No, not fuel. ISK.

Have the isk put into a 'holding' UI element for each structure, like fuel, and when that ISK runs out, the same thing happens as if regular fuel ran out.

This way you get poopy spammed and forgotten structures removed easier, and you get a huge ISK sink added to the game.

2nd edit: this should also really be over in Player Features and Ideashttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

there are fuel in the game already that would be cancelled with the "soon" to be removal of POS-¦s. By changing Citadels to be able use all fuel-blocks you can have these resources stay ingame easy. If you want an isk sink you could remove the bpo and only let npc-¦s sell bpc-¦s. This way it-¦s allot of change while leaving old ingame stuff allive (mats not pos).

Why not isk and fuel?

Also, hi sec POSes require charters; why do citadels not?

It's personal ISK that's increasing, not corporate owned ISK. This would really affects the private ISK reserves of smaller corps who have people paying the logistics bill out of their pocket. It would do nothing to people who are making tons of ISK in a large alliance.

100% behind this. I always felt it was ridiculous that an unfueled POS drops it's shield yet an unfueled citadel keeps tethering.

.

Simple: Structures should consume fuel regardless of fitted / online modules.

If the structure runs out of fuel, then the modules, teathering, and ALL invulnerability timers are lost. Thus you could remove a structure in a single sitting.

This will likely be required at some point to prevent HS from becoming literally clogged with structures. Also, this is the mechanic currently in place for POS so it makes since.

---

Make them consume stront in order to operate. With the removal of POS there will be a huge drop in stront demand that should be replaced by something.

Citadel didn't replace POS, it replaced POS AND Outpost

Outpost never required fuel

...

Have you thought about the greater implications of fuel demand to keep these citadels running?

the reaction jobs will require it

I doubt it will be big enough to replace the amounts needed for large POS.

Outposts were also limited to one per system. Have you thought about the greater implications of allowing dozens and hundreds of Upwell structures per system without any way of reducing the god-awful method of removing them? Or, perhaps, having to have your meatshields pay to have a lot of structures around trade hubs and drawing in billions of ISK would be a bit too much for you.

I bet they are already working on making it close......

Also, POS only needs stront when it gets hit, it doesn't actually "Use" stront

Citadel didn't replace POS, it replaced POS AND Outpost

Outpost never required fuel

So, if it does require fuel and I litter HS and put 10 years of fuel in them, would that be ok with you?

What about if it has online modules, would that then no longer require extra fuel?

Have you thought about the greater implications of fuel demand to keep these citadels running?

[quote=Kenneth Feld]


4) I've been doing industry **** involving towers for a decade. So yes, of course I have considered this. Read points 1 2 and 3 maybe you'll start to understand. Unless an insanely high fuel usage is placed on these Moon reaction modules (if it's even a separate module) there will be an overabundance of fuel blocks not being used. Again, you have to look at modules fuel usage, the vast majority of them require very little fuel once they are up and running compared to the number of towers they have replaced.

No such thing, fuel and stront will be part of the materials for reactions, the longer the reaction the more fuel, so it will be proportional to your reaction, not to the structure

The existing reactions will be converted to new blueprints that enable the reaction process in the new system, and new reactions will include small amounts of ice products in each run to compensate for the lower number of starbase towers needed for advanced industry.

Number, not length, but I knew what you were trying to say at least. However, that's part of the problem, even idle towers still consumed fuel if they weren't being actively used/reacting (an idiot forgets to fill/online the silos - I've never done this ever ever). This new plan by CCP is basically just consuming fuel only when needed, which would be akin to offlining a stick each time your reaction finished then onlining as soon as you've filled and onlined the silos. Basically lowering waste thus reducing fuel usage.

I digress, the problem is we don't know what these are likely to actually include nor amounts, we are all just making assumptions until data is released. All we can do is base our assumptions off what we have seen to date. Which is that they have been lowering the rate at which these consume fuel compared to their predecessors. So while we know they are adding ice products, we can predict it will likely be under the current consumption rate. All this still overlooks the fact that fuel blocks also take PI. Different PI than what is actually used in the manufacturing of these structures (which is a one off for each structures, not a consumed commodity).

After all is said and done we will very likely have excess materials after these changes are pushed through when what we need is more consumables and isk dumps. Adding a low fuel usage to tethering will not be the end of the world, but it will work towards adding to material consumption as well as bring some amount of balance to a very powerful mechanic.