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The Golden Serpent
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2017.06.15 04:32:43 -
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I had to see it for myself, but there are several mobile depot signposts posted around the Empress' Honor Guard in Amarr claiming it as belonging to one "Tenla" of a private individual corporation. When read on the capsuleer data channels they read "Welcome to Tenla's Amarr" posted at the corners of the Honor Guard field. There are five in total. She runs a trade organization and mining operations in the area.
She is a strong supporter of Max Singularity. In her self published profile she write "Hail Max Singularity" in red letters. Red means war and blood. I bet she is also a blooder. I wouldn't be surprised if she had connections with Sarakusa himself.
We're in the process of removing the depots which are broadcasting the signal. This is extremely offensive to the Empress and it goes to show that Max continues to be a divisive influence who not only endangered the lives of the good people of Providence on his wreckless rampage with Imperium forces but that he also has followers with extremist ideology even worse than what he reveals publically.
Perhaps he does have enough influence in Amarr to have escaped justice yet, but in Khanid we only need to swear fealty to the imperial family.
I've recorded all of the evidence in a dossier I will be delivering to the Ministry of War, but I've been given permission by my superiors to post about it here as well.
If one studies Amarrian history, heretics always come to power under the banner of reform. Don't let your liberal ideology cloud your judgement, Amarrians. There are many political reform organizations that do not **** and pillage Amarrian lands and lives.
-:¦:-GÇó:'":GÇó.-:¦:-GÇó* K H A N I D GÇó-:¦:-GÇó:''''*:GÇó-:¦:-
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Sterling Blades
Windstalker Security Corp United Neopian Federation
33
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Posted - 2017.06.15 05:21:08 -
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I do believe the argument can be made that a large proportion of capsuleers of all background can be considered terrorists, so I do believe the point of Mr. Singularity being one from your viewpoint is a bit moot in that regard.
I am curious about this dosier regardless, how long is it? And how much effort went into the data collection? And what channels specifically did you have to trawl to come by the data therein? I doubt you'll share such sensitive information with a heathen such as myself, but it doesn't stop my curiosity.
The gods are out there. They watch us. They guide, they manipulate. We rally behind the ones we adore, and rain fire against those who rally behind the ones we hate. The question now is, to whom does your allegiance fall behind, dear Empyreans?
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1076
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Posted - 2017.06.15 05:35:03 -
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I hardly think that a heretic would be invited to lecture at the Imperial Academy.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2533
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Posted - 2017.06.15 06:43:46 -
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Red doesn't make a capsuleer a Blooder. Red is an attempt to show aggressiveness. How many logical hoops did you have to jump to make this kind of conclusion?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35176
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Posted - 2017.06.15 06:51:20 -
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Red like blood.
From Tenla's bio (in red): In darkness you will find me I dance among the dead But very soon I'll need to hunt the scent of blood instead
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2107
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Posted - 2017.06.15 07:46:23 -
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Does she weigh more or less than a duck? |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
252
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Posted - 2017.06.15 08:02:00 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Does she weigh more or less than a duck?
If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2533
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Posted - 2017.06.15 08:02:39 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Does she weigh more or less than a duck? If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
Which makes her a witch. Therefore flammable.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Loki Vaako
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
11
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Posted - 2017.06.15 08:05:23 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Red like blood.
From Tenla's bio (in red): In darkness you will find me I dance among the dead But very soon I'll need to hunt the scent of blood instead
Sounds like a blood god fanatic. These scum will never learn. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2108
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Posted - 2017.06.15 08:09:15 -
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The scary part here is that the logic chain in the comments is about just as valid as the original post.
Burn the heretic? I guess? |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2367
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Posted - 2017.06.15 08:26:53 -
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you can shoot mobile depots, right ?
surely then, this is a self-resolving issue ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1155
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Posted - 2017.06.15 11:53:57 -
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We're talking about that guy who showed up last year to decry the Empress and the Corrupt Empire, yes?
I wondered what happened to him.
Cardinal Graelyn
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2535
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Posted - 2017.06.15 13:21:22 -
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Graelyn wrote:We're talking about that guy who showed up last year to decry the Empress and the Corrupt Empire, yes?
I wondered what happened to him. I hope he found gainful employment outside of impersonating clergy.
He lectures new Imperial capsuleers about the basics of starship systems operations these days.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1043
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:46:13 -
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Because he recounted his heresies publicly and eloquently while accepting the punishments levied against him for speaking them.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate
2167
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:52:19 -
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To be honest I thought he was trying to establish himself as a standup comedian. Show's how much attention I paid to him. |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1158
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:52:38 -
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The Empire levied punishments against a capsuleer?
Why yes, I would like to know more.
Cardinal Graelyn
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1045
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:57:54 -
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He volunteered to accept them.
As I understand he came forward in repentance and begged to be allowed to make amends for the lies he spread. Perhaps his lecturing is a part of that penance. I do not know, you will have to find and ask him to know for certain.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1993
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:24:54 -
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Wait...... Max Singularity is still relavent? |
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
525
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Posted - 2017.06.16 07:35:05 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Wait...... Max Singularity is still relavent? Probably as relevant as you or I
Queen of Chocolate
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2108
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Posted - 2017.06.16 07:57:40 -
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The guy pulls more weight around than any of this board's regulars when he so chooses, so a damn sight more relevant than us supporters or detractors on this board. I don't particularly like the guy, but let's not start playing the 'relevance' card unless you're in the same weight-class, hmm? |
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
525
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Posted - 2017.06.16 08:43:29 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:The guy pulls more weight around than any of this board's regulars when he so chooses, so a damn sight more relevant than us supporters or detractors on this board. I don't particularly like the guy, but let's not start playing the 'relevance' card unless you're in the same weight-class, hmm? I was trying to subtly suggest something similar to the above.
Queen of Chocolate
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
1031
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Posted - 2017.06.16 08:52:15 -
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Grr Space Pope. Hat Space Pope! |
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
525
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Posted - 2017.06.16 08:53:57 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Grr Space Pope. Hat Space Pope! Space popes do have hats, yes. It shows they're important.
Queen of Chocolate
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2540
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Posted - 2017.06.16 09:16:28 -
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Considering that his lecture is recorded and published as books for the consumption of capsuleers as the be all and end all regarding starship systems operation theory, I say, yes, he is really darn important.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1995
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Posted - 2017.06.16 12:21:05 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Wait...... Max Singularity is still relavent? Probably as relevant as you or I Yes, so much this. |
Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
940
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Posted - 2017.06.16 13:33:51 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:I hardly think that a heretic would be invited to lecture at the Imperial Academy.
Only heretic would challenge throne's divine right to rule. Singularity has done just that.
Fear the God and honor the Empress!
-House Valius battle shout.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1082
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Posted - 2017.06.16 14:57:21 -
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Would it not be heretical to deny the righteous status of a man washed clean of his sin by the Throne?
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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The Golden Serpent
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2017.06.16 18:04:08 -
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Why is Max Singularity Important?
Most people have forgotten about the Imperium forces since they were routed by the stronger MBC coalition last year. They havn't gone away though, and they remain just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as they were before the war, which caught fire on the heels of their **** of Providence. Providence leadership including Cardinal Dex and Lord Jaden Noah (successor to Lady Trisha D'vaney)
CONCORD normally views The Imperium as a stabilizing force on the null sec regions they occupy, they are a threat, but they are not of the same DED level threat as the Guristas or Equilibrium of Mankind for example.
If we look at the trade reports coming out of Delve we can see that they mine nearly 150 billion ISK per capita more than Providence, and total mining operations in Delve equal more than every other region in the cluster - combined. They rival The Forge in production and imports. Upwell Consortium was kind enough to cooperate with us on intel regarding their citadel contracts - they have erected more Fortizar and Keepstar class citadels than any other corporation, alliance or coalition in the cluster.
The GSF and RSA together is an economic powerhouse. While some in our Empire praise The Mittani for converting to Max' version of our Amarrian religion, all I can see is heresy. Even so, it is known that one may never blame the mislead for being lead astray by a heretic - the blame always lies on the shoulders of the one propagating the false religion, especially if they are True Amarrian or Khanid in that order, especially if they are of the holder class. We have more responsibility towards God than any other people. None of this is The Mittani's fault.
The Imperium under The Mittani was lead against Providence, and I believe the blame lies squarely on Singularity's shoulders. His irrational insistence on retrieving Her Holiness Jamyl Sarum's body from Providence's southern capital was both delirious and lead to the death of innocent faithful in Providence.
Since the **** of Providence and the northern SOV war the Imperium has backed itself into a corner snugly in Delve, out of sight and out of mind. There is another angle to this and it is not insignificant at all - they have been decimating Blood Raider forces in Delve. Intelligence reports coming out of Delve report that the Blood Raiders are in a state of panic.
Some reports say that The Mittani is trying to make amends for the unpopular move against Providence and has ordered his top leadership to refuse support to the Blood Raiders - I've run covert ops missions into Delve and can verify this publically, Imperium forces are not reinforcing any of the Blood Raider strategic locations and they are sourcing the desirable Machariel battleships from Caldari State corporations specializing in cloned versions of the ships, not the raider installations.
What this means is that there is a window of hope here to introduce The Imperium to the real meaning of Amarr religion - we need to expose Max Singularity for what he is - a Sani Sabik heretic whose fluffy do-gooder sentiments towards the tribals is only a cover for his virulent heresy. This heresy influences one of the most powerful men in the cluster who could otherwise be introduced to the true religion were it not for this dangerous heretic whispering in his ear.
We're dealing with the anti-Empress signposts in Amarr, and while it would be the right thing to do, I doubt Singularity will call his lap-furrier Tenla to heel on this. God always exposes heretics eventually.
Amarr Victor! Glory to the eternal flame of Amarr!
-:¦:-GÇó:'":GÇó.-:¦:-GÇó* K H A N I D GÇó-:¦:-GÇó:''''*:GÇó-:¦:-
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Ravana 729
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2017.06.16 18:41:39 -
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Have you considered, that Max Singularity might be popular with Sani Sabik but not actually support them? I don't know what The Mittani's intentions are with his holiness.
Sometimes I think he just wants the stabilizing and politically appealing virtues of a state religion, other times I think he really buys at least some of it. In my studies at the kitz, I came to understand the Amarrian religion as one of the most powerful tools of their Empire. It increases self esteem and justifies slavery and other forms of evolutionarily advantageous sociopathy of course, but more than this, it may theoretically effect consciousness states through the influence of various fields - this would explain the ignition of the religion on Athra for example. More than just politics and social upheaval - the religion affects consciousness on a molecular level. In other words, Amarrians, by worshipping their God, are worshipping themselves and empowering themselves. Even the Amarrian scriptures state this, in different ways. Say that to an Amarrian however and you'll probably get a cold stare if not a sermon...
Given the evidence for the power of Amarrian religion, it makes sense that one of the most powerful men in null sec would take an interest in it and its effects - it's just logical.
I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well. |
Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
2
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Posted - 2017.06.16 19:32:55 -
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Ravana 729 wrote:I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well. .
You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity.
One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes. |
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Ravana 729
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2017.06.16 19:46:29 -
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Akkad Akaya wrote:Ravana 729 wrote:I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well. . You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity. One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes.
Well Akkad...can I call you Akkad now, or do you prefer ***hole now that you openly admit to your treachery? There's a lot more to this than karma. The war had been brewing months before we ever deployed. The Mittani listens to reason in most other cases, and baseliners are treated fairly and justly in our courts and stations - that's more than the Amarr Empire has ever done despite all of their other advancements. If the Imperium takes all of the good ideas from the Empires and destroys all of the bad ideas, that will make us the next inheritors of cluster primacy - and we can avoid all of the mistakes the Jovians made. Part of that is not taking one's self too seriously. I'd rather be child-like than stuffy and unyielding like the Amarrians. You watch old man, we're going to be the next Jovian empire, and you'll regret not staying on board with us. |
Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
2
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Posted - 2017.06.16 19:59:44 -
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Ravana 729 wrote:Akkad Akaya wrote:Ravana 729 wrote:I deployed to Providence. Many of us did not feel good about it, it is not the most rational war we have waged. It was a clean war though, there were few civilian casualties. The Amarrians fight well. . You were always such an intelligent guy Ravana, I can't understand why you have so little faith. All this and you cannot see the hand of the Lord in your Empire's embarrassing loss? Your entire nation was forced to flee its lands and retreat to Delve, only weeks after invading Providence. Providence is holy, protected by the hand of the almighty himself. Your corp name is called Karmafleet, the ancient concept of moral causality. Ironic that you don't even seem to take that seriously. The Imperium will never take the Amarr Empire because they are a nation of children run by children, with a manchild at the top of all of it who has adopted a father figure in dubious politically charged Max Singularity. One thing I'll say, at least they don't have a democracy. Everyone knows democracies lead to asymmetrical ships resembling tubers, household appliances or shoes. Well Akkad...can I call you Akkad now, or do you prefer ***hole now that you openly admit to your treachery? There's a lot more to this than karma. The war had been brewing months before we ever deployed. The Mittani listens to reason in most other cases, and baseliners are treated fairly and justly in our courts and stations - that's more than the Amarr Empire has ever done despite all of their other advancements. If the Imperium takes all of the good ideas from the Empires and destroys all of the bad ideas, that will make us the next inheritors of cluster primacy - and we can avoid all of the mistakes the Jovians made. Part of that is not taking one's self too seriously. I'd rather be child-like than stuffy and unyielding like the Amarrians. You watch old man, we're going to be the next Jovian empire, and you'll regret not staying on board with us.
Suggesting that you put your talents to better use in Khanid space was hardly treachery, and I believe even the Brutor value a good spy. Or are you more Society than Brutor? Do they not also value subterfuge? I would say so given their recent blundering attempt against her late majesty.
Either way, it was a necessary operation, and its necessity was made all the more clear when the unholy war against Providence was announced. I probably saved thousands of innocent lives, while you butchered hundreds of innocents - by your own admission. Or was that sullen drunken man I spoke to after the battle someone else - someone who glibly justified that inhumane war where you accidently killed three young children as "a clean war". I am truly sorry to learn you're so bitter about it. How irrational.
God is not a mere quantum field, Ravana, and you will pay for every immoral action you take - in this lifetime or the next, he is everywhere unseen by fools and the blind. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2109
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Posted - 2017.06.16 20:42:22 -
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Akkad Akaya wrote:he is everywhere unseen by fools and the blind.
So a cowardly little bastard, is he? Or is he one of those edgy little 'people in the shadows' styles of worthless? When he gets his finger out of his arse and shows his face to get it kicked in, he might become relevant. Until then, his very convenient absence from New Eden simply means his fanclub will have to be the target.
All that said, Provi vs Goons is pretty much a win/win for New Eden no matter which way that stuff goes. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4177
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Posted - 2017.06.16 23:51:06 -
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The Golden Serpent wrote: [The Imperium] remain just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as they were before the war, which caught fire on the heels of their **** of Providence.
A)You're right, we're just as much of a threat to the Amarr Empire as we were before the war last year: none. Just the same as we're no threat to any of the EmpiresGÇöwe've no intention of attacking any of them at this time. There's no reason to do so.
B)The attack on Providence was roughly two years ago. Your claim that the MBC's efforts 'caught fire on the heels' of it means it must have had some extremely long heels. We came home from Providence and spent another six weeks being idiots and making our own people hate using Entosis links because we traded Pure Blind back and forth between GSF, SMA, TNT, and others, repeatedly. Really, we did more to lose the war thenGÇöbefore it startedGÇöthan anyone else did to beat us.
Quote: Providence leadership including Cardinal Dex and Lord Jaden Noah (successor to Lady Trisha D'vaney) managed to fend them off bravely with the help of the 24th Imperial Crusade.[...]
The Mittani for converting to Max' version of our Amarrian religion [...]
The Imperium under The Mittani was lead against Providence, and I believe the blame lies squarely on Singularity's shoulders.
The Imperium engaged in combat exercises in Providence in order to test tactics and uses of the then-new Entosis shielding. Providence was selected because we expected their basic modelGÇöinvestment in significant orbital infrastructure, and significant industrial/harvesting activities supporting the region's combat-capabilityGÇöto be the direction New Eden would move in in the wake of the Entosis shielding becoming widespread. It's the same basic model we'd adopted years earlier. That prediction's been more or less born out.
Each alliance experimented with different methods of attack in order to have as many different examples to evaluate as possible. We planned for a campaign lasting one week We went home after a campaign of one week. At no point were we planning to stay. Provibloc fought like champs, but don't overplay that as 'fending us off'. There was never any real assault in force. It was a learning exercise, nothing more, and Provibloc benefited as much as we did.
Quote: Some reports say that The Mittani is trying to make amends for the unpopular move against Providence and has ordered his top leadership to refuse support to the Blood Raiders - I've run covert ops missions into Delve and can verify this publically, Imperium forces are not reinforcing any of the Blood Raider strategic locations and they are sourcing the desirable Machariel battleships from Caldari State corporations specializing in cloned versions of the ships, not the raider installations.
What this means is that there is a window of hope here to introduce The Imperium to the real meaning of Amarr religion - we need to expose Max Singularity for what he is - a Sani Sabik heretic whose fluffy do-gooder sentiments towards the tribals is only a cover for his virulent heresy. This heresy influences one of the most powerful men in the cluster who could otherwise be introduced to the true religion were it not for this dangerous heretic whispering in his ear.
You are an absolute idiot.
There is no attempt to 'make amends'. There has been no order to 'refuse support to the Blood Raiders'. There never needed to be any such order. They, like the Guristas in the north, have the misfortune of thinking they can fly freely in our space. And so, like the Guristas, they are dying in droves. Also, Machariels are produced by the Angel Cartel, not the Blood Raiders. The ship you're thinking of is the Bhaalgorn, and we're primarily sourcing the few we use (as well as our Ashimmus) from recovered technical data. Those poor Blood Raiders. Their older facilities are so fragile sometimes.
Max has no influence over our strategic decisions, and has never had any. He's a nice guy, and a lot of us like him on a personal level, but that's pretty much it. Your need to ascribe everything to religious idiocy is the desperate conjecture of someone who has no way of understanding the greater cluster in which she lives. |
Ravana 729
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2017.06.17 06:42:00 -
[35] - Quote
I was going to reply with "you seem like a smart guy, something something, are you sure she's yours" but that seemed a little below the belt.
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Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
3
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Posted - 2017.06.17 09:33:54 -
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Ravana 729 wrote:I was going to reply with "you seem like a smart guy, something something, are you sure she's yours" but that seemed a little below the belt.
Yes, it was. Of course I can see that you're feeling betrayed, and I know you value loyalty Ravana. So if it helps, it was complete chance that I ended up as your neighbor and unintentional. Usually we send all of the new capsuleers out to do service in the military, especially in dangerous operations.
We had a shortage of new capsuleers and I volunteered to investigate your corporation as a possible Equilibrium of Mankind cell. mention I this publicly so you can know it to be true. Any Ministry of Internal Order affiliate could verify it for you, as it is declassified information.
They turned out to be incompetent idiots who had nothing to do with the EOM leadership.
Whatever you are trying to do to "find yourself" or solutions for your people, in the Imperium, it's pretty clear that their leadership publicly advocates using women and children as target practice to test their weapons. That has always been an atrocity in the Amarr Empire no matter what their status was - slave or free.
I'm not sure what kind of utopia you think you're contributing to, but the society was wrong to sign off on your stint with the Imperium, like most of your decisions it was rash, reckless and emotionally motivated. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4183
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Posted - 2017.06.17 13:43:51 -
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Akkad Akaya wrote:Whatever you are trying to do to "find yourself" or solutions for your people, in the Imperium, it's pretty clear that their leadership publicly advocates using women and children as target practice to test their weapons. That has always been an atrocity in the Amarr Empire no matter what their status was - slave or free.
We do? News to me. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2545
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:45:19 -
[38] - Quote
I am very sure the Imperium isn't affiliated with the Amarr Empire, and that none of the nullsec entities except the CVA are affiliated with any of the Big Four. If you are going to make claims like that, show us some evidence.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
3
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Posted - 2017.06.17 22:12:43 -
[39] - Quote
You said it yourself in your own post, infidel.
Stations were being evacuated and Amarrian people, including Caldari and Gallente immigrants on those ships were being killed - women and children. Not only was it all over ACN I saw it myself in the aftermath when I brought medical help in from my system. Ravana himself was responsible for one of those evacuation ships being torn apart. I know of the opposing capsuleer myself - I've contacted him to see if he will speak here, we'll see if he responds.
I remember Singularity himself was in... what qualifies as a capsuleer state of anguish... about it - he swore he tried to minimize the risk to his own crew while going on this ridiculous, heretical hunt for her holiness' body. That was the official party line on the IGS at the time.
But the story that you were just testing your weapons, constitutes a violation of baseliner human rights. Did you forget to turn on your anti-sociopathy implant when you decided to take this official position?
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4187
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Posted - 2017.06.18 00:00:30 -
[40] - Quote
Akkad Akaya wrote:You said it yourself in your own post, infidel.
Stations were being evacuated and Amarrian people, including Caldari and Gallente immigrants on those ships were being killed - women and children.
A)None of the stations were endangered. We're not talking about Starbases, and Upwell structures weren't available yet. There was absolutely no reason for anyone to feel like non-combatants needed to evacuate.
B)No baseliner ships were targeted. No non-combatant baseliner ships could be targeted. So anyone evacuating was in no danger. I don't recall any freighters or jump freighters undocking during that campaign, eitherGÇöno need for itGÇöso the odds of people stowing away in cargo on a JF to 'escape' a situation that threatened none of their lives are... small. If non-combatants were attempting some idiotic and unnecessary evacuation in a capsuleer-piloted combat vessel, that is not our fault, and not our problem.
Quote:Ravana himself was responsible for one of those evacuation ships being torn apart. I know of the opposing capsuleer myself - I've contacted him to see if he will speak here, we'll see if he responds.
Since you've identified the vessel as a capsuleer's ship, that capsuleer, and no other, bears the responsibility for undocking in an active war zone with civilians on board. After all, are you seriously advocating we could roll a fleet into Provi unchallenged by saying 'we've got civilians on all our ships'?
Quote: But the story that you were just testing your weapons, constitutes a violation of baseliner human rights. Did you forget to turn on your anti-sociopathy implant when you decided to take this official position?
No more than any other act of warfare does. Entosis warfare does not endanger the structural stability of any stations. What few civilians are employed on TCUs and IHUBs have two full days to evacuate in an orderly fashion, and capsuleers cannot target baseliner non-combat vessels. Attempting to paint it as our atrocity when some idiot Provibloc capsuleer ignores the fact that any baseliner who needs to evacuate can do so safely and puts them onto a ship that can be targeted is... let's be nice and call it disingenuous. |
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Akkad Akaya
The Abrahadabra Institute
3
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Posted - 2017.06.18 05:00:34 -
[41] - Quote
You're lying to control the narrative. A little late for that, so I presume you're feebly trying to rewrite history.
The Empire intercepted the orders that were given. The FC's, capsuleers and baseliner soldiers of the Imperium were ordered to take the stations, set the docking fees to an exorbitant amount to trick capsuleers into draining their bank accounts, and "enjoy the spoils of war" - a direct quote from one of the top CEO's.
The CVA would have been irresponsible not to evacuate those stations having that intel. Do you really think that the CVA is going to leave women and children at the tender mercies of hardened enemy pirates dragging their filth and godless perversions through their sacred halls?
It was no secret the hatred the Imperium was fomenting in its "citizens" against the good people of Providence. One of the few times we ever saw a significant showing of the Imperium in the IGS was during that time - in order to mock the terrified people of Providence. Do I really need to drag this **** out and show it to you? It's on the public record, not only in the IGS but in news articles and public opinion.
You know very well **** and torture was not off the menu for many of your people once they had entered the holy stations of Providence. You can't control them, and what's more - you didn't even try. No reassurances were made in the public forum and no orders were intercepted that indicated it was going to be anything less than a bloodbath of **** and torture for citizens of Providence.
Your version of the war is psychotically clean and convenient.
I am near half a millenia old, but I remember every nuanced Sani Sabik cult that has ever existed during my life quite clearly, from the seed of the Blood Raiders to the Flame of Peace. When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about. The picture that your organization paints is that of a classic blooders cult in formation - yet an alarmingly large one. The lies, the hedonism, the sociopathy, the liberalism, the charismatic "saintly" figures, denial of Amarrian religious authority - it all adds up to paint a picture I know very well. |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1166
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Posted - 2017.06.18 09:17:57 -
[42] - Quote
Ravana 729 wrote:You watch old man, we're going to be the next Jovian empire, and you'll regret not staying on board with us.
Lord Above, I sure hope so.
If all other prayers in the cosmos go unanswered, let this one be heard.
Cardinal Graelyn
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2120
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Posted - 2017.06.18 09:24:34 -
[43] - Quote
Don't wish such ill upon New Eden, Gray. A bunch of ego-inflated psychopaths in eggs, rendering themselves sterile, desperate and through whatever divine intervention required for it, technologically superior?
... actually you know what? That'd be an apocalypse I'd watch with some popcorn. I'm with Gray here. |
Graelyn
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1166
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Posted - 2017.06.18 09:35:49 -
[44] - Quote
I was referring more to that pesky 'extinction' problem they're grappling with.
Cardinal Graelyn
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2120
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Posted - 2017.06.18 09:47:19 -
[45] - Quote
I'm more worried (and entertained) by the time period preceding that. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4187
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Posted - 2017.06.18 13:52:16 -
[46] - Quote
Akkad Akaya wrote:The Empire intercepted the orders that were given. The FC's, capsuleers and baseliner soldiers of the Imperium were ordered to take the stations, set the docking fees to an exorbitant amount to trick capsuleers into draining their bank accounts, and "enjoy the spoils of war" - a direct quote from one of the top CEO's.
The CVA would have been irresponsible not to evacuate those stations having that intel. Do you really think that the CVA is going to leave women and children at the tender mercies of hardened enemy pirates dragging their filth and godless perversions through their sacred halls?
Ah, the 'spoils of war' argument... that means the money, moron. What 'spoils' do you really think an organization like ours is going to focus on? Are you such an idiot that you think we were actually going to dock in any of those stations? That would have been a great way to get ourselves stuck, if not murdered by the residents. A few hundred crew vs the entire population of a station. Not good odds.
Quote: It was no secret the hatred the Imperium was fomenting in its "citizens" against the good people of Providence. One of the few times we ever saw a significant showing of the Imperium in the IGS was during that time - in order to mock the terrified people of Providence. Do I really need to drag this **** out and show it to you? It's on the public record, not only in the IGS but in news articles and public opinion.
Oh! It's in public opinion! Then it MUST be true! Because we all know that random idiots in New Eden know more about what's going on in the swarm that a member of the Directorate does! I know what was said on the IGSGÇöI was the principle person saying it.
Quote:You know very well **** and torture was not off the menu for many of your people once they had entered the holy stations of Providence.
Again with this idiotic assertion. Nobody was docking in the Providence stations. Docking in a nullsec station surrounded by enemies rather than going the 4 jumps back to lowsec is idiotic. What, do you think we brought armies of marines along to pacify the security and civilian populations of those stations? The entire point of the campaign was understanding the intricacies of Entosis Warfare. Incurring additional costs in order to maintain the kind of security presence needed to safely not get murdered by the mobs as soon as we decanted would have been even stupider than your entire diatribe.
And that's without even getting into the idea that we are a bunch of rapine torturers. You might want to curb the projection there, Amarr. We didn't maintain a largely mercantile empire in the north, and establish an even more mercantile empire in Delve, by being the kind of feral slaver hounds you want to make us out to be. That kind of behavior doesn't exactly lend itself to stable, well-socialized behavior within the swarm, either, you know.
Quote: I am near half a millenia old, but I remember every nuanced Sani Sabik cult that has ever existed during my life quite clearly, from the seed of the Blood Raiders to the Flame of Peace. When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about. The picture that your organization paints is that of a classic blooders cult in formation - yet an alarmingly large one. The lies, the hedonism, the sociopathy, the liberalism, the charismatic "saintly" figures, denial of Amarrian religious authority - it all adds up to paint a picture I know very well.
Then you're a four-hundred-plus year idiot.
The 'hedonism' within the Imperium is no more rampant than it is among any other population in the cluster. Yes, there are some people who get a little crazy. There are also a lot of us who work long days, every day, to make sure the wheels of society keep turning.
And 'liberalism'? What liberalism? This is an authoritarian socialist dictatorship.
As for 'sociopathy', I think you're confusing that with 'tribalism'. Within our society, we all generally get along about as well as members of any society do. Most of us tend to be relatively well-adjusted individuals. Sure, we don't necessarily extend those same social courtesies to those outside the 'tribe', but that's kind of the nature of societiesGÇöor are you going to call the Amarr Empire sociopathic because they don't extend the same courtesies and respect to the Republic that they do their own people?
I mean, if that's the hill you want to die on, great. But I really wouldn't advise it. After all, you're the moron who claimed that using women and children as target practice [. . . ] has always been an atrocity in the Amarr Empire no matter what their status was - slave or free." But you really seem to have forgotten such lovely moments as the extermination of Starkman PrimeGÇöan entire planet, within the Empire, killed in order to execute one man.
And remember, before you get on your high horse, that that action was not illegal, was not condemned by the Throne when it happened. In fact, the only statement that comes close to an official condemnation of it comes from the man who gave the order. And all he did was say 'ok, now that we've killed everyone on the planet... nobody's allowed to shoot anything on the planet'.
Yeah. There's some moral high ground for you. That's without even getting into the minor, but significant, distinction to be made between your example 'an atrocity in the Amarr Empire', ie: an internal matter of the Empire turning its weapons against its own people 'slave or free', and actions taken against an external population, such as... I don't know, the millions of unarmed women and children who were killed during the Amarr invasion of Matar. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
452
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Posted - 2017.06.18 18:03:34 -
[47] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: As for 'sociopathy', I think you're confusing that with 'tribalism'. Within our society, we all generally get along about as well as members of any society do. Most of us tend to be relatively well-adjusted individuals. Sure, we don't necessarily extend those same social courtesies to those outside the 'tribe', but that's kind of the nature of societiesGÇöor are you going to call the Amarr Empire sociopathic because they don't extend the same courtesies and respect to the Republic that they do their own people?
It can be argued about does your group fit the criteria of tribalism objectively and if it does what type of tribalism does it fit. Like for example does your members identify with their traditional groups like race, nation and culture or they are ingroup solely based on their political views and agendas.
Also, come on you identified yourself as amoral, so why are you going around moralizing again and again? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4188
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Posted - 2017.06.18 18:18:12 -
[48] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:It can be argued about does your group fit the criteria of tribalism objectively and if it does what type of tribalism does it fit. Like for example does your members identify with their traditional groups like race, nation and culture or they are ingroup solely based on their political views and agendas.
Also, come on you identified yourself as amoral, so why are you going around moralizing again and again?
Being amoral doesn't preclude an understanding of morality. He's the one who raised a moral objection. I'm simply pointing out that not only is his claim (that violence against the innocent is an atrocity within the Empire and would never be tolerated) patently false on the surface, the sheer scope and nature of the events that make it false give him no moral grounds to stand upon. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
453
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Posted - 2017.06.18 20:29:12 -
[49] - Quote
I agree it's all his fault, get him! You care too much about moral high ground while identifying as amoral, way too much. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4189
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Posted - 2017.06.18 23:11:19 -
[50] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:I agree it's all his fault, get him! You care too much about moral high ground while identifying as amoral, way too much.
I care about hypocrisy and accuracy. I'm sorry you don't understand that.
For example: your objection to the term 'tribalism' betrays a woefully simplistic view of the social dynamic involved. Tribalism isn't a singular, binary behavior pattern. People can display tribalist behavior on a number of axes at the same time. For example: an Amarr loyalist may display this type of 'us vs them' mentality toward non-Amarr. He can also, when no outsiders are present, engage in a more limited form of precisely the same mentality of tribalism toward other Amarr by receding into 'my corp vs all other Amarr corps', 'my House vs all other Houses', etc.
Similarly, capsuleers in nullsec can exhibit this same kind of behavior toward their affiliations with their alliance, while also displaying the same patterns of behavior on an ethnic basisGÇöthough usually, not at the same time. Nothing prevents human beings from holding multiple affiliations simultaneously. Most do, and simply work to minimize the conflict in loyalties. It's all a matter of which group they're identifying with in that moment. |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2378
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Posted - 2017.06.19 14:32:18 -
[51] - Quote
Akkad Akaya wrote: I am near half a millenia old, but I remember every nuanced Sani Sabik cult that has ever existed during my life quite clearly, from the seed of the Blood Raiders to the Flame of Peace. When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about.
Oh this is interesting.
I am quite sure that you have not infiltrated our Church. I think I would have noticed a dude's presence.
Unless you're having a laugh and suggesting we're not a nuanced cult.
Which is of course, a ludicrous proposition !
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
539
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Posted - 2017.06.19 14:45:28 -
[52] - Quote
Akkad Akaya wrote: When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about. So you're saying you're one of the most knowledgeable people as regards occult and heretical practices?
Queen of Chocolate
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4195
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Posted - 2017.06.19 15:19:25 -
[53] - Quote
Halcyon Ember wrote:Akkad Akaya wrote: When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about. So you're saying you're one of the most knowledgeable people as regards occult and heretical practices?
No, he's saying he's participated in more blooder rites than any of the others and he kept going back for more. |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2465
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Posted - 2017.06.19 18:03:22 -
[54] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:Akkad Akaya wrote: When I was still in the business I infiltrated nearly every mutation of this filthy cult and I know what I am talking about. So you're saying you're one of the most knowledgeable people as regards occult and heretical practices? No, he's saying he's participated in more blooder rites than any of the others and he kept going back for more. HERESY! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
456
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Posted - 2017.06.19 19:47:32 -
[55] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:I agree it's all his fault, get him! You care too much about moral high ground while identifying as amoral, way too much. I care about hypocrisy and accuracy. I'm sorry you don't understand that. For example: your objection to the term 'tribalism' betrays a woefully simplistic view of the social dynamic involved. Tribalism isn't a singular, binary behavior pattern. People can display tribalist behavior on a number of axes at the same time. For example: an Amarr loyalist may display this type of 'us vs them' mentality toward non-Amarr. He can also, when no outsiders are present, engage in a more limited form of precisely the same mentality of tribalism toward other Amarr by receding into 'my corp vs all other Amarr corps', 'my House vs all other Houses', etc. Similarly, capsuleers in nullsec can exhibit this same kind of behavior toward their affiliations with their alliance, while also displaying the same patterns of behavior on an ethnic basisGÇöthough usually, not at the same time. Nothing prevents human beings from holding multiple affiliations simultaneously. Most do, and simply work to minimize the conflict in loyalties. It's all a matter of which group they're identifying with in that moment. Revealing hypocrisy and pursuit of accuracy are not tied to moral based reasoning and can be achieved through purely pragmatic arguments devoid of moral overtones.
Now about tribalism. Your depiction of tribalism would be of subjective tribalism and will vary depending on persons ethos evaluation in specific frame of time and situation, objective tribalism would require more severe ties like racial kinship, cultural and historical semblance or uniformity than just personal agendas and ulterior motives. So if you are going with subjective tribalism as you put it "self/us and them" then I believe there is more fitting term for that - othering.
We both care about accuracy, I guess. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4198
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Posted - 2017.06.19 21:02:35 -
[56] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:Revealing hypocrisy and pursuit of accuracy are not tied to moral based reasoning and can be achieved through purely pragmatic arguments devoid of moral overtones.
It's kind of impossible to point out the hypocrisy in his assertions against atrocityGÇöitself a moral judgmentGÇöwithout demonstrating the holes in his morality-based position.
Quote: Now about tribalism. Your depiction of tribalism would be of subjective tribalism and will vary depending on persons ethos evaluation in specific frame of time and situation, objective tribalism would require more severe ties like racial kinship, cultural and historical semblance or uniformity than just personal agendas and ulterior motives. So if you are going with subjective tribalism as you put it "self/us and them" then I believe there is more fitting term for that - othering.
We both care about accuracy, I guess.
'Othering' is a ridiculous term like 'micro-aggression', and serves no purpose except to attempt to paint certain types of behavior as significantly different from the larger category to which they belong. I'll not use such nonsense, especially not when the issue was whether or not the behavior in question was pathological. It's not. It's a normal human behavior pattern.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2470
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Posted - 2017.06.20 03:00:06 -
[57] - Quote
I luv you. You say nice things.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
457
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Posted - 2017.06.20 13:07:54 -
[58] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Revealing hypocrisy and pursuit of accuracy are not tied to moral based reasoning and can be achieved through purely pragmatic arguments devoid of moral overtones. It's kind of impossible to point out the hypocrisy in his assertions against atrocityGÇöitself a moral judgmentGÇöwithout demonstrating the holes in his morality-based position. Why care about moral principles if one is amoral, even using term atrocity as you said is strange for an amoral that supposed to be indifferent. You simply don't fit the criteria of amoral, you do fit as a moralist tho.
Quote:Quote: Now about tribalism. Your depiction of tribalism would be of subjective tribalism and will vary depending on persons ethos evaluation in specific frame of time and situation, objective tribalism would require more severe ties like racial kinship, cultural and historical semblance or uniformity than just personal agendas and ulterior motives. So if you are going with subjective tribalism as you put it "self/us and them" then I believe there is more fitting term for that - othering.
We both care about accuracy, I guess.
'Othering' is a ridiculous term like 'micro-aggression', and serves no purpose except to attempt to paint certain types of behavior as significantly different from the larger category to which they belong. I'll not use such nonsense, especially not when the issue was whether or not the behavior in question was pathological. It's not. It's a normal human behavior pattern. Ordering things and specializing terms is the epitome of accuracy, you can not shove everything in to one term it makes things convoluted and inaccurate. You are either going for accuracy or generalizing, it's one or the other. Terms aren't ridiculous if they serve the purpose of specifying little differences from the larger category, refusing to use the word when it serves its purpose is just strange.
Saying I care about accuracy and then using broad terms is hypocritical btw. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4205
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Posted - 2017.06.20 14:15:54 -
[59] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote:Why care about moral principles if one is amoral, even using term atrocity as you said is strange for an amoral that supposed to be indifferent.
He used the term atrocity. Just because I don't hold to a set of morals doesn't mean I can't recognize when others do, and when their claimsGÇöbased on their own moral assertionsGÇöexplicitly contradict their claims of morality. I'd be very bad at being a pedantic jerk if I wasn't capable of working within their framework when arguing against them, now wouldn't I?
Quote:Ordering things and specializing terms is the epitome of accuracy, you can not shove everything in to one term it makes things convoluted and inaccurate.
A) You conflate 'accuracy' with 'precision'. Though often used as synonyms, there is a difference. For example: 'A Rokh is a ship' is an accurate statement. It's not a terribly precise statement, though. As a result...
Quote:You are either going for accuracy or generalizing, it's one or the other.
B) This is not an accurate statement.
Quote:Terms aren't ridiculous if they serve the purpose of specifying little differences from the larger category, refusing to use the word when it serves its purpose is just strange.
C) Were I attempting to specify little differences from the larger category, I would instead use clearer terms that don't involve assumptions made about what the reader will infer from the term itself. In doing so, I would avoiding using terms coined specifically to be pithy little labels that make the speaker/writer seem like more of an informed authority... like 'othering'.
Quote:Saying I care about accuracy and then using broad terms is hypocritical btw.
D) Do I even need to point out how this reads when stated by someone inaccurately claiming to care about accuracy? |
Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1249
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Posted - 2017.06.20 14:42:22 -
[60] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Red doesn't make a capsuleer a Blooder. Red is an attempt to show aggressiveness.
Nuh uh! I paint red stripes on my ships because it makes them go faster!
On a separate note..I'm actually rather fond of the fact that I know a neat little secret about Max Singularity's corporation.
But I ain't tellin'
He seems nice enough, and I guess our guys kind of like him for some reason (He's interesting!)
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4215
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Posted - 2017.06.20 14:56:16 -
[61] - Quote
Jason Galente wrote:On a separate note..I'm actually rather fond of the fact that I know a neat little secret about Max Singularity's corporation.
But I ain't tellin'
Is it the way they all install popcorn makers on the bridge of their ships?
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
459
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Posted - 2017.06.20 17:34:26 -
[62] - Quote
Arrendis wrote: He used the term atrocity. Just because I don't hold to a set of morals doesn't mean I can't recognize when others do, and when their claimsGÇöbased on their own moral assertionsGÇöexplicitly contradict their claims of morality. I'd be very bad at being a pedantic jerk if I wasn't capable of working within their framework when arguing against them, now wouldn't I?
Atrocity or not as an action it pursues certain goals, so if you are going with amoral stance the only thing that matters if that action achieved said goal and what consequences followed after it, so again it is always an option to make a purely pragmatic arguments devoid of morals.
Quote:A) You conflate 'accuracy' with 'precision'. Though often used as synonyms, there is a difference. For example: 'A Rokh is a ship' is an accurate statement. It's not a terribly precise statement, though. As a result... Yes yes, you can be precise but not accurate and precision is independent of accuracy. Accuracy is closeness to a standard of a known value in specific conditions. There is much to be said about the set of said specific conditions that will depend on the surroundings and the observer and raises a question of "one or many, many or one" but if we will go in to that we will deviate quite a bit.
Quote:B) This is not an accurate statement. On the contrary, it is not precise but it is accurate.
Quote:C) Were I attempting to specify little differences from the larger category, I would instead use clearer terms that don't involve assumptions made about what the reader will infer from the term itself. In doing so, I would avoiding using terms coined specifically to be pithy little labels that make the speaker/writer seem like more of an informed authority... like 'othering'. It is a specification of human behavior that you were making as an example, so I don't see anything wrong in using said term when it was made specifically for such use. Also coloring a term as "pithy little label" is giving it bad connotation when there is non, it's just a term.
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Maximillian Triton
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2017.06.20 17:40:37 -
[63] - Quote
There's a few of you here who need to submit yourselves for cerebral reconditioning, or biomass. Whichever works best.. If the Empire is woohoo cared foe by "God" then what the **** is going on in the Bleak Lands? Did the 24th Crusade forget they had a war to fight, or are the Minmatar that much better than the Empire? So Max Singularity seeks reform of the Empire, who cares? When was the last time an Emperor was legitimately chosen?
"One can never escape the glaring light of destiny, no matter how dark the hole they crawl into" ~ Commodore Maximillian Triton
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1081
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Posted - 2017.06.20 17:47:11 -
[64] - Quote
About ten months ago?
Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4218
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Posted - 2017.06.20 18:16:29 -
[65] - Quote
Ashlar Vellum wrote: Atrocity or not as an action it pursues certain goals, so if you are going with amoral stance the only thing that matters if that action achieved said goal and what consequences followed after it, so again it is always an option to make a purely pragmatic arguments devoid of morals.
Transparent desperation at this point, Vellum. Whether or not I care about the morality of the action is irrelevant to pointing out the hypocrisy of standing on moral principles while ignoring the blatant contradiction in his own position.
Quote:On the contrary, it is not precise but it is accurate.
As it's patently wrong, no, it's not accurate.
Quote:It is a specification of human behavior that you were making as an example, so I don't see anything wrong in using said term when it was made specifically for such use. Also coloring a term as "pithy little label" is giving it bad connotation when there is non, it's just a term.
I'm sure you see it that way.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
461
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Posted - 2017.06.21 16:05:06 -
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Arrendis wrote: Transparent desperation at this point, Vellum. Whether or not I care about the morality of the action is irrelevant to pointing out the hypocrisy of standing on moral principles while ignoring the blatant contradiction in his own position.
You are trying to find and accuse of a hidden purpose when there isn't one.
The thing about hypocrisy - it is tight to moral concepts, like for example lying aren't morally permissive or praised while hypocrisy is basically a lie about personal convictions. So why care about it at all if amorality postulates indifference to said concepts? No matter from what perspective tag of amorality is applied to your actions it simply does not fit, moral tag fits and immoral tag could fit and which one is more fitting in certain circumstances can be debated to ad nauseam probably.
Quote:I'm sure you see it that way. To be fair it is that way, descriptive in nature for the purpose of streamlining a concept in particular field.
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