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Simeon Snowlocke
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:34:37 -
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Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages people from just warping in at the end and killing the boss to get all the loot. A warp disruptor field that generates on drone spawn and stays active until the fight is over or all players leave the vicinity. Drop the end loot in a separate box based on who spawned and majority kill count. Whatever. But the people you are trying to recruit to sub, i.e. those that aren't flying around in the 7 year old T3 ships with 20K SP on their toon, aren't really digging this loot thieving. This might be turning me off the entire game. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
261
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:44:06 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages people from just warping in at the end and killing the boss to get all the loot. A warp disruptor field that generates on drone spawn and stays active until the fight is over or all players leave the vicinity. Drop the end loot in a separate box based on who spawned and majority kill count. Whatever. But the people you are trying to recruit to sub, i.e. those that aren't flying around in the 7 year old T3 ships with 20K SP on their toon, aren't really digging this loot thieving. This might be turning me off the entire game.
If this turns you off then EVE probably isn't the game for you, you just need to do more damage than the other person or find out of the way sites to run, the sites don't belong to anyone hence the game doesn't "protect" anything, welcome to healthy competition, even if the wreck were to be flagged to you, people would just steal the loot because hey know you won't fight for it :P
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Forgot something important
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Simeon Snowlocke
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2017.06.17 10:53:16 -
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I actually would be willing to do something if I wasn't going to get worked by Concord for doing it. |
Mister McQueen
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
21
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Posted - 2017.06.17 11:02:40 -
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Set your safety to green (or yellow), let them steal your loot & go suspect then scram them. |
ISD Stall
ISD STAR
45
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Posted - 2017.06.17 11:16:13 -
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These sites work as they are intended. The loot belongs to the person who kills the ship. If you find that this is happening a lot you may want to adjust your ship use. Find something that complete the sites in a shorter amount of time, or a ship that can move quickly. Wait for them to kill the final NPC, steal the loot yourself and get out of their scram range.
If they play dirty, you should too.
ISD Stall
Support Training and Resources (STAR)
Community Communications Liaison (CCL)
Interstellar Services Department.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3531
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Posted - 2017.06.17 11:30:19 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:I actually would be willing to do something if I wasn't going to get worked by Concord for doing it. You won't if they steal from you and go suspect.
Pre-lock the potential thief before they steal the loot and be ready to activate your point as soon as they go yellow. CONCORD has no problem with you locking up other players in highsec. If they time it perfectly they might still get away, but you have a decent shot at scrambling them and teaching them a lesson.
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Why Do They Gank?
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35246
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Posted - 2017.06.17 11:46:54 -
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Cluster is full of dirty pirate scum. But you can claim moral victory.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
4044
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Posted - 2017.06.17 12:00:14 -
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The solution is longer sites with mini bosses along the way. So even if someone steals the final boss you get some mini boss loot. Unless they contest you the entire site, in which case unfortunate, but it wasn't a last minute steal. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2543
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Posted - 2017.06.17 12:15:02 -
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Run the sites in lowsec so you can shoot the pirate scum.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3210
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Posted - 2017.06.17 13:31:54 -
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highsec exploration involves a lot of contested sites. I suggest flying a ship that has a good chance at getting the final blow, and a prop mod so you can get to the wreck quickly. These are public sites anyone can do them.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1898
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Posted - 2017.06.17 13:38:46 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Cluster is full of dirty pirate scum. But you can claim moral victory.
Losers of fights always claim a moral victory.
MEANWHILE THIS JUST IN: LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT, OF YOURS!
Working as intended, nothing to see here.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35252
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Posted - 2017.06.17 13:51:56 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote: MEANWHILE THIS JUST IN: LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT, OF YOURS!
Until another pirate comes and steals it from you. Haha!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28433
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Posted - 2017.06.17 13:56:39 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages people from just warping in at the end and killing the boss to get all the loot. A warp disruptor field that generates on drone spawn and stays active until the fight is over or all players leave the vicinity. Drop the end loot in a separate box based on who spawned and majority kill count. Whatever. But the people you are trying to recruit to sub, i.e. those that aren't flying around in the 7 year old T3 ships with 20K SP on their toon, aren't really digging this loot thieving. This might be turning me off the entire game. Why? There are no instances in this game; any PvE site, including those already occupied by others, is open to anybody that wishes to run it.
If someone kills the final ship, the loot is technically theirs; unless you can steal it before they can scoop it, whereupon it becomes technically yours.
I use the word technically because it's not actually yours until it's safely in your hangar.
In other news, and vaguely on topic...
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
52
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:00:25 -
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go in null. People will join you to help doing the site faster.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/62977946/ |
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
116
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:39:29 -
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Nah. The real scumbags are the people like me who will link you the items looted so that you can know what it is you missed out on. Sometime i exagerate, and link a Nyx skin when I shouldn't, but, some people don't seem to like that at all... |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35252
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Posted - 2017.06.17 14:41:52 -
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This points alpha players somewhat in a scummy direction. To steal all your loot.
But these are opportunities they have.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28439
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Posted - 2017.06.17 16:32:49 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:Nah. The real scumbags are the people like me who will link you the items looted so that you can know what it is you missed out on. Sometime i exagerate, and link a Nyx skin when I shouldn't, but, some people don't seem to like that at all... You have come far young padawan.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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erg cz
ErgoDron
588
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Posted - 2017.06.17 17:00:57 -
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Sites themselves are totaly easy. If there would be no competition with other players they will be so boring repetitive... Get some medium guns with high alpha strike (like 720mm arty) and make sure you shoot in the right moment, so it will be your wreck + get close to the boss so you can loot him immediately. I think Geckos and some missiles works too.
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Aedaxus
Digital Zone Corp
85
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Posted - 2017.06.17 17:09:37 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages _people_ from _just warping in at the end_ and _killing the boss to get all the loot_. Hey, that sounds like the "CCP, you need to put in some mechanic that discourages the 1%ers from having low or zero risk and getting phat lewt." There is a lot of posts that are the same. I think this is a realistic game, just like in RL the good honest people have to work hard so the bad dishonest pigs can buy another jet to sip champagne in. If I were a pig, I'd get my shiny curly tailed behind into the CSM to make sure the good honest hard working players don't mislead CCP into nerfing certain things.
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LUBI MOJA
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.06.17 17:51:53 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages people from just warping in at the end and killing the boss to get all the loot. A warp disruptor field that generates on drone spawn and stays active until the fight is over or all players leave the vicinity. Drop the end loot in a separate box based on who spawned and majority kill count. Whatever. But the people you are trying to recruit to sub, i.e. those that aren't flying around in the 7 year old T3 ships with 20K SP on their toon, aren't really digging this loot thieving. This might be turning me off the entire game. It's your fault if you think the loot is yours. Loot is defined by max dps done on the last npc spawned, that's it. And no one is stealing anything but the person who does most dps on last npc wins the prize, so it's you who is stealing it, if it is not your wreck.
Get a better ship, do more dps and you'll get the prize.
When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, burn the house down, with lemons-üGäó
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Sol epoch
Aliastra Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2017.06.17 17:52:04 -
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Aedaxus wrote:Simeon Snowlocke wrote:Seriously CCP, you need to put in some mechanism that discourages _people_ from _just warping in at the end_ and _killing the boss to get all the loot_. Hey, that sounds like the "CCP, you need to put in some mechanic that discourages the 1%ers from having low or zero risk and getting phat lewt." There is a lot of posts that are the same. I think this is a realistic game, just like in RL the good honest people have to work hard so the bad dishonest pigs can buy another jet to sip champagne in. If I were a pig, I'd get my shiny curly tailed behind into the CSM to make sure the good honest hard working players don't mislead CCP into nerfing certain things.
Nice stealth campaigning for the next CSM +1
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Sol epoch
Aliastra Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2017.06.17 17:53:05 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:Nah. The real scumbags are the people like me who will link you the items looted so that you can know what it is you missed out on. Sometime i exagerate, and link a Nyx skin when I shouldn't, but, some people don't seem to like that at all...
You are a very naughty boy!
Keep up the good work. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
250
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:12:30 -
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You can always ask what you did wrong after getting loot stolen/ losing the engagement after shooting the thief. Most of the time pvp'ers will teach others how to get better (tougher targets- better content).
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1608
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:26:28 -
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Well I had a plan. To go at it slightly differently and a bit of a white knight but an evil bastard one.
Take your veteran T3, preferably with a cloak, find the names of people complaining in local and ask them through pms for player name and ship type, then adjust your own ship accordingly. You know that this person will lose sites so ask them to team up with you. Let them run the content and sit cloaked right by the gate ready to pounce on the unsuspecting. The thief rolls in ready to steal at a moments notice, u see ship and probable fit, wait, then when your new bro best bud says last spawn you activate gate and warp in knowing the thief will likely steal said loot either way. And if you time it right you simply land, scram and go to town on the thief.
I like picking on the people that pick on people for some reason. Oh and the salt is WAAAAY better when they are "leet" pvpers and you are a scrub "minah!!"
No finer or juicier salt in the world!!
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28441
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:46:33 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Well I had a plan. To go at it slightly differently and a bit of a white knight but an evil bastard one. Take your veteran T3, preferably with a cloak, find the names of people complaining in local and ask them through pms for player name and ship type, then adjust your own ship accordingly. You know that this person will lose sites so ask them to team up with you. Let them run the content and sit cloaked right by the gate ready to pounce on the unsuspecting. The thief rolls in ready to steal at a moments notice, u see ship and probable fit, wait, then when your new bro best bud says last spawn you activate gate and warp in knowing the thief will likely steal said loot either way. And if you time it right you simply land, scram and go to town on the thief. I like picking on the people that pick on people for some reason. Oh and the salt is WAAAAY better when they are "leet" pvpers and you are a scrub "minah!!" No finer or juicier salt in the world!! And then....
You steal the loot
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Feyd's Survival Pack
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
53
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Posted - 2017.06.17 18:56:41 -
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Blade Darth wrote:You can always ask what you did wrong after getting loot stolen/ losing the engagement after shooting the thief. Most of the time pvp'ers will teach others how to get better (tougher targets- better content). Most of the time in HS the peole getting ninja'd does not understand this is a race. |
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
438
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Posted - 2017.06.17 19:49:42 -
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guigui lechat wrote:Blade Darth wrote:You can always ask what you did wrong after getting loot stolen/ losing the engagement after shooting the thief. Most of the time pvp'ers will teach others how to get better (tougher targets- better content). Most of the time in HS the peole getting ninja'd does not understand this is a race. A race where only the last second matters (the player who gets the last hit gets the reward) and the most effective strategy is to let others do the work of grinding through the rats and then steal their reward. (Warp between occupied sites in a fast arty ship and get the last hit on bosses.)
So hardcore. Much skill. Very 1337.
Its an event designed for griefers and lazy players. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
2943
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Posted - 2017.06.17 20:02:36 -
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Simeon Snowlocke wrote:...This might be turning me off the entire game. You shouldn't let it.
Adapt and overcome, or just let it go and don't bother with it in some cases.
For this drone event, newer players could group up and run sites together. Put afterburners on frigates. Be fast and nimble and look into the game mechanics involved. Chances are one of you will survive and get away with the loot. One site's loot might buy a few fitted frigates with plenty left over...
This game can be a lot of fun, or horribly ragequit-induccing.
Really, it's up to you.
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Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
250
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Posted - 2017.06.17 20:07:33 -
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Sensor boosted, alpha strike, hyperspatial rigged ships have close to 0 combat ability and you both gonna be 2 km from the can, trying to loot it. Well into scram and web range, too close for an arty ship to be.
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Vanessa Celtis
Vanessa Atalanta
20
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Posted - 2017.06.17 22:40:16 -
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You are seeing here only the tip of the Iceberg of this game. You must adapt, improvise, find solutions, think, plan, act. This game is War and in wars you must learn when to run, when to hide, when to observe, when to spy and when to strike. If your experience is still low and SP below 1 year you are a prey and you must learn to hide and run. Later you will learn how to chase others and even better chase and kill those who chase the weak. This is the greatest fun.
Stick around and learn ! In time you will get more confident, understand he game mechanics, then bate the greedy and kill them. |
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