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Dorian Tormak P0ON 15	Posted - 2011.12.31 05:50:00 - [1] - Quote it sucks so bad so bad Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
Gritz1 Ice Fire Warriors 22	Posted - 2011.12.31 06:04:00 - [2] - Quote This thread sucks.
Dorian Tormak P0ON 15	Posted - 2011.12.31 06:24:00 - [3] - Quote Gritz1 wrote: This thread sucks. well it was good enough for you to post in your dirty brown kid Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 42	Posted - 2011.12.31 06:55:00 - [4] - Quote u mad? The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
Armagadon Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.31 07:26:00 - [5] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Dorian+Tormak#losses
Armagadon Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.31 07:30:00 - [6] - Quote Armagadon wrote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Dorian+Tormak#losses try killing or get kill in null before talking your major activity in in low sec lol
Bella Rugente GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2011.12.31 07:31:00 - [7] - Quote Obvious operator error.
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 82	Posted - 2011.12.31 10:19:00 - [8] - Quote He has a point you know. If it's not a DBRB fleet, PvP in Null sucks. True story that.
Guillieme Lohran The Mushroom Farm 2	Posted - 2011.12.31 14:04:00 - [9] - Quote It is these well reasoned and informative threads that keep me coming back to the forums. Cool story bro.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 252	Posted - 2011.12.31 15:26:00 - [10] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: u mad? thread over
tofucake prime The Hatchery Team Liquid 25	Posted - 2011.12.31 15:58:00 - [11] - Quote die in ec- -> clearly null pvp sucks -.-
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 260	Posted - 2011.12.31 17:35:00 - [12] - Quote tofucake prime wrote: die in ec- -> clearly null pvp sucks -.- xD what a n00b
Dorian Tormak P0ON 26	Posted - 2011.12.31 18:25:00 - [13] - Quote Killstealing wrote: tofucake prime wrote: die in ec- -> clearly null pvp sucks -.- xD what a n00b no the dramiel pilot who got blowed up was a noob i was the pro taking on a gate camp but all this ** has nothing to do with my thread so here is why null-sec sucks because it is ***** EMPTY well except for goonswarm and whatever else is there Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1049	Posted - 2012.01.01 06:22:00 - [14] - Quote Dorian Tormak wrote: because it is ******* EMPTY well except for goonswarm and whatever else is there Empty except for what's there.... isn't that... uhh... kind of true of everywhere. Except for the chairs in the room, there was nowhere to sit.... Except for the toilets in the room, there was nowhere to shit....
Suzu Fujibayashi Happy Dudes 1	Posted - 2012.01.01 16:16:00 - [15] - Quote OP is right. If you are some systems away from the entrance systems there is almost nothing to be found. And you can fly around pretty unhampered. Which is quite boring.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 19	Posted - 2012.01.02 00:06:00 - [16] - Quote Confirmed: Nullsec is almost empty.
Herman Klaus Touched By Klaus 39	Posted - 2012.01.02 02:43:00 - [17] - Quote What is this rubbish?
VIP Ares BALKAN EXPRESS 22	Posted - 2012.01.02 06:58:00 - [18] - Quote Seriosuly, go to high sec and PVP there then
W1sp3r Methodical Destruction The Methodical Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.01.05 23:23:00 - [19] - Quote Dorian Tormak wrote: it sucks so bad so bad So what your saying is...... Your PvP skills in null suck, so bad, so bad...
Metal Icarus xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire 76	Posted - 2012.01.05 23:40:00 - [20] - Quote Judging from your losses, you really have NO IDEA how much null sec pvp can really suck... especially when PL is on your left and NC is on your right. (ok we got him tackled... HE'S GOT A CYNO! RUN!!!! .........**) we ppl that are in the way of these giant pwnmoblies are like little tear factories that they come and harvest from everyday. Ratting? Don't even think about it. They bookmarked your site. Fresh spawn? its bookmarked. Got a gang of drakes that you are going to roam in? They will drop 10 titans on you and laugh in local and call you ***. I think they call that being between a rock and hard place... and that place is sticky and sweaty and it has a nipple where you stick your tear ducts onto where your tears are harvested like veldspar for Chribba. I wish I were you.... To be ignorant of these things.... it hurts.... so much.....
Fras Siabi Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 31	Posted - 2012.01.06 01:17:00 - [21] - Quote You could always go to Fountain and shoot a few rounds into our ratters there. They'll probably fight back. Have we lost Fountain yet?
Dradius Calvantia Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle 213	Posted - 2012.01.06 03:07:00 - [22] - Quote Confirming that Fountain is pretty much the only place where you can catch nullbears who do not logoffski as soon as local bumps. Also, they will indeed fight back but the response ranges from: 1. Undock BCs one at a time to die off station 2. Bridge a 300 man fleet behind you and try to bait with a fleet comped with more logi than you have ships
Fade Azura Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 82	Posted - 2012.01.06 03:24:00 - [23] - Quote if you dont like it then try something else. make a corp and wardec a bunch of people in highsec ... go to lowsec and camp the pipelines ... go scan down WH and catch people doing sites ... lots of other pvp in the game besides nullsec.
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous 30	Posted - 2012.01.06 06:51:00 - [24] - Quote Dorian, why I never see you in Siseide anymore. )': Also, confirming 0.0 PvP sucks unless you're in a Muninn and your FC is Elo Knight and you are shooting noobs over and over and over and over and over again. :nods:
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 250	Posted - 2012.01.06 08:21:00 - [25] - Quote Vordak Kallager wrote: Also, confirming 0.0 PvP sucks unless you're in a Muninn and your FC is Elo Knight and you are shooting noobs over and over and over and over and over again. :nods: sup?
St Mio Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 284	Posted - 2012.01.06 08:38:00 - [26] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Vordak Kallager wrote: Also, confirming 0.0 PvP sucks unless you're in a Muninn and your FC is Elo Knight and you are shooting noobs over and over and over and over and over again. :nods: sup? Cern Tiamat = best FC ever. C/D?
Death Toll007 Fleet of Doom 20	Posted - 2012.01.06 08:41:00 - [27] - Quote Metal Icarus wrote: Defined what sucks about null sec PvP What is awesome about null though is the same... you just never know. Sometimes you get the short end of the stick, sometimes you are the beat stick of another's eve nightmare. Worst part of the game is still sov mechanics... only issue is I really do not know what can be done to fix it. Just a crazy stab though: why have sov at all? ...hmmm will have to post something in a more relevant thread/forum to this effect. -DT
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 239	Posted - 2012.01.06 09:00:00 - [28] - Quote " null-sec pvp sucks" Funny thing is that one can remove the "PvP" and that statement would still be true! Completely unbiased, fair and balanced personal opinion: Null PvP should be renamed to FCvFC as target calling, fleet make-up and arranging for a Titan-bridge/hot-drop are the deciding factors .. calling it PvP is like calling Uwe Boll's movies "art".
Vordak Kallager Autocannons Anonymous 31	Posted - 2012.01.06 09:03:00 - [29] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Vordak Kallager wrote: Also, confirming 0.0 PvP sucks unless you're in a Muninn and your FC is Elo Knight and you are shooting noobs over and over and over and over and over again. :nods: sup? <3
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 251	Posted - 2012.01.06 10:27:00 - [30] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Completely unbiased, fair and balanced personal opinion: Null PvP should be renamed to FCvFC as target calling, fleet make-up and arranging for a Titan-bridge/hot-drop are the deciding factors .. calling it PvP is like calling Uwe Boll's movies "art". You have literally 0 kills in 0.0 as far back as I cared to look (10 months).
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 240	Posted - 2012.01.06 11:12:00 - [31] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Hirana Yoshida wrote: Completely unbiased, fair and balanced personal opinion: Null PvP should be renamed to FCvFC as target calling, fleet make-up and arranging for a Titan-bridge/hot-drop are the deciding factors .. calling it PvP is like calling Uwe Boll's movies "art". You have literally 0 kills in 0.0 as far back as I cared to look (10 months). And that affects the validity of my claim how exactly? Ever considered that I might gasp posses more than character? Never made it any secret that Veshta Yoshida is the elder sister in the family. Have to go back a while as I got out of null (when FW kicked off) before it devolved into pure blobbing and became just 2-3 blocs .. you know back when 'neighbour' didn't mean everyone on left or right of a central line drawn across the entirety of the Eve map
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 251	Posted - 2012.01.06 11:42:00 - [32] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: And that affects the validity of my claim how exactly? Ever considered that I might gasp posses more than character? My highly effective and wide-ranging spy network told me Veshta was your main, but you mostly gave up on TQ to play on the China server. While you were gone, you missed out on at least 2 FOTM shifts and the small-gang renaissance in NPC null after the collapse of so many sov alliances. Ofc, the knock-on effects of the anom nerf eventually caught up and depopulated 0.0, but it was nice while it lasted. Anyway, if you're throwing up nullsec PvP as FCvsFC, lowsec would fall under that header as well, given that 80% of what goes on in a gangfight in nullsec also happens in lowsec. Or are you seriously claiming that bubbles, bombs and lack of GCC remove all individual skill from PvP?
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 240	Posted - 2012.01.06 12:48:00 - [33] - Quote Nope just on Vesh and never went to China .. couldn't be arsed .. was active on FHC's forum though. Been semi-active in FW the whole time. Individual skill ceases to be of import as numbers increase. When exactly the change from PvP to FCvFC happens depends on ship sizes, but generally speaking (as in average) around 30-40 mixed fleet or so in my experience. Essentially when the fleet/gang becomes able to one-volley any subcap, the function of the individual becomes one of pressing a button when told to by the FC.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 27	Posted - 2012.01.07 02:41:00 - [34] - Quote My first two ventures to nullsec were terrible. Now I live in Stain. There's always something happening here, and no sov. BS ever (though I did somehow get talked into shooting a small POS tonight... but that's another story) My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 251	Posted - 2012.01.07 04:38:00 - [35] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: When exactly the change from PvP to FCvFC happens depends on ship sizes, but generally speaking (as in average) around 30-40 mixed fleet or so in my experience. Essentially when the fleet/gang becomes able to one-volley any subcap, the function of the individual becomes one of pressing a button when told to by the FC. So basically it's not some mythical low/null divide, but rather numbers? Gotcha.
Jafit McJafitson Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 105	Posted - 2012.01.07 04:47:00 - [36] - Quote Smiling Menace wrote: He has a point you know. If it's not a DBRB fleet, PvP in Null sucks. True story that. Are there two DBRBs?
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 286	Posted - 2012.01.07 05:00:00 - [37] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Individual skill ceases to be of import as numbers increase. I've been thinking about this quote for a while (a short while, I admit). I agree, one person screwing up usually doesn't harm the entire fleet, unless that person is in one of the few key roles. However if half of the fleet are idiots, it will die in a fire pretty rapidly. Yes, EVE is not a particularly high-skill game (compared to, say, fighting games or some FPSs); at least in the kind of circumstances we're talking about. But I wonder, is that even possible? Can you give an example of a mechanic from an existing game (or even make one up) where you can have 100 people fighting together, and still have the individual skill of every person have a major impact? To me, this would very easily lead to situations (I heard are) common in LoL and similar games: one person screws up and brings the whole team down. And with the number of people participating in EVE fights, the chances of one person screwing up - even unintentionally - are very high.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 251	Posted - 2012.01.07 23:21:00 - [38] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: To me, this would very easily lead to situations (I heard are) common in LoL and similar games: one person screws up and brings the whole team down. And with the number of people participating in EVE fights, the chances of one person screwing up - even unintentionally - are very high. Fights in LoL are well within the realm of what we call "small gang" in EVE, 5 on 5 at most. But don't worry, it's entirely possible for one person being terrible to cause an entire fleet to welp; my personal favorite all the logis being in one wing, which was then wing-warped to wrong location and bubbled while everyone else in the fleet DIAF w/o reps.
Dessau 8	Posted - 2012.01.08 01:59:00 - [39] - Quote Got dead in Fountain today. Great death, would die again.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 245	Posted - 2012.01.08 13:24:00 - [40] - Quote Abdiel Kavash wrote: ...But I wonder, is that even possible?... Wonder no more, for it doesn't exist. The problem I have with null pew at present is that CCP, despite professing their love for the small scale/skirmishing, have made it not only blob friendly but managed to make the blob mandatory .. primarily through the use of EHP grind mechanics. It blobbing kicked off when they introduced POS + Sov, and every aspect since then has added more EHP to grind .. capitals, stations+services, TCU, SBU and now POCO's. According to the blogs preceeding Dominion it was their intention to spread things out, but development was cut short for whatever reason. Lose the EHP grind mechanics and blobs will scatter as they become redundant .. especially if EHP mechanics gets replaced with some form of objective based system covering a larger area (hint: rip-off Incursion). Until that hallowed day, Null-sec PvP will suck for everyone but coffin pilots who still have some autonomy and can thus bring individual skill to bear.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1152	Posted - 2012.01.08 20:20:00 - [41] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Abdiel Kavash wrote: ...But I wonder, is that even possible?... Wonder no more, for it doesn't exist. The problem I have with null pew at present is that CCP, despite professing their love for the small scale/skirmishing, have made it not only blob friendly but managed to make the blob mandatory .. primarily through the use of EHP grind mechanics. It blobbing kicked off when they introduced POS + Sov, and every aspect since then has added more EHP to grind .. capitals, stations+services, TCU, SBU and now POCO's. According to the blogs preceeding Dominion it was their intention to spread things out, but development was cut short for whatever reason. Lose the EHP grind mechanics and blobs will scatter as they become redundant .. especially if EHP mechanics gets replaced with some form of objective based system covering a larger area (hint: rip-off Incursion). Until that hallowed day, Null-sec PvP will suck for everyone but coffin pilots who still have some autonomy and can thus bring individual skill to bear. Incursions work because there's a reward for limiting your fleet size. If there were a flat 10m/pilot you can cram into the site, fleets of rifters big enough to blot out the sun. PvP is like that. The goal is to do it faster (thus safer), so anything a small gang can do, a large gang can do faster, and can scare off attackers.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 245	Posted - 2012.01.08 20:32:00 - [42] - Quote Incursions won't work as a straight copy obviously, but the mechanic can be used to rethink the whole sov system. I was mainly referring to the constellation wide conflict over control of what is in essence a single system (staging system). With 1k pilots available and 20+ events happening in 5-7 systems, you'd need some serious organizational mojo to blob as is possible today. We have tried all the various combination possible in spreading out fights within a single system over the years, and it always ends the same .. keep pouring in pilots until one side runs out of meat.
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 1152	Posted - 2012.01.08 20:48:00 - [43] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Incursions won't work as a straight copy obviously, but the mechanic can be used to rethink the whole sov system. I was mainly referring to the constellation wide conflict over control of what is in essence a single system (staging system). With 1k pilots available and 20+ events happening in 5-7 systems, you'd need some serious organizational mojo to blob as is possible today. We have tried all the various combination possible in spreading out fights within a single system over the years, and it always ends the same .. keep pouring in pilots until one side runs out of meat. That would be POS sov, with stations granting Constellation control. Unless you do away with timers (hurting everyone too small to have a heavy 24hr presence), the attackers are likely to mass their attack on one target. A while later, the defense masses in the same spot. Pitched battles are how wars between remotely comparable opponents are fought and won (at least where there's infrastructure at stake). EVE is very Clausewitzian like that. Raiding parties to destroy materiel only work in the real world because you can achieve total surprise, and blow everything up. But that's no fun for the defender who wakes up to his city in shambles.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 253	Posted - 2012.01.08 21:30:00 - [44] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: We have tried all the various combination possible in spreading out fights within a single system over the years, and it always ends the same .. keep pouring in pilots until one side runs out of meat. Because if you win the fight and hold the field, the actual mechanics of how to grind sov are totally irrelevant. And numbers are a big part of winning fights, so...
Alaric Faelen Aquila Venatici Bringers of Death. 39	Posted - 2012.01.11 03:45:00 - [45] - Quote Eve can be too big for it's own good sometimes. It's just spread out with a large amount of stuff to do. Hence, people are out there, but refuse to fight. They don't have to, really. If you see local blow up suddenly, you can simply go somewhere else and do the same thing unmolested. Or, alternatively you can often just switch efforts and find solitude too. Eve's gameworld is so large with so much content, that there isn't much worth fighting over when you can just hop a couple gates over where local has been empty all day. Jump into a WH and find 20 dudes already there in battle cruisers? you just pop back out and scan down one of the other 2499 WH in the game..... Too often I'll jump into low sec to do PI in a hauler- and the three in local beat feet before I uncloak at the gate! They aren't even cowards- just no reason to fight for a spot when there are literally hundreds more totally empty at any given time.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 260	Posted - 2012.01.11 04:30:00 - [46] - Quote Alaric Faelen wrote: Too often I'll jump into low sec to do PI in a hauler- and the three in local beat feet before I uncloak at the gate! They aren't even cowards- just no reason to fight for a spot when there are literally hundreds more totally empty at any given time. EVE is too big for US and AU TZ, too small for EU/RUS TZ.
Constantinee Nex Exercitus Raiden. 15	Posted - 2012.01.11 07:41:00 - [47] - Quote last time i went to lowsec i was bridged on....thats my only issue there. Really wish titans could only bridge in 0.0.... Constantinee video archive. http://www.youtube.com/user/Constvids?feature=mhee
March rabbit Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx 107	Posted - 2012.01.11 12:54:00 - [48] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: " null-sec pvp sucks" Funny thing is that one can remove the "PvP" and that statement would still be true! Completely unbiased, fair and balanced personal opinion: Null PvP should be renamed to FCvFC as target calling, fleet make-up and arranging for a Titan-bridge/hot-drop are the deciding factors .. calling it PvP is like calling Uwe Boll's movies "art". don't see any blobs, titans and/or FCs on my killboard.... :/ well. some say "suicide killing miners in high-sec is a pvp"..... who knows?
Galatica789 Autocannons Anonymous 8	Posted - 2012.01.11 15:09:00 - [49] - Quote Bitches cant handle gate guns
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 263	Posted - 2012.01.12 07:42:00 - [50] - Quote Galatica789 wrote: Bitches cant handle gate guns Is that why you (Galatica) are in FW?
Giovanni Auditore Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 4	Posted - 2012.01.12 10:19:00 - [51] - Quote Solo PVP in the null is the best pvp in my opinion, if you can use the maps basic functions, and have a feel for how the Region works.. its the best, this is ofcourse assuming that the region your pvping in IS NOT your home ...
Thea Siirian Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.01.13 02:35:00 - [52] - Quote I know it has detractors, but I still love small - gang warfare in 0.0 in BC and below. All you have is your wits, your ships and your bookmarks. Traps can be used dynamically if you plan ahead just a bit, but they can also turn on you - the variety keeps it fun. If you're not finding 0.0 PVP to your liking you're either in the wrong place, with the wrong people or doing the wrong stuff. Or... PVP just isn't for you. I would agree the small gang is an endangered species in many places in EVE in general.

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