight against the Ammarians, they do not fight against the Ammarian allies. We do not like being against other people. No, we do not fight against anything, we fight FOR something! It is knowing what is the right thing to do which will set us apart from the Slavers and their evil cohorts. We fight for freedom of our people, we fight for bringing slavers to justice, we fight for a better New Eden for all our brothers and sisters. As we recognize the differences between the Tribes, it is our blood that binds us in uniting in this endeavour. If the Ammarians choose to end slavery, bring their slavers to justice and recognize the Republic as a safehaven for all our brothers and sisters, we will even fight for good relations with the Empire. If the Northern Star Confederation as ally to the CVA asks us to step back and look at which road we aim to pave, we can only say that the heavy stones on our backs can build that road if the Slavers are burried under the sand on which we can lay them down. Thus far the statement of our Sebiestor Elders. RB join us today!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.22 10:41:00 - [113] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Why must you chase Jasmine everywhere, polluting posts with your sniping? Reap, sow. We are just repaying her kindly. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 16:09:00 - [114] Originally by: Kade Jeekin Why must you chase Jasmine everywhere, polluting posts with your sniping? Jasmine suggesting that Raane Thyandar's correction of my post, which in itself was a quote from an NSC member expressing their own view, was wrong, is perfectly valid. Raane Thyandar suggested that he was correcting a genuine error. Truth is, it is not his place to correct what he peceives as an error but SF's, should they so choose. I suggest that there was no error, as such, because Sojiuro was merely expressing his point of view. I realise that the SF part was unnecessary for me to quote but I just included the sentence. Really, stop derailing perfectly good threads. And, no - you do not NEED to answer my question. You raise a perfectly fair point Kade, but the reality here (especially for members of PIE and VV) is that having lost a war in space against the Star Fraction they literally have nothing left to do but snipe at us on Galnet. Hence you see every thread dragged down with Tharrn or Rodj or Archbishop or some other dockmonkey spamming the same old tired rhetoric on endless repeat. We've seen this for near on seven weeks now. We blow up ships in space, we achieve objectives, we drive our foes like sheep and cattle and we author War Diarys and announcements and AAR's detailing the progress of the war. In response the Amarrian's can only keep rattling out the same old tired propaganda "you're irrelevant" "you don't matter" "we rule okay!!!" and eventually it just starts being intensely repetitive and deeply mediocre. I honestly think all neutral parties are tired of hearing what the Amarrian's "think" about these subjects. Everyone has heard them endlessly regurgitating the same old same old lines for a couple of months now. People might be interested on what they are "doing" about the situation, but since by and large they aren't "doing" anything, that presents a problem for them. The only comfort that can be taken from this is that with every post made by a Rodj Blake or Tharrn the reputation of the Amarrian bloc suffers a little more and slips deeper into tragicomic bathos. As I have said to these people in other threads ... "at this point they are literally doing it to themselves." Star Fraction is recruiting
RealPolitik	Posted - 2007.05.22 19:31:00 - [115] Stay on topic please.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.22 19:46:00 - [116] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You raise a perfectly fair point Kade, but the reality here (especially for members of PIE and VV) is that having lost a war in space against the Star Fraction they literally have nothing left to do but snipe at us on Galnet. Are you still trying to delude yourself or the audience? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 20:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Jasmine Constantine You raise a perfectly fair point Kade, but the reality here (especially for members of PIE and VV) is that having lost a war in space against the Star Fraction they literally have nothing left to do but snipe at us on Galnet. Are you still trying to delude yourself or the audience? I think its rather obvious who the desperate war-failure turned bitter attention-seeker is here Tharrn. This is what ? The twentieth thread you've stalked me through now? If you were as persistent at hunting my ships in space maybe your alliance wouldn't have failed quite so pitifully. Star Fraction is recruiting
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:16:00 - [118] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 22/05/2007 21:20:27 Quote: we never did the first shot. huzzah, nos, sylph , uce, slammers - and all of your other pets w/o exception have done a move first to get their crosshair on them. - we got shot by them while we were attacking you - same, occassinal mini raids into our space - defense of a sov thief - sov thief siding with CVA (own statement, not sure if CVA would be interested) just a couple of facts. All of these "peaceful law abiding citizens of providence whom you told to steer clear of uk" or whatever, have disobeyed and did not steer clear. This is not the case, old foe. You are conviniently forgetting that the origins of the Huzzah conflict, at least, involved a certain U'K corp with a policy of shooting anyone that had either 1. a high standing with Amarr or 2. that they deemed to be allies of CVA. I believe that since the U'K began their attempt to set up a rival state in providence that this policy was hushed up, but the policy existed and was responsible for the first shots in the Huzzah conflict. I dont see why you squirm away from acting according to your misguided ideals. You accept that you are terrorists who kill Amarrians merely to assuage your genocidal hate, this does not seem any different to me. Or are you still deluding yourself into thinking that you are fair freedom fighters who are actually accomplishing something more than mass scale death, and conviniently ignoreing that you have chosen the least efficient active* method possible to attack slavery and the most effective if you don't actually care about slaves and just want dead Amarrians? *I will admit you are more effective than the recent crop of gallente that we have seen so ardently opposed to slavery. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.22 21:23:00 - [119] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I think its rather obvious who the desperate war-failure turned bitter attention-seeker is here Tharrn. This is what ? The twentieth thread you've stalked me through now? If you were as persistent at hunting my ships in space maybe your alliance wouldn't have failed quite so pitifully. If we count the failures throughout history you'll come out on top by far. The 'stalking' is just the same you usually do to each and every thread on the IGS. The Star Fraction has a reputation for sticking your noses into every thread whether or not you are somehow involved or not. Usually you spam and troll them to death then. Do you like your own medicine? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.22 22:43:00 - [120] Originally by: Tharrn The 'stalking' is just the same you usually do to each and every thread on the IGS. The Star Fraction has a reputation for sticking your noses into every thread whether or not you are somehow involved or not. Usually you spam and troll them to death then. Do you like your own medicine? While we achieve in space and publicise those results you simply spam and extrude your bitterness Tharrn. I can understand why jealous rage has come to dominate your waking life but I would advise you to simply undock more and achieve something - it will help far more than simply venting on this thread-stalking vendetta you have going on ... Star Fraction is recruiting

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