Originally by: Victoria Dantezz

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LetÆs revisit the topic of risk vs. reward.

A hauler isn't an Amazing amount of reward, but can make descent money pretty quick depending on what it's hauling. This is balanced by the couple of BS's needed to smartbomb one into oblivion.

Now lets ramp this up... a Freighter can have up to a BIL + in it for reward. So why is the idea of needing 600mil in risk (30mil insurance and fit * 20 ships) so out of the question?

Is it just because itÆs logistically more difficult to do? A freighter is a logistically more rewarding target. So naturally it would take more 'risk' to get to the 'reward'.

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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my god boy stop spamming dead topics

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Originally by: Ki An

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The Solution
It's simple. Disallow freighters from entering high sec, just like all other capital ships. According to the item database, that is where freighters fall under, and as such they should be treated like what they are.
/Ki

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Originally by: Ki An

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Once again, according to the item database, and according to a lot of your fellow freighter pilots (at least as long as the argument fits them) they are.

All talk about exploits aside, freighters can't be made invulnerable in high sec. The solution on SiSi without banning freighters from high sec, makes them invulnerable.

/Ki

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Originally by: R3dSh1ft

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Basically, bulding capital ships is already long boring work with little profits, making freighters lowsec only would do this:

* Increase the price of Capital ships by around 40% to reflect the new amount of effort required to build one.

* Freighters would disappear from the game for all intents and purposes, except for a few 0.0 alliances with jump bridges.

* High sec ganking would still happen

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Originally by: Starfury Shang

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Originally by: Ki An

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The Solution
It's simple. Disallow freighters from entering high sec, just like all other capital ships. According to the item database, that is where freighters fall under, and as such they should be treated like what they are.
/Ki

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This may have been mentioned already but unlike all other 'Capital ships' Freighters do not have the ability to use a jump drive and have to fly gate to gate like non-capital ships.
Are you suggesting they should be given jump capabilities?

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Originally by: Spoon Thumb

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Having only read the post title

I think that this "solution" would have a series of quite radical effects on other areas of the game that might not be "good" that i don't think you've considered

Freighters are a key link to 0.0, and POS warfare. Remember, even if you can jump fuel form carriers in low sec, you have to collect all that POS fuel and take it in from high sec, low sec, wherever you buy it from NPC's. Not having freighters would make this process far more laborious, with far reaching consequences for 0.0 warfare.

There is the matter of flow of minerals into empire from outer regions. Remember megacyte can't be mined in empire anywhere (even in Grav exploration sites afaik). Again, freighters not being able to make those last few jumps into high sec from low sec or 0.0 or wherever would cause certain mineral prices in high sec to go through the roof

Many people train up freighter alts or for freighters for convenience. It is handy to have someone move all your stuff in 1 go when moving home in empire.

Freighters have a logistics role in Empire wars (concord sanctionned war dec's) and some people get more than enough combat in high sec empire, of which defending freighters and supply lines is a part of that

Finally, Freighters and industrials make the backbone of the complex Eve economy. In RL, if you stopped all oil tankers from sailing, and said everything had to be trucked around, the world economy would collapse in days or less and we'd probably all starve. No fun

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On the other side of the coin, allowing freighters to be invulnerable in high sec trade routes would disallow any for of disruption of alliances' logistics, and make it impossible to control the market by means of arms. This is as unacceptable as freighters popping left and right.

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Originally by: Ki An

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On the other side of the coin, allowing freighters to be invulnerable in high sec trade routes would disallow any for of disruption of alliances' logistics, and make it impossible to control the market by means of arms. This is as unacceptable as freighters popping left and right.

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Originally by: morgannax

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how about giving them a mid slot or 3 so they can equip a repper and maybe a cap charger

you still wont be able to mine in it,keeping most others happy and the freighter pilot has a chance of staying alive til concord shows up

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